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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 23, 2017 2:45:36 GMT
Delay, yes, but I don't think 5 months was needed.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 2:47:41 GMT
Delay, yes, but I don't think 5 months was needed. 1.09 for me. About two months, right? EA left BioWare tied down on the tracks, in front of the hate train, and has been silent ever since.
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Post by kino on Jul 23, 2017 2:48:24 GMT
Delay, yes, but I don't think 5 months was needed. 1.09 for me. About two months, right? Agreed.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 23, 2017 2:51:16 GMT
Delay, yes, but I don't think 5 months was needed. 1.09 for me. About two months, right? Yes, but they should have delayed. Though I like the game, and have to complete playthroughs and one partial, I've lost interest. I'll need to see some DLC before I pick up play again. Putting out a game that wasn't ready - for whatever reason - was a bad idea. Hopefully EA will learn from this.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jul 23, 2017 2:52:56 GMT
Maybe, but it wouldn't have made it a good game, it would just have solved some technical issues
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 2:53:02 GMT
"If Mass Effect: Andromeda looks a bit rubbish near launch, BioWare will be given a generous amount of time to tidy it up. Mass Effect: Andromeda probably won’t be one of those releases rushed to market in an unfinished state because the publisher wants some quick cash. Hooray! During EA’s financial briefing today, chief financial officer Blake Jorgensen said EA has the necessary financial breathing room to push Mass Effect: Andromeda back considerably." “We’re willing to make moves in launch dates if we feel that it’s necessary to deliver the right player experience. Our guidance assumes that Mass Effect continues to be in this [fiscal] year, but it gives us some flexibility that we might choose to move it either a week or three, or four, or five months if we have to based on what we want to make sure in terms of delivering the right experience to the players,” he said. www.vg247.com/2016/11/02/ea-will-merrily-delay-mass-effect-andromeda-by-as-much-as-5-months-if-it-feels-the-need-because-it-has-the-money-to-do-so/Do you know when those five months would've been used? Or were they used up after all when they pushed back the release to March? I thought Andromeda was due out November 2016, or is that wrong?
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Does it even matter now?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 23, 2017 2:55:51 GMT
"If Mass Effect: Andromeda looks a bit rubbish near launch, BioWare will be given a generous amount of time to tidy it up. Mass Effect: Andromeda probably won’t be one of those releases rushed to market in an unfinished state because the publisher wants some quick cash. Hooray! During EA’s financial briefing today, chief financial officer Blake Jorgensen said EA has the necessary financial breathing room to push Mass Effect: Andromeda back considerably." “We’re willing to make moves in launch dates if we feel that it’s necessary to deliver the right player experience. Our guidance assumes that Mass Effect continues to be in this [fiscal] year, but it gives us some flexibility that we might choose to move it either a week or three, or four, or five months if we have to based on what we want to make sure in terms of delivering the right experience to the players,” he said. www.vg247.com/2016/11/02/ea-will-merrily-delay-mass-effect-andromeda-by-as-much-as-5-months-if-it-feels-the-need-because-it-has-the-money-to-do-so/Do you know when those five months would've been used? Or were they used up after all when they pushed back the release to March? I thought Andromeda was due out November 2016, or is that wrong? "EA currently expects Mass Effect: Andromeda to release before the end of March 2017, and Jorgensen says it’s going very well." The article is referencing the March release date.
