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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 31, 2017 5:17:38 GMT
Cullen won't be coming back because he could have died in the epilogue depending on player choices.
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Post by Cantina on Jul 31, 2017 7:49:59 GMT
First and foremost any character that was a romance option generally do not make a return as a companion in the next game.
Thus here is a list I created based on my opinion and a general idea of how Bioware is when it comes to a companion.
Morrigan:
Return: Maybe. As an Advisor or cameo.
Companion: No.
Sten/Arishock:
Return: Maybe as a cameo
Companion: No.
Lelianna:
Return: Very possible. Depending on her ending. If the Divine has a part in the next game and she was made Divine, chances seem good you'll meet her. If not made Divine, a cameo since she was in the previous three games.
Companion: No.
Zeveran:
Return: No. Probably mentioned.
Companion: No.
Shale:
Return: Hard to say.
Companion: Maybe.
Wynne:
Return: She's dead.
Oghren:
Return: Unlikely. Between him being a Grey Warden and a Dad. We could bump into his son.
Companion: No.
Alistair:
Return: Maybe. Seeing as he was in the previous three games, I am going to assume his role will be a cameo or an advisor (in some form).
Companion: No.
Loghain:
Return: Unlikely. Unless a caemo calls for a Warden for some reason and he survived Adamant.
Companion: No.
Velanna:
Return: Unlikely.
Companion: No.
Nathanial Howe:
Return: Maybe. If some reason a Grey Warden is needed to join the party (as was done in the previous three games), I can see him making a return. The developers could make a new one, like they did with Blackwall.
Companion: Possible.
Sigrun:
Return: Unlikely. Especially, if you consider the feedback on her was not good.
Companion: No.
Anders:
Return: Unlikely.
Companion: No.
Fenris:
Return: Unlikely. Seeing as its pretty clear we are going to Tevinter we may bump into him for a short period of time.
Companion: No.
Isabella:
Return: Unlikely. She may make a cameo appearance since she was in the previous two games - excluding MP here.
Companion: No.
Aveline:
Return: Unlikely. Unless DA4 allows us to venture in Kirkwall.
Companion: No.
Varric:
Return: Maybe. Again, if we so happen to venture in Kirkwall.
Companion: No.
Merriil:
Return: Maybe. And I do mean maybe. She could appear to offer the new protagonist advice.
Companion: No.
Seabass:
Return: Unlikely.
Companion: No.
Carver/Bethany:
Return: Unlikely
Companion: No.
Blackwall:
Return: Unlikely.
Companion: No.
Sera:
Return: Unlikely.
Companion: No
Iron Bull:
Return: Doubtful. Though he could make an appearance if Dorian was romanced.
Companion: No.
Dorian:
Return: Highly possible. More then likely he'll be an advisor.
Companion: No.
Vivienne:
Return: Unlikely. Only way I see her returning is if she was made Divine.
Companion: No.
Cassandra:
Return: Maybe. In some advisor form. Or if she was made Divine.
Companion: No.
Cullen:
Return: Unlikely. But seeing as to how he was in the previous three games, could be no more then a cameo.
Companion: No.
Josephine:
Return: Unlikely. Unless we venture to Antiva.
Companion: No.
Solas:
Return: Uh. Considering there is a very good chance he is the next game's antagonist, I'd say, yes.
Companion: Uh. No.
Cole:
Return: Maybe.
Companion: Maybe.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 31, 2017 20:14:26 GMT
Why is everyone mentioning Sten? He could be dead. I guess they could do what they did with Leliana but I'm personally not in favor of bringing back dead characters.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 31, 2017 20:26:38 GMT
the guitar player Gamlen the talking man Yvette Lady Elegant the 2 guards that bring the prisoner before the Inquisitor to be judged Harrett bartender in the tavern Hopefully Gamlen and Yvette will be companions.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 31, 2017 20:29:33 GMT
Why is everyone mentioning Sten? He could be dead. I guess they could do what they did with Leliana but I'm personally not in favor of bringing back dead characters. Can he? I could have sworn Sten is one of the characters whose death is never shown or and left in uncertain terms if it's mentioned in the sliders. I think this includes if he's left in his cage in Lothering but I'll have to find the codex to be sure. I remember way back on the old forums this came up in a conversation about Sten becoming the new Arishok. I've found his codex where his fate if left in the cage is mentioned: "If Sten is not rescued from his cage: He remained in his cage to await death, and most likely found it." Sten is never stated to have died and instead is assumed to have died so there's leeway there unlike with Leliana. The choice of words does seem like it could have intentionally been chosen if case Sten needed to make a return.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 1, 2017 0:11:10 GMT
Why is everyone mentioning Sten? He could be dead. I guess they could do what they did with Leliana but I'm personally not in favor of bringing back dead characters. Can he? I could have sworn Sten is one of the characters whose death is never shown or and left in uncertain terms if it's mentioned in the sliders. I think this includes if he's left in his cage in Lothering but I'll have to find the codex to be sure. I remember way back on the old forums this came up in a conversation about Sten becoming the new Arishok. I've found his codex where his fate if left in the cage is mentioned: "If Sten is not rescued from his cage: He remained in his cage to await death, and most likely found it." Sten is never stated to have died and instead is assumed to have died so there's leeway there unlike with Leliana. The choice of words does seem like it could have intentionally been chosen if case Sten needed to make a return. For some reason I remembered you could kill him at some point yourself. This is good news for I would like to see him return as the new Arishok.
