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Post by guanxi on Jul 29, 2017 9:05:40 GMT
I wouldn't take any of them with the possible exception of Drack over Grunt who was just a token krogan because he's the only one with a modicum of personality albeit very much derivative of Wrex. They're all half assed reworked versions of existing characters to some degree. PeeBee is more like the worse traits of Jack and Liara rolled into one weird irritating little package.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 10:11:28 GMT
I wouldn't take any of them with the possible exception of Drack over Grunt who was just a token krogan because he's the only one with a modicum of personality albeit very much derivative of Wrex. They're all half assed reworked versions of existing characters to some degree. PeeBee is more like the worse traits of Jack and Liara rolled into one weird irritating little package. PeeBee is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Peebee is enthusiastic and flirty but definitely not a virginal, love-struck school-girl and for most of the game, she's not wanting a permanent attachment with Ryder. The focus of her research is to apply what she's learning to do something no one has done before. Even though she was hurt by her previous lover, she's not seeking revenge and she openly sighs with the comment "So much violence" when engaged in battle is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Jack is a tortured soul who is obsessed with violence and seeking revenge on Cerberus and Liara had an instant crush on Shepard and is obsessed with forging a permanent and exclusive relationship with him. Her research is focused on revealing the truth about the past, not about applying the tech she finds in new and innovative ways. I agree that Drack is very much like an aged version of Wrex in many ways; but Drack is also portrayed as being a caring grandfather to Kesh; whereas as Wrex never expressed any concern or care for his family... even after hooking up with Eve in ME3. The dialogue you have with Wrex during the Citadel DLC is about him just running around mating with numerous females... making babies rather than caring for them. Drack's dialogues are truly about caring for Kesh and being deeply involved in her growing up. This depth of "family" aspect in the Krogan in general is something new in ME:A. Vetra gives us a first glimpse of Turian society and family life from a female perspective. While she has some issues related to her father, she certainly does not have Miranda's notions about perfection. She's also very much into wrangling back-room deals to garner the supplies necessary for the Tempest. I don't recall anyone who filled that role on the Normandy. Steve was the procurement officer... but he seems to have done everything completely above board. Maybe you could go back to the Requisitions Officer in ME1... but he was hardly given any personality (you only had one short conversation that was merely an info-dump about the purchasing licenses. While Kallo's personality is not as developed as others, it is absolutely clear that he is nothing like Mordin nor is he anything like Joker or Steve either. I'm curious... who exactly would you say from the old Trilogy he is a "half-assed reworked version" of?
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Post by mordingrimes on Jul 29, 2017 11:13:37 GMT
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Post by guanxi on Jul 29, 2017 13:40:07 GMT
I wouldn't take any of them with the possible exception of Drack over Grunt who was just a token krogan because he's the only one with a modicum of personality albeit very much derivative of Wrex. They're all half assed reworked versions of existing characters to some degree. PeeBee is more like the worse traits of Jack and Liara rolled into one weird irritating little package. PeeBee is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Peebee is enthusiastic and flirty but definitely not a virginal, love-struck school-girl and for most of the game, she's not wanting a permanent attachment with Ryder. The focus of her research is to apply what she's learning to do something no one has done before. Even though she was hurt by her previous lover, she's not seeking revenge and she openly sighs with the comment "So much violence" when engaged in battle is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Jack is a tortured soul who is obsessed with violence and seeking revenge on Cerberus and Liara had an instant crush on Shepard and is obsessed with forging