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Post by vomder on Jul 23, 2017 3:02:39 GMT
5 months, more like a year
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 3:08:10 GMT
Do you know when those five months would've been used? Or were they used up after all when they pushed back the release to March? I thought Andromeda was due out November 2016, or is that wrong? "EA currently expects Mass Effect: Andromeda to release before the end of March 2017, and Jorgensen says it’s going very well." The article is referencing the March release date. Then the answer is simple: Who made the choice not to wait the five months? ... The complicated ones: How is this going to affect development cycles for the other franchises? Are we going to have let go personnel because we ran over-budget? Will we need to hire more employees to fill in for those that were supposed to fill other roles in five months? Would it be better to release it in March and just expect rainbows? Would it be better to release it in July when there is not a single title worth competing against? Would it be better to just to endure these headaches instead of having to look like incompetent SJWs like YouTube has been saying for the last year? Would it be better to embarrass a studio that has been on shaky ground with fans since EA's acquisition or hold the line for 60 days? If you have investors that are "nervous" about BioWare, then wouldn't it be better to kick that money to the curb and replace them with an investor that has patience? Wouldn't it be better to paint a picture of patience and dedication than displaying a fiesta platter for YouTube's lagging viewership? Wouldn't it be better for Flynn to take the heat in closed door meetings with investors than taking heat globally? Wouldn't have been better to stop and listen to all the departing leads and figure out a better solution than the one presented in March? These are my questions. I don't care how marketing and PR spin this. They're worthless. Unoriginal, ineffective and sleazy enough that would make a jaded porn director blush. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated.
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Polls don't make sense for a question that is obviously rhetorical.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 23, 2017 3:10:00 GMT
A 5-month delay would have had the game release in at least a Patch 1.09 state, and almost certainly better than that as the whole team would have still been working on it, so big yes from me.
I adore MEA and I hate the way it got mauled by the internet, and it just makes me even more sad because I honestly feel all it needed was that one last coat of polish. I know some people have issues with the core story and such, but so much of the backlash and memes and mockery came from basic presentation; animation, character appearances, etc. - all things those extra 5 months could have ironed out.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 23, 2017 4:07:22 GMT
It would have saved the game from all of the memes and jokes pre and post release.
But ultimately if someone had issues with the story, protagonist, squad, tone, sidequests, worlds, etc, no delay would have changed those opinions. The animations have been a curse and at the same time a somewhat of a gift for the game. Because they've lead to this notion of, fix them and the game is fixed. Even with the new trial, they're trying to present the game as if it's totally fine now. Come and try it out now, we've fixed it.
But at its core, the game is what it is. Either you like those core elements or you don't, simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 4:12:47 GMT
What I dislike is that the industry is apparently so competitive that too many games get pushed out the door too early nowadays.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 23, 2017 4:43:27 GMT
Aside from ironing out the bugs, the decisions made early in development, the often bland writing, awful quest design and giant lifeless static words would still be there.
Maybe they could have perfected what already is one amazing combat system, used more music in the game because it really needed, and what usually plays is good, not MET level but good regardless. BioWare created themselves their launch situation. Five years and terrible management got them here. At least the game is still enjoyable, but could have been much much more and GOTY contender in the eyes of many people once again.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 4:57:23 GMT
