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Post by Transcended One on Jul 26, 2017 5:09:58 GMT
Batarian Scrapper is definitely top tier. Lolvenger, Agent and probably Huntress are top tier without question. Krogan Merc and TSol are top tier. Insurgent an Operator are great too.
I've tried Kineticist yesterday but failed hard...
I do think the cloakers are a bit boring to play.
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 26, 2017 13:27:46 GMT
Ran 15:08 minute platinum last night (personal fastest): it would have been faster but we had a wave 4 hack.
2x Scrappers, 1x Insurgent (ME), 1x Avenger
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Post by kpeter on Jul 26, 2017 13:32:50 GMT
Turian Soldier only high tier?
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Post by Schreiner on Jul 26, 2017 14:09:12 GMT
I am curious what are everyone's favorite non-UR siphon guns for plat. Besides Shadow, obviously. Of the ones i have, the cyclone, hesh, and thokin have been my go-to siphon weapons. the siphon effect is dramatically more noticeable/useful with higher dps weapons. once i get a hurricane siphon, i will probably never use anything else.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 26, 2017 14:19:51 GMT
You rank the asari sentinel above the asari huntress for platinum? Mind you, energy drain is nice, but it's not going to help much against +1000% enemy melee damage (for example). I also am not sure about some of the rest of that (for example, ranking the kineticist above the huntress). Personally, the huntress is my favorite platinum class (but I imagine I will prefer the avenger once i've accumulated enough avenger veteran ranks). I'd left the huntress out of that list by accident. She's high tier as shown on the fixed list. The Asari Sentinel has an exploit with backlash. When you hold backlash up, entire mobs can stop firing in your direction. If your crew's behind you, they won't get fired at either. Team Energy Drain is a great support tool. She can do a phenomenal amount of damage if backlash is used right as well. She also gets a huge accuracy bonus from tech armor rank 5 (You are moving and shooting a lot in platinum) Huntress had the perk of double throw/double lance in Gold. That went away in platinum (staggering number of armored/shielded foes) and very few red bars. In fact many of the biotics classes took a hit. But, she still has the stealth grid and all its perks. Once the learning curve is met and you've figured out how to carefully manage shields, she's still a high tier class (just not top tier). In any case, both characters require a higher learning curve for platinum and fit their spot in high tier.
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Post by treoir on Jul 26, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
You rank the asari sentinel above the asari huntress for platinum? Mind you, energy drain is nice, but it's not going to help much against +1000% enemy melee damage (for example). I also am not sure about some of the rest of that (for example, ranking the kineticist above the huntress). Personally, the huntress is my favorite platinum class (but I imagine I will prefer the avenger once i've accumulated enough avenger veteran ranks). I'd left the huntress out of that list by accident. She's high tier as shown on the fixed list. The Asari Sentinel has an exploit with backlash. When you hold backlash up, entire mobs can stop firing in your direction. If your crew's behind you, they won't get fired at either. Team Energy Drain is a great support tool. She can do a phenomenal amount of damage if backlash is used right as well. She also gets a huge accuracy bonus from tech armor rank 5 (You are moving and shooting a lot in platinum) Huntress had the perk of double throw/double lance in Gold. That went away in platinum (staggering number of armored/shielded foes) and very few red bars. In fact many of the biotics classes took a hit. But, she still has the stealth grid and all its perks. Once the learning curve is met and you've figured out how to carefully manage shields, she's still a high tier class (just not top tier). In any case, both characters require a higher learning curve for platinum and fit their spot in high tier. Also: two short cooldown combo detonators.
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Post by Schreiner on Jul 26, 2017 14:31:35 GMT
if we're talking just platinum games, you would probably want to rank the characters based on their role.