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Post by pianishimo on Aug 1, 2017 1:41:47 GMT
Cullen won't be coming back because he could have died in the epilogue depending on player choices. Oh, yes. He could be a lyrium addict. I forgot this fact. So maybe he'll stay safe and sound with my Inquisitor, God bless.
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Post by XJlock on Aug 1, 2017 4:00:26 GMT
In the possibility that she left another piece of herself somewhere in Thedas, I would nominate Flemeth. The more probable choices are Solas, Dorian, Morrigan and the inquisition/former inquisition's liaison.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 1, 2017 5:24:22 GMT
I'd be very surprised if Maevaris isn't a companion
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 1, 2017 5:37:48 GMT
I'd be very surprised if Maevaris isn't a companion Hmm, I am doubtful but would not be surprised if this happened. BioWare has always liked to push the envelope and add some shock value with their games. 15 years ago it was adding openly gay characters to their games. A transgender companion would likely be the next logical step for them... I'm not against it, but wonder how it would impact the franchise. I can only imagine what kind of posts these forums would have to deal with if it was announced.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 5:41:59 GMT
For some reason I remembered you could kill him at some point yourself. This is good news for I would like to see him return as the new Arishok. I remember thinking that myself: I think it's the confrontation at Haven that creates this false memory but I've checked and according to the Wikipedia, Sten can't actually die there. That seems odd given how altercations with other party members usually presented the player with the option of killing said party members. It's part of what lends me to believe that the developers may have been leaving themselves room in case they wanted to bring Sten back later down the line,
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Post by Blaze on Aug 1, 2017 13:50:10 GMT
oghren! \o/
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Post by tacsear on Aug 1, 2017 14:56:20 GMT
I'd be very surprised if Maevaris isn't a companion Hmm, I am doubtful but would not be surprised if this happened. BioWare has always liked to push the envelope and add some shock value with their games. 15 years ago it was adding openly gay characters to their games. A transgender companion would likely be the next logical step for them... I'm not against it, but wonder how it would impact the franchise. I can only imagine what kind of posts these forums would have to deal with if it was announced. If it is done right nobody will say anything. If every word Mae says will be about her being trans, I don't see it going to well but if she is handled like Dorian was it will be ok
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 15:26:47 GMT
If it is done right nobody will say anything. If every word Mae says will be about her being trans, I don't see it going to well but if she is handled like Dorian was it will be ok Oh, there'll definitely be people who'll say something even if it is well-done. I think it's better to say that more people will say something about it if it is poorly done, myself included. Personally, I don't think it'd make sense for Maevaris or any of her inner circle to mention it. I'd rather it be subtle like done through a codex entry or conversation that mentions the scandal it caused. Something of that sort. Implications, hints and insinuations, basically. I definitely do not want a repeat of the Iron Bull outing Krem to the Inquisitor: it didn't make sense for him to do as Krem clearly wasn't happy about it and Bull should have known he wouldn't be, both because of his ability to read people and as Krem's close friend.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 15:33:29 GMT
While I like Maevaris Tilani, I'd rather she not be a companion. I think she'd be best in an advisor role and maybe as a temporary companion that accompanies the protagonist on specific missions. Because of her status as a magister, I feel she'd make it a bit too easy, for the lack of a better word, for the player if she accompanied them on the field for regular missions and general meandering. To put it differently: her status in society would unlock doors where it might have been more interested for the player if their character had been the one to find the right key or right way to lockpick.