What I dislike is that the industry is apparently so competitive that too many games get pushed out the door too early nowadays. I was groomed into a pre-order culture by the media and the AAA industry. I didn't care about the red flags real journalists or serious gaming commentators were raising. If it means I'm supporting my studio... in my case, BioWare, then I'm happy to do it. Here's my money. Ya got anything else? I'll buy some of that too. Then the realization sets in after horrible release (Inquisition for PC), Star Wars: Old Republic (F2P after a year.), Mass Effect 3's betrayal of your pick-a-path adventure's eventual conclusion, every f***ing DLC that is vanilla and we know it, the horrible launch of ME2's Cerberus Network fiasco with GameStop, DA2's recycled environments and horrible marketing, everything about EA as we know it... I ain't pre-ordering anything (except BioWare because it's not about EA) because it's a scam. A lazy ploy to induce that one percent junkie that will blow their life savings. That's my perspective and I'm not alone. I'm just the last one in my familiar groups and settings to come to that conclusion. I'm pre-ordering DA4 because I still have hope despite what everyone and their common sense tells them. I still have confidence because of 1.09. Those lower-level developers that everyone called B or C team members or SJWs with no real ability are wrong. F***ING DEAD WRONG. They took a mess that their bosses made and made an eight out of 10 using the Frostbite canvas and re-creating EVERYTHING to meet it's fickle requirements. They took a story that was changed in scope and direction just 18 months from release. They managed to use existing VA material and formed it into a salvageable mess that is still better than ANYTHING that Bethesda, Oblivion, Ubisoft, CDPR (yeah, you too bitches.) and any other AAA publisher has put out in the last five years. F*** BOTW, F*** HZD, F*** it all because it's not a custom protagonist with BioWare running the narrative. They managed to polish a colored stone into a diamond. They patched the game that was a safe, bunt single to a triple. It wasn't a homerun and I guess I'm just coming to the conclusion that may have been the real intent all along. So, yeah... I expect DLC from this same group and I really think it's going to be great. Which is going to be a wonderful lesson that has great results because BioWare isn't stupid. They're smarter than the rest and if you're reading this (pro or con) you know I am motherf***ing right. Those developers that we picked on back in March stayed quiet. They took the abuse (maybe they yelled back, if they did... I deserved it. I'm sorry. I'm learning too from this. I'm only human after all.) and just did what the best professionals do: Get in there, do your job and let the results speak for themselves. They deserve better than this and EA is so dang (insert every filthy insult you can imagine in regards to employee treatment, unethical marketing and strategies and a whole lot more that's extensively documented this past year alone and in every language because BioWare is global in its' audience) that they're confident enough that BioWare would bounce back from this. And they did. Anyone who denies this is really full of garbage. Pick up the mouse or gamepad and tell me that I'm wrong. You won't without tripping over all the old, tired crap that revitalized a lagging YouTube community that's been said ad nauseum. If there is a case of Redemption is to be found: It's here. I can't wait for the DLC. I can't wait to appropriate Suikoden's video for my use. I can't wait to download that DLC and see how much experience these developers gained from all of this. I can't wait to spend money on Anthem rather than Destiny 2 or any other co-op game. I can't wait for Dragon Age 4. I know BioWare has learned from Inquisition's mistakes (it's just how they address them, but they will... guaranteed.) and it's going to kick ass. I'm drooling at the notion right now like I'm Pavlov's dog. Yes, I'm a fan, but a fan despite EA. I know there's an identitiy issue there (okay? that's the SJW conspiracy right there) but that's marketing and PR to address, not some freakazoid like me on the internet. I'm ready for more BioWare. Plain and simple. It will always be good enough to better than the rest. That's not smack-talk, that's fact that I will gladly back up with muscle inside a boxing ring.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 5:06:45 GMT