the avenger is probably the best and safest objective carry character with high burst damage output from stickies the batarian scrapper is far and away the best armor killer with snap freeze and anti-armor flaks and/or concussive shots the human adept is the best score whore the operator is the best all-around support with solid enemy debuffs and shield boost the human soldier is (imo) the best pure damage kit as it can take full advantage of both the weapon variants and veteran bonuses as well as arguably the best defensive perk in the game (hold the line)
and then there are a huge handful of kits that are almost as effective as the above, e.g. turian soldier as a more durable pure dps instead of human soldier, asari huntress as objective carry, human engineer for armor debuff. and then there are a few kits that are simply mediocre on plat, like the exemplar or gladiator. good players can make any kit work, but those few bottom tier kits are just a slightly more uphill battle.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 26, 2017 15:13:12 GMT
Turian Soldier only high tier? Yep, top tier on gold, high tier on platinum. REASON: Scored poorly on other weighting criteria (besides DPS) such as team support. You can throw out as much DPS as you want, but, without team synergy, you' still a li'l worm on platinum son.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 26, 2017 15:29:25 GMT
if we're talking just platinum games, you would probably want to rank the characters based on their role. the avenger is probably the best and safest objective carry character with high burst damage output from stickies the batarian scrapper is far and away the best armor killer with snap freeze and anti-armor flaks and/or concussive shots the human adept is the best score whore the operator is the best all-around support with solid enemy debuffs and shield boost the human soldier is (imo) the best pure damage kit as it can take full advantage of both the weapon variants and veteran bonuses as well as arguably the best defensive perk in the game (hold the line) and then there are a huge handful of kits that are almost as effective as the above, e.g. turian soldier as a more durable pure dps instead of human soldier, asari huntress as objective carry, human engineer for armor debuff. and then there are a few kits that are simply mediocre on plat, like the exemplar or gladiator. good players can make any kit work, but those few bottom tier kits are just a slightly more uphill battle. It would be incorrect to block off characters into different roles as they are required to be way more versatile in platinum. Character position in the tiers is dependant on 3 categories--> DPS, SURVIVABILITY & TEAM SUPPORT. In fact, survivability and team support rank a bit higher than pure DPS. If you think the Exemplar is "simply mediocre" for platinum, you probably don't understand his niches and play with pugs only. Guaranteed success on platinum requires a friends list and a mic (com channel).
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Post by Schreiner on Jul 26, 2017 16:08:45 GMT
if we're talking just platinum games, you would probably want to rank the characters based on their role. the avenger is probably the best and safest objective carry character with high burst damage output from stickies the batarian scrapper is far and away the best armor killer with snap freeze and anti-armor flaks and/or concussive shots the human adept is the best score whore the operator is the best all-around support with solid enemy debuffs and shield boost the human soldier is (imo) the best pure damage kit as it can take full advantage of both the weapon variants and veteran bonuses as well as arguably the best defensive perk in the game (hold the line) and then there are a huge handful of kits that are almost as effective as the above, e.g. turian soldier as a more durable pure dps instead of human soldier, asari huntress as objective carry, human engineer for armor debuff. and then there are a few kits that are simply mediocre on plat, like the exemplar or gladiator. good players can make any kit work, but those few bottom tier kits are just a slightly more uphill battle. It would be incorrect to block off characters into different roles as they are required to be way more versatile in platinum. Character position in the tiers is dependant on 3 categories--> DPS, SURVIVABILITY & TEAM SUPPORT. In fact, survivability and team support rank a bit higher than pure DPS. If you think the Exemplar is "simply mediocre" for platinum, you probably don't understand his niches and play with pugs only. Guaranteed success on platinum requires a friends list and a mic (com channel). i would say 50% of my plat games are with 1-2 friends and 1-2 pugs, and i fully pug maybe 20-25% of the time. and i pretty much following these rules when picking my kit: 1. If there is no stealth grid, i play avenger 2. if there is another stealth grid and no debuff support (batbro, operator, human engineer), i play batbro 3. if there is another stealth grid and debuff support, i play whatever pure dps kit i'm the mood for. usually hsol, tsol, kromerc, or thavoc, 4. if everyone else is stealth (avenger/huntress/inf) i either leave the lobby or play avenger
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Post by megawug on Jul 26, 2017 16:11:21 GMT
I think we should get off this "tier list" thing, and instead actually go through the merits/strengths/weaknesses of each character (on platinum). There also hasn't been much discussion about weapon choices and character ranks, and how that affects the various builds. And some characters I'm simply better at playing, regardless of the meta.
Also, team composition in platinum is more role-based. Do you use 4 heavily armored toons, or use a couple of tanks to help the casters, or use stealth/healer, etc.
I have one tip to see if a kit is ready for platinum: go head-to-head with berserkers (i.e. more than one) on gold. If you can handle it, then it should be good to go. I prefer to test different builds and play styles on gold... platinum is too frantic.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 26, 2017 17:59:12 GMT
I think we should get off this "tier list" thing, and instead actually go through the merits/strengths/weaknesses of each character (on platinum). There also hasn't been much discussion about weapon choices and character ranks, and how that affects the various builds. And some characters I'm simply better at playing, regardless of the meta. Also, team composition in platinum is more role-based. Do you use 4 heavily armored toons, or use a couple of tanks to help the casters, or use stealth/healer, etc. I have one tip to see if a kit is ready for platinum: go head-to-head with berserkers (i.e. more than one) on gold. If you can handle it, then it should be good to go. I prefer to test different builds and play styles on gold... platinum is too frantic.You can go head to head with beserker twins (no problemo) on gold with a Asari Adept, human vangaurd, Krogan Gladiator, etc, easily. That might give you the confidence that you're good to go for platinum. But, the twins or triplets or anything else may manhandle you in so many different ways and turn you into pulp on platinum. Be careful with that tip of yours
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Post by megawug on Jul 26, 2017 18:41:16 GMT
You can go head to head with beserker twins (no problemo) on gold with a Asari Adept, human vangaurd, Krogan Gladiator, etc, easily. That might give you the confidence that you're good to go for platinum. But, the twins or triplets or anything else may manhandle you in so many different ways and turn you into pulp on platinum. Be careful with that tip of yours The idea is more along the lines of: If the kit has trouble with berserkers on gold, you won't be able to handle platinum. I'm gonna try the AA in platinum next. The HA required quite a bit of fine-tuning, but she's now okay in platinum, so I think the AA can be made to work. Practised with the Duelist on gold against armor and bosses, and she plays exactly the same on platinum (but needing an extra revive or two). Kroglad... I dunno. I'm hoping someone can figure out a viable platinum strategy. Mostly shoot things with the Dhan and melee whatever gets too close?
