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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:58:58 GMT
MEA emphasizes raw power over skill and tactics. ME3 allowed a skillful player to play gold, even solo gold, with a squishy low-dmg kit. But MEA combat is just a shitstorm. Hi dmg is a must; and that means better weapons and high ranks. Pretty much the bolded. I think the difference is more that MEA requires different skills - situational awareness, quick movement and timing, constantly reacting. ME3 allowed more deliberate, strategic, tactical play. They could offer different prices to different customers. People would figure it out but WTF are we going to do about it? Not buy stuff? Sure, some will, but if Bioware did their job right the prices for the people who *will* buy will be enticing enough to overcome their distaste. K Mart shoppers MEA players - Apex Team Tango Uniform has just uncovered a cache of 10 Shadow Siphon X weapons, which we will now make available to the highest bidders. You have X days to place your bids in Andromeda Points on hand. Don't miss your chance to save hundreds of hours over multiple months of grinding away to get the weapon you want! Bid early and often! |
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Post by mushroomtagger on Aug 2, 2017 1:42:12 GMT
Last patch stated firmly that they're not going to change the diluted pool. Complaining now is useless, and the only way we can speak and make a point is with our wallets now. Sales must've plummeted after 1.09, hence we got the mail asking politely "how can we milk you for money again?" There's always a way... Instead of removing the items from the loot pool, they could: - Increase UR drop from Premium packs to 50% (even at 75% it wouldn't cover the massive amount of new UR we got in 1.09)
- Always get 2 cards from packs, no more "chances" to get a second one. For example, Basic pack could always have 2 Commons in them
- Increase the amount of boosters we got from packs
- Drop to 250 MF the price for UR characters and weapons
- Reduce the price of all the packs by 50%
There are ways of reducing the amount of time it takes to get everything without removing anything from the loot pool.
Let's face it, the whales will spend money to avoid just about any effort, and I have no problem with that. There's absolutely no need to make the remaining 99% of the player base want to hang themselves with the impossible task of maxing their manifest...
If they really cared about how they milk us, they could have easily set something up in the store. Like all products, when it's new it cost more. You release some new stuff? Put a pack for each rarity that only contains the new stuff and can only be bought with Andromeda points or an absurd amount of credits. After a week, the new stuff trickles down to normal packs, but you keep the special packs up so people can still pay money to get the new stuff without RNG. I know it's a bit frustrating for the rest of the people, but it would catch any people wanting to spend money on the game without having to hamper our chances at getting stuff. How about just good old weapon/gear/characters expansion packs like other games??? Mabe a 2.99 pack just to unlock all base silver character, 3.99 for rare, and 5.99 for ultra-rare. Then at least people can spend little money to actually enjoy MP first. Then you can start grinding to get to level XX for the characters. Same goes for weapon, at least you get to try new things and enjoy MP. RNG is a good business model, don't get me wrong. But Bioware/EA approach to this system is just sad. They missed a huge window of opportunity where a huge player base can afford to get lazy and at least unlock base weapons/characters for us. Instead of turning a lot of people away and stop playing the game bc unlocking stuff takes so long and the game got boring. Further decreasing player base number. Maybe the player base isn't shrinking, maybe I am wrong. But this pricing system is not smart at all if they really really want to make more money. Because I am sure that there's someone out there rich enough, or crazy enough to spend real money to max out the manifest is an extremely small pool. By focusing your pricing model on these people are not a really good bet at all |
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Post by Pearl on Aug 2, 2017 3:31:01 GMT
Interestingly Bioware asked some of these exact questions in an email survey they sent out last week. imgur.com/a/Wj5OxNo guarantees of course but it looks like Bioware may be considering allowing people to spend real money to get guaranteed items. Too little, too late. This is the kind of survey that needs to be sent out within a couple weeks of the game launching, not almost five months after the fact. |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 2, 2017 12:44:04 GMT
Pearl it's never too late to do market research. In fact you should pretty much always being doing it.
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Post by gnperdue on Aug 2, 2017 15:17:36 GMT
Not quite the same ring as "always be closing", but true.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 2, 2017 15:19:25 GMT
If you're not learning, you're about to be passed by those who are.