Maybe, but it wouldn't have made it a good game, it would just have solved some technical issues Disagree. It's a very good game barring the usual story and VA issues. That's all evident in bunches in the first 10 hours... after that... it's really scattered. It was just punctuated by all the dang bugs, broken quests, broken saves (un-f***ing-acceptable) and the reduced options for your protagonist with the CC just exasperated the experience. Throw in side quest that literally dulled me to sleep and yeah... who couldn't see this shit storm coming? Only the ones with blinders on or didn't understand what having a good reputation means. I defer to the latter... after all... it's EA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 5:07:49 GMT
What I dislike is that the industry is apparently so competitive that too many games get pushed out the door too early nowadays. I was groomed into a pre-order culture by the media and the AAA industry. I didn't care about the red flags real journalists or serious gaming commentators were raising. If it means I'm supporting my studio... in my case, BioWare, then I'm happy to do it. Here's my money. Ya got anything else? I'll buy some of that too. Then the realization sets in after horrible release (Inquisition for PC), Star Wars: Old Republic (F2P after a year.), Mass Effect 3's betrayal of your pick-a-path adventure's eventual conclusion, every f***ing DLC that is vanilla and we know it, the horrible launch of ME2's Cerberus Network fiasco with GameStop, DA2's recycled environments and horrible marketing, everything about EA as we know it... I ain't pre-ordering anything (except BioWare because it's not about EA) because it's a scam. A lazy ploy to induce that one percent junkie that will blow their life savings. That's my perspective and I'm not alone. I'm just the last one in my familiar groups and settings to come to that conclusion. I'm pre-ordering DA4 because I still have hope despite what everyone and their common sense tells them. I still have confidence because of 1.09. Those lower-level developers that everyone called B or C team members or SJWs with no real ability are wrong. F***ING DEAD WRONG. They took a mess that their bosses made and made an eight out of 10 using the Frostbite canvas and re-creating EVERYTHING to meet it's fickle requirements. They took a story that was changed in scope and direction just 18 months from release. They managed to use existing VA material and formed it into a salvageable mess that is still better than ANYTHING that Bethesda, Oblivion, Ubisoft, CDPR (yeah, you too bitches.) and any other AAA publisher has put out in the last five years. F*** BOTW, F*** HZD, F*** it all because it's not a custom protagonist with BioWare running the narrative. They managed to polish a colored stone into a diamond. They patched the game that was a safe, bunt single to a triple. It wasn't a homerun and I guess I'm just coming to the conclusion that may have been the real intent all along. So, yeah... I expect DLC from this same group and I really think it's going to be great. Which is going to be a wonderful lesson that has great results because BioWare isn't stupid. They're smarter than the rest and if you're reading this (pro or con) you know I am motherf***ing right. Those developers that we picked on back in March stayed quiet. They took the abuse (maybe the yelled back, if they did... I deserved it. I'm sorry. I'm learning too from this. I'm only human after all.) and just did what the best professionals do: Get in there, do your job and let the results speak for themselves. They deserve better than this and EA is so dang (insert every filthy insult you can imagine in regards to employee treatment, unethical marketing and strategies and a whole lot more that's extensively documented this past year alone and in every language because BioWare is global in its' audience) that they're confident enough that BioWare would bounce back from this. And they did. Anyone who denies this is really full of garbage. Pick up the mouse or gamepad and tell me that I'm wrong. You won't without tripping over all the old, tired crap that revitalized a lagging YouTube community that's been said ad nauseum. If there is a case of Redemption is to be found: It's here. I can't wait for the DLC. I can't wait to appropriate Suikoden's video for my use. I can't wait to download that DLC and see how much experience these developers gained from all of this. I can't wait to spend money on Anthem rather than Destiny 2 or any other co-op game. I can't wait for Dragon Age 4. I know BioWare has learned from Inquisition's mistakes (it's just how they address them, but they will... guaranteed.) and it's going to kick ass. I'm drooling at the notion right now like I'm Pavlov's dog. Yes, I'm a fan, but a fan despite EA. I know there's an identitiy issue there (okay? that's the SJW conspiracy right there) but that's marketing and PR to address, not some freakazoid like me on the internet. I'm ready for more BioWare. Plain and simple. It will always be good enough to better than the rest. That's not smack-talk, that's fact that I will gladly back up with muscle inside a boxing ring. griffonclaw, no offense, but please break that up into paragraphs. That's hard on the eyes.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 5:13:07 GMT