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Post by kpeter on Jul 27, 2017 8:06:11 GMT
Turian Soldier only high tier? Yep, top tier on gold, high tier on platinum. REASON: Scored poorly on other weighting criteria (besides DPS) such as team support. You can throw out as much DPS as you want, but, without team synergy, you' still a li'l worm on platinum son. Oh boy. TSol has a lot more utility, then just throwing down high dps. I can rush in the middle of tons of enemies lure them together and stun the shit out of them with a well timed fortify purge, priming all for tech combo. I can do the same to save teammates that are surrounded or flattened. He might not as good with revives as cloak/stealth grid characters, but comes very close. With fortify i can almost constantly stun and prime group of enemies for tech combos for my team, and if no one is around to detonate, i can either 1. escape, 2. finish a complete group with my frag grenades if they are clumped up together, or 3. stun them again. Because by the time the stun effect wears off, the cooldown of fortify is almost finished. I can literally survive on my own with my TSOL and draw all enemies away from hack objectives with my TSOL. Not even mentioning his high weight capacity, so i can literally carry almost what i want, and on top of that his turbocharge. Try a turbocharged hurricane... Few days ago i had a spree of 10 successfully plat extraction with it. If this character is not top tier, i don't know what is. It's one thing to dislike certain kits, because in the end it always comes down to personal preferance. But if you create such thread that is read by many, you have some kind of responsibility not to give false/bad advice.
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Post by thelostturian on Jul 27, 2017 8:19:56 GMT
Turian Soldier only high tier? Yep, top tier on gold, high tier on platinum. REASON: Scored poorly on other weighting criteria (besides DPS) such as team support. You can throw out as much DPS as you want, but, without team synergy, you' still a li'l worm on platinum son. Killing the enemies fast is the best team support. Besides that TSol has sutained fire and unmatched tankiness.
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Post by t41rdeye on Jul 27, 2017 11:19:53 GMT
I am curious what are everyone's favorite non-UR siphon guns for plat. Besides Shadow, obviously. Raptor and Cyclone are my personal favorites right now. Combined with even rank 1 turbocharge they put out shocking dps for uncommons (and are easy to rank up to X) Will get back to you in 27 years when I get all the rare siphons to X.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 27, 2017 11:22:29 GMT
What about a list of kits, powers and weapons which are currently not really effective on Platinum?
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Post by t41rdeye on Jul 27, 2017 11:28:17 GMT
What about a list of kits, powers and weapons which are currently not really Platinum-viable? Assault turret is pretty ineffectual, it's only redeeming quality on plat would be the rank 6 cryo ammo armour debuff. I'm skeptical of how reliable that even is tho. Sandstorm, halberd, carnifex, and others are all pretty useless no matter the kit. Everything else is "viable" but effectiveness is a whole other thing.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 27, 2017 11:31:29 GMT
What about a list of kits, powers and weapons which are currently not really Platinum-viable? Assault turret is pretty ineffectual, it's only redeeming quality on plat would be the rank 6 cryo ammo armour debuff. I'm skeptical of how reliable that even is tho. Sandstorm, halberd, carnifex, and others are all pretty useless no matter the kit. Everything else is "viable" but effectiveness is a whole other thing.Good call, I changed my post accordingly.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 27, 2017 12:27:19 GMT
Trash-tier weapons are trash-tier on every difficulty. I suppose that is exacerbated on Platinum.
Assault Turret is terrible but you should never be putting more than 1 point into it anyway, so no change from Gold to Platinum there.
What about Cryo Beam? On Gold it's awesome, but on Platinum can you stand up long enough to get good use out of it? Admittedly I've been too scared to try the Human Engineer. Would enjoy seeing some video of a well played HumEng on Plat.
Krogan Gladiator... I'm sure you can get some utility out of Pull + melee, but running around with her isn't going to work like it does on Gold. Ergo she is less effective on Platinum.