As for a romance? I don't know, it could be interesting but I don't know if she'd like to move on to something serious since she still seems in mourning over her late husband and I don't want her to be a romance option just because she'd be the first transgender option. That'd honestly feel like putting her transgenderism before her character and that's just disrespectful both to the character and transgender people, in my opinion.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 1, 2017 15:47:34 GMT
While I like Maevaris Tilani, I'd rather she not be a companion. I think she'd be best in an advisor role and maybe as a temporary companion that accompanies the protagonist on specific missions. Because of her status as a magister, I feel she'd make it a bit too easy, for the lack of a better word, for the player if she accompanied them on the field for regular missions and general meandering. To put it differently: her status in society would unlock doors where it might have been more interested for the player if their character had been the one to find the right key or right way to lockpick. As for a romance? I don't know, it could be interesting but I don't know if she'd like to move on to something serious since she still seems in mourning over her late husband and I don't want her to be a romance option just because she'd be the first transgender option. That'd honestly feel like putting her transgenderism before her character and that's just disrespectful both to the character and transgender people, in my opinion. Not sure we should have advisors as they were in DAI this time around anyway. I definitely don't think we should have 2 from the Lucerni group if Dorian is present too which would be highly prejudicial imo.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 15:54:34 GMT
Not sure we should have advisors as they were in DAI this time around anyway. I definitely don't think we should have 2 from the Lucerni group if Dorian is present too which would be highly prejudicial imo. Eh, I think Dorian and Maevaris have differing opinions on certain matters but I see your point and I suppose a better phrasing I could have used was: "-in the role of an advisor or recurring NPC."
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 1, 2017 17:18:01 GMT
Solas:Return: Uh. Considering there is a very good chance he is the next game's protagonist, I'd say, yes. Companion: Uh. No. I think you meant "antagonist." It would be rather awkward if we played as Solas in DA4. Personally, I only see the inner circle of the Inquisition having a real shot at returning as well as Dorian, since he's from Tevinter. That means the Inquisitor, obviously, Leliana (whether she's Divine or not), and Cullen for sure. Josephine may or may not be out of the picture. Cassandra (whether she's Divine or not and possibly rebuilding the Seekers) will probably also return. I don't think the choice to disband the Inquisition or transform it into the Divine's personal guard is really going to have an impact on these particular characters making an appearance. There's also a chance that Flemeth will return, considering we know who she is now, regardless of her fate at the end of DAI. That could mean Morrigan may appear at some point as well.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 17:45:31 GMT
I think you meant "antagonist." It would be rather awkward if we played as Solas in DA4. Personally, I only see the inner circle of the Inquisition having a real shot at returning as well as Dorian, since he's from Tevinter. That means the Inquisitor, obviously, Leliana (whether she's Divine or not), and Cullen for sure. Josephine may or may not be out of the picture. Cassandra (whether she's Divine or not and possibly rebuilding the Seekers) will probably also return. I don't think the choice to disband the Inquisition or transform it into the Divine's personal guard is really going to have an impact on these particular characters making an appearance. There's also a chance that Flemeth will return, considering we know who she is now, regardless of her fate at the end of DAI. That could mean Morrigan may appear at some point as well. Dorian is almost certainly going to appear since I believe that in each of his possible endings, he always returns to the Tevinter Imperium. It seems like he was deliberately set up to play a part in the next game given its locations. I don't think many of the old advisors would return in person, perhaps in correspondence but not in person. Cullen would be an unnecessary presence as his role was primary to oversee, instruct and lead the armies of the Inquisition and those are not something that could be brought over the border to the Tevinter Imperium. I'd prefer it if Leliana delgates her role to one of her agents as successors, either Harding or *the elven agent whose name escapes me at the moment. This could be even if Leliana is not Divine as she'd be holding down the fort in the southern lands and attempting to track down what agents and traces of Solas remains there. Leliana has already had much time and I think retiring her presence to the south would allow other characters their moments and lessen the determinant content. ' I don't see Cassandra making a personal appearance as I don't think she'd be suited for field work or advising in the Tevinter Imperium. The same with Josephine although for different reasons. Josephine could still use her connections but from a distance and through correspondence. Like Leiliana and Cullen, I consider her role to best retired to the south. I think Flemeth may return but I think she'd be more focused around the Evanuris since it seems implied that she intends to seek revenge on them for the murder of Mythal. I have a theory that she may attempt to sabotage Solas' plan in some way so that the Evanuris will be freed and she can exact her revenge. It could, of course, also be that she's counting on them breaking free without sabotage and that's why she's not really opposing Solas despite the chaos that might be born as a consequence of his goal. I don't quite know about Morrigan but if we turn up in Tevinter and she's somehow managed to endear herself to a magister then I'm calling no so hard. Manipulative as she may be, Morrigan should not be able to effortlessly rise in high society in the Tevinter Imperium. Now Morrigan out of her depth could be interesting to see. Note: *although if she's the elven agent in Trespasser then that wouldn't work since I believe Solas confirms that she's one of his double agents.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 1, 2017 18:02:03 GMT
