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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 2, 2017 15:52:16 GMT
Everyone chooses the path they take. If they are being coerced through drugs, manipulation/blackmail. They can either be weak minded and go along or break through it. The point being you make the choice you must live with it. Don't go putting the blame on someone else for something you have decided to do... ***cough*** Liam***cough***. This is what Syd should be viewing:
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Post by qwib on Aug 2, 2017 16:04:08 GMT
Vetra and Syd are really a very typical older and younger sister relationship dynamic. (And btw, it has nothing to do with their background.)
I would see them as a direct reflection of the relationship I have with my sister and also the relationship my cousins have.
The older one wants to baby the younger one and wants to be the leader and the younger one, secretly admiring the older one, will always try to do something stupid, to rebel. But in the end, we all stick together.
It's very complicated.
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Post by KrrKs on Aug 2, 2017 16:05:01 GMT
While I don't think that Sys would have stayed in the MW without Vetra, I also can't believe that Vetra would have gone (or even threatened to go) without Syd. They most likely decided to join the AI together.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2017 17:12:01 GMT
Eventually but I do want to kick him in his nuts for giving away top secret info and nearly getting us killed.
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Post by jasonpogo on Aug 2, 2017 17:13:50 GMT
While I don't think that Sys would have stayed in the MW without Vetra, I also can't believe that Vetra would have gone (or even threatened to go) without Syd. They most likely decided to join the AI together. This. I feel like the game tells you outrite that Vetra and Syd had things rough in the Milkey Way. There was no reason Syd would not also jump at the chance to go with Vetra. But from what we see of their relationship if Syd had flat out refused to go Vetra would have also stayed.
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Post by andurilwielder on Aug 2, 2017 23:56:42 GMT
Another thing that annoys me about Liam is his comment with Vetra about aiming for the head vs for the chest. Vetra comments that its better to aim for the chest even if it takes a couple extra rounds, because you know you hit your target, vs the head because it does more damage. In game, its debatable because hitting the head can down enemies really quickly.
In the Real Life scenario, military personnel always, and I mean ALWAYS aim for the chest. They are trained to aim for that region. Its easier to hit, and can down an enemy just as easily as hitting someone in the head. Sure they die quicker by aiming for the head, but you cant hit the head. Its too small a target. You aim for center of mass. Anyone with military training will confirm this. Its not even debatable, and I don't think anyone in the Bioware Montreal team had any knowledge of formal military training, which is silly, considering the situation of the game.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 3, 2017 1:38:55 GMT
Another thing that annoys me about Liam is his comment with Vetra about aiming for the head vs for the chest. Vetra comments that its better to aim for the chest even if it takes a couple extra rounds, because you know you hit your target, vs the head because it does more damage. In game, its debatable because hitting the head can down enemies really quickly. In the Real Life scenario, military personnel always, and I mean ALWAYS aim for the chest. They are trained to aim for that region. Its easier to hit, and can down an enemy just as easily as hitting someone in the head. Sure they die quicker by aiming for the head, but you cant hit the head. Its too small a target. You aim for center of mass. Anyone with military training will confirm this. Its not even debatable, and I don't think anyone in the Bioware Montreal team had any knowledge of formal military training, which is silly, considering the situation of the game. I'm pretty sure that Mass Effect has typically been an example of BioWare's rather loose interpretation of the military and politics.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 3, 2017 1:48:41 GMT
Maybe next playthrough :amirite: I should be sorry, and I'm not.
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Post by andurilwielder on Aug 3, 2017 2:46:55 GMT
Well, the issue with Vetra and her sister is surprisingly deep. Its just about bringing a kid to andromeda. Its not just about Liam making assumptions. There are underlying issues that complicate the comments and responses of both of them. I think Bioware did a good job with the character dynamics, and the writing. THe fact people feel so strongly one way or the other is testamount to that.
I'm glad that ME:A turned a profit at least. It means there's still some hope, however faint, of a sequel. Butthurt internet dweebs shouldn't kill a fantastic universe. ME as a whole has been impressive and profitable. One bad game doesn't deserve an axe to the series. As long as people learn from their mistakes. ME:A did go through a development hell of sorts. This is a rant that is terribly off topic though.
THis thread is about Vetra and Sid and Liam.
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Post by Seera1024 on Aug 3, 2017 4:03:02 GMT
Another thing that annoys me about Liam is his comment with Vetra about aiming for the head vs for the chest. Vetra comments that its better to aim for the chest even if it takes a couple extra rounds, because you know you hit your target, vs the head because it does more damage. In game, its debatable because hitting the head can down enemies really quickly. In the Real Life scenario, military personnel always, and I mean ALWAYS aim for the chest. They are trained to aim for that region. Its easier to hit, and can down an enemy just as easily as hitting someone in the head. Sure they die quicker by aiming for the head, but you cant hit the head. Its too small a target. You aim for center of mass. Anyone with military training will confirm this. Its not even debatable, and I don't think anyone in the Bioware Montreal team had any knowledge of formal military training, which is silly, considering the situation of the game. I don't recall Liam saying he had military training. So I don't think it's a bad thing for his character that he assumes incorrectly about where to shoot Kett. I'd rather characters have flaws than be all perfect. You can hate a character but love how they're written. I don't have that relationship with Liam, I actually like his character.
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Post by PillarBiter on Aug 3, 2017 6:35:07 GMT
Liam's the douchiest of douches. Why he's even a character is beyond me. Why did he get drafted into andromeda's pathfinder team? Giving his opinion everywhere to anyone without being asked. fan fact , i like him. he is loyal and capable. the very first mission proves than. it's in the narrative. Also he throws some good jokes! like "even the equipment here is out to kill us" I cracked up listening to this loyal. LOYAL? and capable? please. His whole loyalty mission is about how he does everything behind your back and how everybody else has to clean up his mess! and all his 'jokes' are wise cracks. Which gets old really fast once you've decided to not like him.