I was groomed into a pre-order culture by the media and the AAA industry. I didn't care about the red flags real journalists or serious gaming commentators were raising. If it means I'm supporting my studio... in my case, BioWare, then I'm happy to do it. Here's my money. Ya got anything else? I'll buy some of that too. Then the realization sets in after horrible release (Inquisition for PC), Star Wars: Old Republic (F2P after a year.), Mass Effect 3's betrayal of your pick-a-path adventure's eventual conclusion, every f***ing DLC that is vanilla and we know it, the horrible launch of ME2's Cerberus Network fiasco with GameStop, DA2's recycled environments and horrible marketing, everything about EA as we know it... I ain't pre-ordering anything (except BioWare because it's not about EA) because it's a scam. A lazy ploy to induce that one percent junkie that will blow their life savings. That's my perspective and I'm not alone. I'm just the last one in my familiar groups and settings to come to that conclusion. I'm pre-ordering DA4 because I still have hope despite what everyone and their common sense tells them. I still have confidence because of 1.09. Those lower-level developers that everyone called B or C team members or SJWs with no real ability are wrong. F***ING DEAD WRONG. They took a mess that their bosses made and made an eight out of 10 using the Frostbite canvas and re-creating EVERYTHING to meet it's fickle requirements. They took a story that was changed in scope and direction just 18 months from release. They managed to use existing VA material and formed it into a salvageable mess that is still better than ANYTHING that Bethesda, Oblivion, Ubisoft, CDPR (yeah, you too bitches.) and any other AAA publisher has put out in the last five years. F*** BOTW, F*** HZD, F*** it all because it's not a custom protagonist with BioWare running the narrative. They managed to polish a colored stone into a diamond. They patched the game that was a safe, bunt single to a triple. It wasn't a homerun and I guess I'm just coming to the conclusion that may have been the real intent all along. So, yeah... I expect DLC from this same group and I really think it's going to be great. Which is going to be a wonderful lesson that has great results because BioWare isn't stupid. They're smarter than the rest and if you're reading this (pro or con) you know I am motherf***ing right. Those developers that we picked on back in March stayed quiet. They took the abuse (maybe the yelled back, if they did... I deserved it. I'm sorry. I'm learning too from this. I'm only human after all.) and just did what the best professionals do: Get in there, do your job and let the results speak for themselves. They deserve better than this and EA is so dang (insert every filthy insult you can imagine in regards to employee treatment, unethical marketing and strategies and a whole lot more that's extensively documented this past year alone and in every language because BioWare is global in its' audience) that they're confident enough that BioWare would bounce back from this. And they did. Anyone who denies this is really full of garbage. Pick up the mouse or gamepad and tell me that I'm wrong. You won't without tripping over all the old, tired crap that revitalized a lagging YouTube community that's been said ad nauseum. If there is a case of Redemption is to be found: It's here. I can't wait for the DLC. I can't wait to appropriate Suikoden's video for my use. I can't wait to download that DLC and see how much experience these developers gained from all of this. I can't wait to spend money on Anthem rather than Destiny 2 or any other co-op game. I can't wait for Dragon Age 4. I know BioWare has learned from Inquisition's mistakes (it's just how they address them, but they will... guaranteed.) and it's going to kick ass. I'm drooling at the notion right now like I'm Pavlov's dog. Yes, I'm a fan, but a fan despite EA. I know there's an identitiy issue there (okay? that's the SJW conspiracy right there) but that's marketing and PR to address, not some freakazoid like me on the internet. I'm ready for more BioWare. Plain and simple. It will always be good enough to better than the rest. That's not smack-talk, that's fact that I will gladly back up with muscle inside a boxing ring. griffonclaw, no offense, but please break that up into paragraphs. That's hard on the eyes. Any better?