a permanent and exclusive relationship with him. Her research is focused on revealing the truth about the past, not about applying the tech she finds in new and innovative ways. I agree that Drack is very much like an aged version of Wrex in many ways; but Drack is also portrayed as being a caring grandfather to Kesh; whereas as Wrex never expressed any concern or care for his family... even after hooking up with Eve in ME3. The dialogue you have with Wrex during the Citadel DLC is about him just running around mating with numerous females... making babies rather than caring for them. Drack's dialogues are truly about caring for Kesh and being deeply involved in her growing up. This depth of "family" aspect in the Krogan in general is something new in ME:A. Vetra gives us a first glimpse of Turian society and family life from a female perspective. While she has some issues related to her father, she certainly does not have Miranda's notions about perfection. She's also very much into wrangling back-room deals to garner the supplies necessary for the Tempest. I don't recall anyone who filled that role on the Normandy. Steve was the procurement officer... but he seems to have done everything completely above board. Maybe you could go back to the Requisitions Officer in ME1... but he was hardly given any personality (you only had one short conversation that was merely an info-dump about the purchasing licenses. While Kallo's personality is not as developed as others, it is absolutely clear that he is nothing like Mordin nor is he anything like Joker or Steve either. I'm curious... who exactly would you say from the old Trilogy he is a "half-assed reworked version" of? What reminds me of Jack is just her general demeanor, promiscuity and aloofness. What reminds me of Liara is again aloofness but also her self-obsessed single-minded focus on alien relics as a crutch & substitute at times for more meaningful interaction and characterization. Wrex and Drack for me are like different brands of noble-savage / warrior-poet archetype, Drack is a little off-brand but he gets the job done.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Jul 29, 2017 13:53:02 GMT
Switch Ashley with Cora or Wrex with Drack but I wouldn't do both at the same time for some reason
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Post by clips7 on Jul 29, 2017 14:51:24 GMT
Is this a trick question?..... ....i'm replaying ME2 (after not playing it for over 5 years) and default Shep and crew wipes the floor with Andromeda's entire cast.....opinions of course.... .....i almost forgot how well written those characters are....i wouldn't switch out any of them.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jul 29, 2017 15:09:59 GMT
Honestly can't think of any replacements. The MET cast just clicked really well and I don't see anyone from MEA being able to replace anyone from the MET in a way that it would be an improvement. Same case could be made the other way around. One group is a collection of wacky explorers looking for a place that they can settle and the other is a collection of desperate but determined people trying to save galactic civilization from impending doom.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 16:01:29 GMT
PeeBee is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Peebee is enthusiastic and flirty but definitely not a virginal, love-struck school-girl and for most of the game, she's not wanting a permanent attachment with Ryder. The focus of her research is to apply what she's learning to do something no one has done before. Even though she was hurt by her previous lover, she's not seeking revenge and she openly sighs with the comment "So much violence" when engaged in battle is nothing like either Jack or Liara. Jack is a tortured soul who is obsessed with violence and seeking revenge on Cerberus and Liara had an instant crush on Shepard and is obsessed with forging a permanent and exclusive relationship with him. Her research is focused on revealing the truth about the past, not about applying the tech she finds in new and innovative ways. I agree that Drack is very much like an aged version of Wrex in many ways; but Drack is also portrayed as being a caring grandfather to Kesh; whereas as Wrex never expressed any concern or care for his family... even after hooking up with Eve in ME3. The dialogue you have with Wrex during the Citadel DLC is about him just running around mating with numerous females... making babies rather than caring for them. Drack's dialogues are truly about caring