Dorian is almost certainly going to appear since I believe that in each of his possible endings, he always returns to the Tevinter Imperium. It seems like he was deliberately set up to play a part in the next game given its locations. I don't think many of the old advisors would return in person, perhaps in correspondence but not in person. Cullen would be an unnecessary presence as his role was primary to oversee, instruct and lead the armies of the Inquisition and those are not something that could be brought over the border to the Tevinter Imperium. I'd prefer it if Leliana delgates her role to one of her agents as successors, either Harding or the elf agent whose name escapes me at the moment. This could be even if Leliana is not Divine as she'd be holding down the fort in the southern lands and attempting to track down what agents and traces of Solas remains there. Leliana has already had much time and I think retiring her presence to the south would allow other characters their moments and lessen the determinant content. ' I don't see Cassandra making a personal appearance as I don't think she'd be suited for field work or advising in the Tevinter Imperium. The same with Josephine although for different reasons. Josephine could still use her connections but from a distance and through correspondence. Like Leiliana and Cullen, I consider her role to best retired to the south. I think Flemeth may return but I think she'd be more focused around the Evanuris since it seems implied that she intends to seek revenge on them for the murder of Mythal. I have a theory that she may attempt to sabotage Solas' plan in some way so that the Evanuris will be freed and she can exact her revenge. It could, of course, also be that she's counting on them breaking free without sabotage and that's why she's not really opposing Solas despite the chaos that might be born as a consequence of his goal. I don't quite know about Morrigan but if we turn up in Tevinter and she's somehow managed to endear herself to a magister then I'm calling no so hard. Manipulative as she may be, Morrigan should not be able to effortlessly rise in high society in the Tevinter Imperium. Now Morrigan out of her depth could be interesting to see. Those are all valid points. I think I should point out that I'm not suggesting any of these characters would necessarily be companions, advisors, or play a major role in DA4. I do think, however, that quite a few of them could at least have a cameo appearance. At the very least, I think Solas, Dorian, and the Inquisitor are sure bets. They'll have a role to play in one way, shape or form. I wasn't suggesting Morrigan would plant herself into the Tevinter aristocracy. I was more so getting at the angle that she's starting to sympathize with her mother, and that Morrigan recognizes the threat that Solas is. This is really the first time where Morrigan may be motivated to actually help her mother, instead of trying to run away from her. Not to mention, I couldn't see Morrigan passing up the opportunity to be absent for the revival of all of this ancient elven technology.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 18:08:15 GMT
Those are all valid points. I think I should point out that I'm not suggesting any of these characters would necessarily be companions, advisors, or play a major role in DA4. I do think, however, that quite a few of them could at least have a cameo appearance. At the very least, I think Solas, Dorian, and the Inquisitor are sure bets. They'll have a role to play in one way, shape or form. I wasn't suggesting Morrigan would plant herself into the Tevinter aristocracy. I was more so getting at the angle that she's starting to sympathize with her mother, and that Morrigan recognizes the threat that Solas is. This is really the first time where Morrigan may be motivated to actually help her mother, instead of trying to run away from her. Not to mention, I couldn't see Morrigan passing up the opportunity to be absent for the revival of all of this ancient elven technology. Oh no, I didn't think that you were. That remark was mostly just a manifest of my annoyance with how effortlessly Morrigan handles the Orlesian court. It was set up in one of the sliders in Dragon Age: Origins but I think she should have encountered more obstacles than she did.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 1, 2017 18:14:49 GMT
Oh no, I didn't think that you were. That remark was mostly just a manifest of my annoyance with how effortlessly Morrigan handles the Orlesian court. It was set up in one of the sliders in Dragon Age: Origins but I think she should have encountered more obstacles than she did. Truth be told, I don't believe DAI was meant to suggest how "effortlessly Morrigan handles the Orlesian court." At least, I didn't personally take that away from DAI. She certainly had enemies that did not trust her. If anything, it seemed the curiosity and naivety of Empress Celene was largely responsible for Morrigan's rise. Even so, I will agree in part it's rather strange how an apostate mage essentially has free reign in the palace and the empress' ear.
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Post by rapscallioness on Aug 1, 2017 22:18:55 GMT
Well, unpopular opinion here, but I'd rather not have returning npc's or cameos. I love those guys, but I'm tired of seeing them. Especially as a new PC. I don't like that at all.
More than that, though, I'd like to see more new blood than old.