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Post by anarchy65 on Jul 23, 2017 5:18:52 GMT
Maybe, but it wouldn't have made it a good game, it would just have solved some technical issues Disagree. It's a very good game barring the usual story and VA issues. That's all evident in bunches in the first 10 hours... after that... it's really scattered. It was just punctuated by all the dang bugs, broken quests, broken saves (un-f***ing-acceptable) and the reduced options for your protagonist with the CC just exasperated the experience. Throw in side quest that literally dulled me to sleep and yeah... who couldn't see this shit storm coming? Only the ones with blinders on or didn't understand what having a good reputation means. I defer to the latter... after all... it's EA. Well, I think the game has a lot of problems, that starts very early in character customization. Then it goes to combat, story, characters, exploration (especially exploration!), menu and craft design... All areas have huge failures. Combat is the less problematic area, but still can't hold a candle to the previous games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 5:22:48 GMT
griffonclaw, no offense, but please break that up into paragraphs. That's hard on the eyes. Any better? Whatever. Edit: Never mind, you altered the original post, I didn't catch that.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 23, 2017 5:25:27 GMT
Man, I'm not sure if Cyan is trolling or not, but it gave me a harmless laugh, haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 5:28:29 GMT
What I dislike is that the industry is apparently so competitive that too many games get pushed out the door too early nowadays. I was groomed into a pre-order culture by the media and the AAA industry. I didn't care about the red flags real journalists or serious gaming commentators were raising. If it means I'm supporting my studio... in my case, BioWare, then I'm happy to do it. Here's my money. Ya got anything else? I'll buy some of that too. Then the realization sets in after horrible release (Inquisition for PC), Star Wars: Old Republic (F2P after a year.), Mass Effect 3's betrayal of your pick-a-path adventure's eventual conclusion, every f***ing DLC that is vanilla and we know it, the horrible launch of ME2's Cerberus Network fiasco with GameStop, DA2's recycled environments and horrible marketing, everything about EA as we know it... I ain't pre-ordering anything (except BioWare because it's not about EA) because it's a scam. A lazy ploy to induce that one percent junkie that will blow their life savings. That's my perspective and I'm not alone. I'm just the last one in my familiar groups and settings to come to that conclusion. I'm pre-ordering DA4 because I still have hope despite what everyone and their common sense tells them. I still have confidence because of 1.09. Those lower-level developers that everyone called B or C team members or SJWs with no real ability are wrong. F***ING DEAD WRONG. They took a mess that their bosses made and made an eight out of 10 using the Frostbite canvas and re-creating EVERYTHING to meet it's fickle requirements. They took a story that was changed in scope and direction just 18 months from release. They managed to use existing VA material and formed it into a salvageable mess that is still better than ANYTHING that Bethesda, Oblivion, Ubisoft, CDPR (yeah, you too bitches.) and any other AAA publisher has put out in the last five years. F*** BOTW, F*** HZD, F*** it all because it's not a custom protagonist with BioWare running the narrative. They managed to polish a colored stone into a diamond. They patched the game that was a safe, bunt single to a triple. It wasn't a homerun and I guess I'm just coming to the conclusion that may have been the real intent all along. So, yeah... I expect DLC from this same group and I really think it's going to be great. Which is going to be a wonderful lesson that has great results because BioWare isn't stupid. They're smarter than the rest and if you're reading this (pro or con) you know I am motherf***ing right. Those developers that we picked on back in March stayed quiet. They took the abuse (maybe the yelled back, if they did... I deserved it. I'm sorry. I'm learning too from this. I'm only human after all.) and just did what the best professionals do: Get in there, do your job and let the results speak for themselves. They deserve better than this and EA is so dang (insert every filthy insult you can imagine in regards to employee treatment, unethical marketing and strategies and a whole lot more that's extensively documented this past year alone and in every language because BioWare is global in its' audience) that they're confident enough that BioWare would bounce back from this. And they did. Anyone who denies this is really full of garbage. Pick up the mouse or gamepad and tell me that I'm wrong. You won't without tripping over all the old, tired crap that revitalized a lagging YouTube community that's been said ad nauseum. If there is a case of Redemption is to be found: It's here. I can't wait for the DLC. I can't wait to appropriate Suikoden's video for my use. I can't wait to download that DLC and see how much experience these developers gained from all of this. I can't wait to spend money on Anthem rather than Destiny 2 or any other co-op game. I can't wait for Dragon Age 4. I know BioWare has learned from Inquisition's mistakes (it's just how they address them, but they will... guaranteed.) and it's going to kick ass. I'm drooling at the notion right now like I'm Pavlov's dog. Yes, I'm a fan, but a fan despite EA. I know there's an identitiy issue there (okay? that's the SJW conspiracy right there) but that's marketing and PR to address, not some freakazoid like me on the internet. I'm ready for more BioWare. Plain and simple. It will always be good enough to better than the rest. That's not smack-talk, that's fact that I will gladly back up with muscle inside a boxing ring. I don't preorder at all or buy at release, but that's your decision.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 23, 2017 5:54:56 GMT