for Kesh and being deeply involved in her growing up. This depth of "family" aspect in the Krogan in general is something new in ME:A. Vetra gives us a first glimpse of Turian society and family life from a female perspective. While she has some issues related to her father, she certainly does not have Miranda's notions about perfection. She's also very much into wrangling back-room deals to garner the supplies necessary for the Tempest. I don't recall anyone who filled that role on the Normandy. Steve was the procurement officer... but he seems to have done everything completely above board. Maybe you could go back to the Requisitions Officer in ME1... but he was hardly given any personality (you only had one short conversation that was merely an info-dump about the purchasing licenses. While Kallo's personality is not as developed as others, it is absolutely clear that he is nothing like Mordin nor is he anything like Joker or Steve either. I'm curious... who exactly would you say from the old Trilogy he is a "half-assed reworked version" of? What reminds me of Jack is just her general demeanor, promiscuity and aloofness. What reminds me of Liara is again aloofness but also her self-obsessed single-minded focus on alien relics as a crutch & substitute at times for more meaningful interaction and characterization. Wrex and Drack for me are like different brands of noble-savage / warrior-poet archetype, Drack is a little off-brand but he gets the job done. Sorry, not seeing that at all. Jack was so angry and would tell Shepard just of F-off. I can't imagine PeeBee ever telling anyone to do that. Even if you save Kalinda and PeeBee ultimately punches her, what comes out of her mouth is "I finally beat you to the punch." Jack threatens Miranda ("Touch me and I will smear the walls with you, bitch." and she even speaks to Shepard in a threatening tone ("You better be straight up with me.") I also don't see PeeBee as having a "self-absorbed, single-mindedness about the Remnant... as a historical object (which is where Liara is at with it). Liara doesn't want to dissect Prothean tech to figure out how it works (even the Crucible... which she really only investigates far enough to determine that it's a weapon before passing the blueprints onto Hackett). PeeBee is much more into figuring out how it works... and there is absolutely nothing Liara-like about PeeBee's scene in the Aya museum where she's been experimenting with Angara alchohols.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 16:10:03 GMT
Peebee is more Diet Sera, only more reckless and less dangerous in combat. Other than the ancient tech/civilization thing there isn't much similarity with Liara. As for Jack…….ehhhhhhh, nah.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2017 16:21:36 GMT
the stowaway and smurfette are similar in one way. Shepard can't say anything bad to Liara, except for that one line in ME1, and Ryder can't get in the stowaway's face for knocking her/him to the ground or putting her/him in danger with the escape pod. Why is that? Is it because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between those two and the main character?
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 29, 2017 18:29:03 GMT
Peebee is more Diet Sera, only more reckless and less dangerous in combat. Other than the ancient tech/civilization thing there isn't much similarity with Liara. As for Jack…….ehhhhhhh, nah. For the longest time, when I first started playing MEA, any time Peebee was on the team, and esp when I would hear her voice...I'd think it was Sera, which would really mess with my mind.
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Post by Guts on Jul 29, 2017 18:34:08 GMT
That's the question. If you could replace an original trilogy character with an Andromeda character, what would that swap be and why? Doesn't have to be same species or just squad mates. Go nuts! Personally I would switch Liara for PeeBee. I enjoyed Liara, especially after she became Shadow Broker, but her growth was kind of out of character, and she fell for Shep so fast as to be embarrassing and awkward. PeeBee's closed-off attitude and gradual acceptance of being on a team is more realistic to Liara's transformation, in my opinion. I would replace Liara T'Soni with Peebee, but it's sort of the opposite of what you described with Liara, I liked Liara in ME1, but her character development sucked. Peebee, on the other hand, had some pretty decent character development, I also liked her sense of humor and found her light years more relatable.