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cantina
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
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Post by Cantina on Aug 1, 2017 23:05:08 GMT
Solas:Return: Uh. Considering there is a very good chance he is the next game's protagonist, I'd say, yes. Companion: Uh. No. I think you meant "antagonist." It would be rather awkward if we played as Solas in DA4. Yes. Thank you for the correction. At my age, fingers and brain do not work together like they use too. *Fixed* I think you meant "antagonist." It would be rather awkward if we played as Solas in DA4. Personally, I only see the inner circle of the Inquisition having a real shot at returning as well as Dorian, since he's from Tevinter. That means the Inquisitor, obviously, Leliana (whether she's Divine or not), and Cullen for sure. Josephine may or may not be out of the picture. Cassandra (whether she's Divine or not and possibly rebuilding the Seekers) will probably also return. I don't think the choice to disband the Inquisition or transform it into the Divine's personal guard is really going to have an impact on these particular characters making an appearance. There's also a chance that Flemeth will return, considering we know who she is now, regardless of her fate at the end of DAI. That could mean Morrigan may appear at some point as well. Dorian is almost certainly going to appear since I believe that in each of his possible endings, he always returns to the Tevinter Imperium. It seems like he was deliberately set up to play a part in the next game given its locations. I don't think many of the old advisors would return in person, perhaps in correspondence but not in person. Cullen would be an unnecessary presence as his role was primary to oversee, instruct and lead the armies of the Inquisition and those are not something that could be brought over the border to the Tevinter Imperium. I'd prefer it if Leliana delgates her role to one of her agents as successors, either Harding or *the elven agent whose name escapes me at the moment. This could be even if Leliana is not Divine as she'd be holding down the fort in the southern lands and attempting to track down what agents and traces of Solas remains there. Leliana has already had much time and I think retiring her presence to the south would allow other characters their moments and lessen the determinant content. ' I don't see Cassandra making a personal appearance as I don't think she'd be suited for field work or advising in the Tevinter Imperium. The same with Josephine although for different reasons. Josephine could still use her connections but from a distance and through correspondence. Like Leiliana and Cullen, I consider her role to best retired to the south. I think Flemeth may return but I think she'd be more focused around the Evanuris since it seems implied that she intends to seek revenge on them for the murder of Mythal. I have a theory that she may attempt to sabotage Solas' plan in some way so that the Evanuris will be freed and she can exact her revenge. It could, of course, also be that she's counting on them breaking free without sabotage and that's why she's not really opposing Solas despite the chaos that might be born as a consequence of his goal. I don't quite know about Morrigan but if we turn up in Tevinter and she's somehow managed to endear herself to a magister then I'm calling no so hard. Manipulative as she may be, Morrigan should not be able to effortlessly rise in high society in the Tevinter Imperium. Now Morrigan out of her depth could be interesting to see. Note: *although if she's the elven agent in Trespasser then that wouldn't work since I believe Solas confirms that she's one of his double agents. Well, same could be said for Cullen in Inquisition. After the events of Kirkwall, I assumed Cullen would be mentioned. But the writers found a bigger role for him to play. Same could happen for DA4. OR considering how his ending was in DA3, he could be no more then a cameo. I find it a little hard to believe that characters who appeared in the previous three games, do not continue to do so for the rest of the DA games. It could be something as simply bumping into him begging on the streets while you and your party are out and about (if that option was chosen). Oh no, I didn't think that you were. That remark was mostly just a manifest of my annoyance with how effortlessly Morrigan handles the Orlesian court. It was set up in one of the sliders in Dragon Age: Origins but I think she should have encountered more obstacles than she did. Truth be told, I don't believe DAI was meant to suggest how "effortlessly Morrigan handles the Orlesian court." At least, I didn't personally take that away from DAI. She certainly had enemies that did not trust her. If anything, it seemed the curiosity and naivety of Empress Celene was largely responsible for Morrigan's rise. Even so, I will agree in part it's rather strange how an apostate mage essentially has free reign in the palace and the empress' ear.Your Inquisitor asks this question to Lelianna at the palace. Lilly responds, that since the Mage/Templar war broke out, all mages became apostates, but the word has little meaning.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
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boxofscreaming
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 2, 2017 18:23:12 GMT
How about having Solas possibly return as a companion? He surely won't be the final boss, that'd be too obvious. Perhaps we could have a Loghain type situation with him?
I'd be happy to see Josephine again. As a merchant princess she could easily have business in Tevinter.
Shale would be amazing, but would they bring it back? Who knows.
And I know this may be far-fetched, but I'd like to see more of Charade.
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