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Aug 2, 2017 16:27:19 GMT
If you're not learning, you're about to be passed by those who are. LEARNING, n. [1.] The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious. [2.] The kind of ignorance affected by (and affecting) civilized races, as distinguished from Ignorance, the sort of learning incurred by savages. See NONSENSE. |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 2, 2017 17:45:10 GMT
SNARK, n. [1.] What you post on BSN when you are not whining or bragging about your eDong. See NONSENSE.
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Post by Uchimura on Aug 2, 2017 19:14:16 GMT
You could say they're taking one for the team.
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Post by cryosferon on Aug 3, 2017 9:17:56 GMT
also, I was wondering why they didn't introduce the 3 versions in 3 instalments?
Why quadruple (!!!) all weapons IN ONE GO and giving players the feeling they are standing in front of a gigantic RNG wall?
My explanation at that time was that they are shelving the game now and just blow this gigantic pile of new weapons into it, only to leave it to itself then.
I have been buying expert packs recently. A LOT of them.
I kinda knew what it should mean to have all things fourfold - in theory. But now I am just beginning to really grasp how long it will take me to level my desired weapon! It is insane. Not even talking about UR's here!
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Post by 3rdpig on Aug 3, 2017 16:26:49 GMT
At this point I'm more interested in their reasoning for making such a huge dump of new items, most of them worthless, into the game at once instead of in waves over the next 12-18 months. It's truly one of the oddest things I've seen a developer do. I'm guessing that it was forced on Bioware by EA in an attempt to bring in more money (or Bioware did it in an attempt to meet an EA required sales figure).
But I'd still like to hear their logic and reasoning as to why they thought it would work, because I believe it's going to have the exact opposite effect, people will stop spending real money on packs. And I'm also guessing this might be one of the reasons BB left. There's only so much corporate bullshit the average person can take without having to shower every 15 minutes trying to wash it off.
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Post by cryosferon on Aug 3, 2017 22:50:23 GMT
At this point I'm more interested in their reasoning for making such a huge dump of new items, most of them worthless, into the game at once instead of in waves over the next 12-18 months. It's truly one of the oddest things I've seen a developer do. I'm guessing that it was forced on Bioware by EA in an attempt to bring in more money (or Bioware did it in an attempt to meet an EA required sales figure). But I'd still like to hear their logic and reasoning as to why they thought it would work, because I believe it's going to have the exact opposite effect, people will stop spending real money on packs. And I'm also guessing this might be one of the reasons BB left. There's only so much corporate bullshit the average person can take without having to shower every 15 minutes trying to wash it off. yes! but why are you MORE interested in learning that? because basically it's what I said in my last post. and in the OP |
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Post by 3rdpig on Aug 4, 2017 0:06:44 GMT
At this point I'm more interested in their reasoning for making such a huge dump of new items, most of them worthless, into the game at once instead of in waves over the next 12-18 months. It's truly one of the oddest things I've seen a developer do. I'm guessing that it was forced on Bioware by EA in an attempt to bring in more money (or Bioware did it in an attempt to meet an EA required sales figure). But I'd still like to hear their logic and reasoning as to why they thought it would work, because I believe it's going to have the exact opposite effect, people will stop spending real money on packs. And I'm also guessing this might be one of the reasons BB left. There's only so much corporate bullshit the average person can take without having to shower every 15 minutes trying to wash it off. yes! but why are you MORE interested in learning that? because basically it's what I said in my last post. and in the OP You had such a good idea that I felt the need to restate it? Or more likely in my case, my caffeine system had too much blood in it and I'd forgotten what you'd typed.  As to why I'd like to know it's probably because it makes no sense to me. If it's to entice people to buy Andromeda points I think it will have the opposite effect. Same with if they did it so people would keep grinding, it makes me want to grind less, not more. Normally I can put a reason to why developers do things, even if I disagree with them. But this one has me stumped, and my first commercial computer game was Zork, so I've been watching game developers for a while. |
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Post by gnperdue on Aug 4, 2017 2:05:09 GMT
I agree. The way to get people to spend is always leave them hope, and slowly keep moving the goal _just_ beyond their reach. Not crushing them under a heavy boot
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 4, 2017 13:11:57 GMT
Actually the way to get people to spend is to use a lot of different motivational techniques because there are a lot of different kinds of people.
Some (most?) people respond well to the slowly moving goalposts, but a distinct minority of people actually responds well to GIANT QUANTITIES OF STUFF TO BUY, WOOHOO!
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