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Post by mannyray on Jul 29, 2017 18:38:21 GMT
It depends on which game I'm playing. If I'm playing MEOT and have to swap out one....uh....Suvi for Kelly Chambers. If I'm playing Andromeda...Edi for Sam. I couldn't honestly think of one until I happened upon Outlaw's post. Chambers was just kinda there. Suvi, while a bundle of pc contradictions, had that lilting scottish accent and lovely gaze that would be a nice change from Chambers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 18:39:16 GMT
the stowaway and smurfette are similar in one way. Shepard can't say anything bad to Liara, except for that one line in ME1, and Ryder can't get in the stowaway's face for knocking her/him to the ground or putting her/him in danger with the escape pod. Why is that? Is it because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between those two and the main character? Just after crashing, she asks if he's mad at her. I'm paraphrasing, but he can say that "mad is the smallest word he would use to describe how he is" and he can tell her that she'll need to work off the cost of the lost shuttle. he also has an opportunity to just shoot her ex-girlfriend right in front of her face.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 29, 2017 18:55:30 GMT
OK, it's a little out there but I'd replace Liara in ME3 with Sara Ryder. Maybe she was guarding the Mars Archives, which is in line with her previous duties. She gets picked up along the way. BUT, I'd also replace Vega will Scott Ryder, who could have been guarding Shepard on Earth. Sort of a huge coincidence to get them both on board but we've had stupid coincidences throughout it all. Oh, and both get to be romances for either Shepard, none of that creepy shit like went down with Vega and FemShep.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2017 18:59:04 GMT
Just after crashing, she asks if he's mad at her. I'm paraphrasing, but he can say that "mad is the smallest word he would use to describe how he is" and he can tell her that she'll need to work off the cost of the lost shuttle. he also has an opportunity to just shoot her ex-girlfriend right in front of her face. So? I shoot her girlfriend regardless. Why can't Ryder get in her face and give her an earful for putting her/him in danger as well as the other squadmate? Why can't I have the option to throw her off my ship? Or better yet, give her to Nexus security for her to explain why she used Initiative property for one of her personal missions while putting the pathfinder in danger?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 19:15:56 GMT
Just after crashing, she asks if he's mad at her. I'm paraphrasing, but he can say that "mad is the smallest word he would use to describe how he is" and he can tell her that she'll need to work off the cost of the lost shuttle. he also has an opportunity to just shoot her ex-girlfriend right in front of her face. So? I shoot her girlfriend regardless. Why can't Ryder get in her face and give her an earful for putting her/him in danger as well as the other squadmate? Why can't I have the option to throw her off my ship? Or better yet, give her to Nexus security for her to explain why she used Initiative property for one of her personal missions while putting the pathfinder in danger? I realize it's not strong enough for you. It never is... but they do allow "some friction" to develop. It's the same reason that I can't have my Ryder walk up to his squeeze in the hubs and give them a quick peck on the cheek. Same reason I have to go through a number of "We'll chat later" conversations before being able to advance the romance.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2017 19:40:21 GMT
I realize it's not strong enough for you. It never is... but they do allow "some friction" to develop. So Ryder saying mad is not the word I would use is causing "some" friction? Yet after getting out of the pod she continues like its an everyday occurrence. No. She has to understand that not everyone is going to accept her crap and that someone may return the favor, but not in the way she would like.
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Post by SKAR on Jul 30, 2017 5:55:18 GMT
Cora instead of kaidan or maybe ashley.
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Post by duckley on Jul 30, 2017 16:19:12 GMT
Cora over Ashley
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jul 30, 2017 23:22:29 GMT
I would trade Kaiden for Cora.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 31, 2017 2:37:37 GMT
Honestly can't think of any replacements. The MET cast just clicked really well and I don't see anyone from MEA being able to replace anyone from the MET in a way that it would be an improvement. Same case could be made the other way around. One group is a collection of wacky explorers looking for a place that they can settle and the other is a collection of desperate but determined people trying to save galactic civilization from impending doom. The problem with changing them over is that ALL of Andromeda's cast is a wacky bunch of explorers, there's practically nothing making each character unique to all the others.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Jul 31, 2017 2:49:21 GMT
Addison with Kaidan.
So I could leave her in Virmire.
If that was the case, I would even learn to mod the game so I could just have a line saying "fuck you, Addison" in the decision moment.
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Post by sugarless on Jul 31, 2017 3:39:28 GMT
I would trade Thane for anyone Jacob and Liam are tied in terms of least appealing squaddie...so no trade there
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 31, 2017 3:48:01 GMT
Vetra in the end, she is the most rounded character next to Drack.
Honestly the cast in Andromeda is good, but somewhat derivative. There is little to them in the end, and I think that was on purpose due to the tonal shift they attempted to make for the game.
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