Krogan Vanguard, same thing, you can do some short-range charges but you're not going to be a murderball like on Gold. Ergo less effective.
Human Vanguard can be played as a powers class anyway so he seems less affected by the jump to Platinum than the Kroguard.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 27, 2017 15:38:39 GMT
Yep, top tier on gold, high tier on platinum. REASON: Scored poorly on other weighting criteria (besides DPS) such as team support. You can throw out as much DPS as you want, but, without team synergy, you' still a li'l worm on platinum son. Oh boy. TSol has a lot more utility, then just throwing down high dps. I can rush in the middle of tons of enemies lure them together and stun the shit out of them with a well timed fortify purge, priming all for tech combo. I can do the same to save teammates that are surrounded or flattened. He might not as good with revives as cloak/stealth grid characters, but comes very close. With fortify i can almost constantly stun and prime group of enemies for tech combos for my team, and if no one is around to detonate, i can either 1. escape, 2. finish a complete group with my frag grenades if they are clumped up together, or 3. stun them again. Because by the time the stun effect wears off, the cooldown of fortify is almost finished. I can literally survive on my own with my TSOL and draw all enemies away from hack objectives with my TSOL. Not even mentioning his high weight capacity, so i can literally carry almost what i want, and on top of that his turbocharge. Try a turbocharged hurricane... Few days ago i had a spree of 10 successfully plat extraction with it. If this character is not top tier, i don't know what is. It's one thing to dislike certain kits, because in the end it always comes down to personal preferance. But if you create such thread that is read by many, you have some kind of responsibility not to give false/bad advice. The utility of sustained fire is mostly linked to one enemy at a time. This whole group stun with fortify purge as you revive teammates, ahem, Don't push your imagination too much... The minute you purged your tech armor on platinum, you were probably lying there flattened out with your flattened out teammate. LOL,,,,, What's your build again?
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 27, 2017 15:51:16 GMT
Trash-tier weapons are trash-tier on every difficulty. I suppose that is exacerbated on Platinum. Assault Turret is terrible but you should never be putting more than 1 point into it anyway, so no change from Gold to Platinum there. What about Cryo Beam? On Gold it's awesome, but on Platinum can you stand up long enough to get good use out of it? Admittedly I've been too scared to try the Human Engineer. Would enjoy seeing some video of a well played HumEng on Plat. Krogan Gladiator... I'm sure you can get some utility out of Pull + melee, but running around with her isn't going to work like it does on Gold. Ergo she is less effective on Platinum. Krogan Vanguard, same thing, you can do some short-range charges but you're not going to be a murderball like on Gold. Ergo less effective. Human Vanguard can be played as a powers class anyway so he seems less affected by the jump to Platinum than the Kroguard. Assault turret is terrible?!?! Its the single power that makes the human engineer and the angara insurgent high tier on platinum. With the expanded omni-link radius post patch 1.09 and the cryo debuff (rank 6), it is an excellent power. CryoBeam needs to be specced for cryotrap (experiment with cryo trap mechanics) and full armor debuff. The squishy li'l engineer can defend himself against entire mobs by his placement, assault turret and cryotrap in platinum. (Never pick a character with assault turret if you're not the host however). Guess i should post a video of the squishy li'l girl taking down two beserkers and a behemoth. GIT GUD!! P.S. Gladiator is platinum trash. Krogaurd does better as a weapon/power focused build and tactical use of tech armor. You can't be meleeing around like on gold, but he can definitely squeeze into high tier in the right hands. Human Vangaurd is midtier, too squishy without rage an tech armor.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 28, 2017 18:35:07 GMT
Trash-tier weapons are trash-tier on every difficulty. I suppose that is exacerbated on Platinum. Assault Turret is terrible but you should never be putting more than 1 point into it anyway, so no change from Gold to Platinum there. What about Cryo Beam? On Gold it's awesome, but on Platinum can you stand up long enough to get good use out of it? Admittedly I've been too scared to try the Human Engineer. Would enjoy seeing some video of a well played HumEng on Plat. Krogan Gladiator... I'm sure you can get some utility out of Pull + melee, but running around with her isn't going to work like it does on Gold. Ergo she is less effective on Platinum. Krogan Vanguard, same thing, you can do some short-range charges but you're not going to be a murderball like on Gold. Ergo less effective. Human Vanguard can be played as a powers class anyway so he seems less affected by the jump to Platinum than the Kroguard. Human Kineticist: her usefulness is too situational on Platinum, and Pull+Throw gets you killed while trying to *Pull* it off. It's quite hard to maintain Ascension. But maybe I should just git gut.
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Post by seductivewizard on Jul 30, 2017 19:43:50 GMT
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Human vangaurd, Human Adept and krogan engineer moved up to high tier.
Krogan Gladiator moved up to mid-tier.
Human kineticist remains low tier platinum trash.
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