I was groomed into a pre-order culture by the media and the AAA industry. I didn't care about the red flags real journalists or serious gaming commentators were raising. If it means I'm supporting my studio... in my case, BioWare, then I'm happy to do it. Here's my money. Ya got anything else? I'll buy some of that too. Then the realization sets in after horrible release (Inquisition for PC), Star Wars: Old Republic (F2P after a year.), Mass Effect 3's betrayal of your pick-a-path adventure's eventual conclusion, every f***ing DLC that is vanilla and we know it, the horrible launch of ME2's Cerberus Network fiasco with GameStop, DA2's recycled environments and horrible marketing, everything about EA as we know it... I ain't pre-ordering anything (except BioWare because it's not about EA) because it's a scam. A lazy ploy to induce that one percent junkie that will blow their life savings. That's my perspective and I'm not alone. I'm just the last one in my familiar groups and settings to come to that conclusion. I'm pre-ordering DA4 because I still have hope despite what everyone and their common sense tells them. I still have confidence because of 1.09. Those lower-level developers that everyone called B or C team members or SJWs with no real ability are wrong. F***ING DEAD WRONG. They took a mess that their bosses made and made an eight out of 10 using the Frostbite canvas and re-creating EVERYTHING to meet it's fickle requirements. They took a story that was changed in scope and direction just 18 months from release. They managed to use existing VA material and formed it into a salvageable mess that is still better than ANYTHING that Bethesda, Oblivion, Ubisoft, CDPR (yeah, you too bitches.) and any other AAA publisher has put out in the last five years. F*** BOTW, F*** HZD, F*** it all because it's not a custom protagonist with BioWare running the narrative. They managed to polish a colored stone into a diamond. They patched the game that was a safe, bunt single to a triple. It wasn't a homerun and I guess I'm just coming to the conclusion that may have been the real intent all along. So, yeah... I expect DLC from this same group and I really think it's going to be great. Which is going to be a wonderful lesson that has great results because BioWare isn't stupid. They're smarter than the rest and if you're reading this (pro or con) you know I am motherf***ing right. Those developers that we picked on back in March stayed quiet. They took the abuse (maybe the yelled back, if they did... I deserved it. I'm sorry. I'm learning too from this. I'm only human after all.) and just did what the best professionals do: Get in there, do your job and let the results speak for themselves. They deserve better than this and EA is so dang (insert every filthy insult you can imagine in regards to employee treatment, unethical marketing and strategies and a whole lot more that's extensively documented this past year alone and in every language because BioWare is global in its' audience) that they're confident enough that BioWare would bounce back from this. And they did. Anyone who denies this is really full of garbage. Pick up the mouse or gamepad and tell me that I'm wrong. You won't without tripping over all the old, tired crap that revitalized a lagging YouTube community that's been said ad nauseum. If there is a case of Redemption is to be found: It's here. I can't wait for the DLC. I can't wait to appropriate Suikoden's video for my use. I can't wait to download that DLC and see how much experience these developers gained from all of this. I can't wait to spend money on Anthem rather than Destiny 2 or any other co-op game. I can't wait for Dragon Age 4. I know BioWare has learned from Inquisition's mistakes (it's just how they address them, but they will... guaranteed.) and it's going to kick ass. I'm drooling at the notion right now like I'm Pavlov's dog. Yes, I'm a fan, but a fan despite EA. I know there's an identitiy issue there (okay? that's the SJW conspiracy right there) but that's marketing and PR to address, not some freakazoid like me on the internet. I'm ready for more BioWare. Plain and simple. It will always be good enough to better than the rest. That's not smack-talk, that's fact that I will gladly back up with muscle inside a boxing ring. I don't preorder at all or buy at release, but that's your decision. And you shouldn't, but I'm a hypocrite. I'm doing it regardless. It's idiotic and I'm sure there is a term for it... I embrace it wholeheartedly. Forgive me if my enthusiasm overcomes my common sense.
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