But then again, I do respect each player's opinion to either like or dislike him. If he floats your boat, all the more power to you. For me, he's Jacob v2.0.
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Post by aslightjump on Aug 3, 2017 8:22:58 GMT
Literally everyone on the Pathfinder team gives their unsolicted opinion about everyone else. Like I said before, the argument that we're debating about started because Vetra gave her unsolicted opinion on Liam's fighting style. And then there's stuff like Cora going after Peebee for not caring enough about the Leusinia or whatever that inane conversation was. I think this is the one Bioware game where the banters actually made me like the characters less. But, on-topic, dragging kids along to Andromeda makes me uncomfortable because there's no real way it can be their decision and it's not the same as moving them a state over. It's a huge, unknown risk. But, realistically, the Initiative would never have been able to get going without allowing families and they need an immediate upcoming labor force to take over. Sid is a teenager, I think this is explicitly stated, so she's more able to give her consent. I would assume she and Vetra had a serious conversation about it before hand. They're close sisters, no reason to assume they wouldn't. I mean, yeah, it's a non-choice, but hopefully one made with discussion. By the way the asari Ark is full of files pointing out several colonist were families travelling together, wonder if Liam also has a bone to pick with them and if he also thinks about the parents he left behind in the Milky Way. Liam has an entire conversation with you about leaving his parents and how he couldn't have left the MW if he had a sibling. Like that's a huge part of the argument between the two, which Liam says later on in the banters, that Vetra's situation made him think about his own and how unhappy he's been with Andromeda.
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Post by andurilwielder on Aug 3, 2017 12:22:18 GMT
Its also possible the human Ark simply didn't allow children along. Note you only hear about children on the Asari Ark. Asari are children for about a hundred years, even after they've physically matured. Note Liara saying how despite being 108, she's considered barely more than a child, even though she has a doctorate in Archaeology. So, that could be specific to the Leusinia.
Also Jacob wasn't someone I hung around a lot, but he was always serious. He was also ex alliance at least, he had a code of ethics, and I liked his loyalty mission quite a bit.
Liam was also a cop, and part of "Heavy Urban Search and Crisis Response (HUS-T1 don't know what the T1 stands for.)
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Post by Serza on Aug 3, 2017 12:54:03 GMT
Liam's the douchiest of douches. Why he's even a character is beyond me. Why did he get drafted into andromeda's pathfinder team? Giving his opinion everywhere to anyone without being asked. fan fact , i like him. he is loyal and capable. the very first mission proves than. it's in the narrative. Also he throws some good jokes! like "even the equipment here is out to kill us" I cracked up listening to this Yes. Loyal. Many people here probably don't even know what loyalty is. Another thing that annoys me about Liam is his comment with Vetra about aiming for the head vs for the chest. Vetra comments that its better to aim for the chest even if it takes a couple extra rounds, because you know you hit your target, vs the head because it does more damage. In game, its debatable because hitting the head can down enemies really quickly. In the Real Life scenario, military personnel always, and I mean ALWAYS aim for the chest. They are trained to aim for that region. Its easier to hit, and can down an enemy just as easily as hitting someone in the head. Sure they die quicker by aiming for the head, but you cant hit the head. Its too small a target. You aim for center of mass. Anyone with military training will confirm this. Its not even debatable, and I don't think anyone in the Bioware Montreal team had any knowledge of formal military training, which is silly, considering the situation of the game. That's actually a great point. Even with protection, impacts will severely inconvenience you, if not outright (big enough rounds) break your ribs and possibly cause internal bleeding. Go large enough, no plate carrier will protect you, because even the stopped bullet will still give all of the energy to your body through the plate. You don't even need military training. It's common sense more than anything, but the level of knowledge to end up with this is not insignificant, and Liam probably doesn't have the knowledge or experience about shooting people.
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Post by eskiya on Aug 4, 2017 13:31:27 GMT
Its also possible the human Ark simply didn't allow children along. Note you only hear about children on the Asari Ark. Asari are children for about a hundred years, even after they've physically matured. Note Liara saying how despite being 108, she's considered barely more than a child, even though she has a doctorate in Archaeology. So, that could be specific to the Leusinia. Also Jacob wasn't someone I hung around a lot, but he was always serious. He was also ex alliance at least, he had a code of ethics, and I liked his loyalty mission quite a bit. Liam was also a cop, and part of "Heavy Urban Search and Crisis Response (HUS-T1 don't know what the T1 stands for.) Kids were allowed for humans. If not on the human Ark, on the Nexus at least. Vetra actually bribes a guy when you first meet her about getting his son out of cryo early. It could also be possible that families were allowed, but only a certain number, or kids needed to be a certain age.
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Post by lynx7386 on Aug 4, 2017 16:15:32 GMT
Its more likely that the children simply haven't been brought out of cryo yet because they have nothing to contribute to initial colonization efforts.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 4, 2017 17:11:50 GMT
I peed on Liams ratty old couch when he wasn't looking and then blamed it on the pet pyjack.
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Post by bshep on Aug 4, 2017 19:14:33 GMT
Its also possible the human Ark simply didn't allow children along. Note you only hear about children on the Asari Ark. Asari are children for about a hundred years, even after they've physically matured. Note Liara saying how despite being 108, she's considered barely more than a child, even though she has a doctorate in Archaeology. So, that could be specific to the Leusinia. Also Jacob wasn't someone I hung around a lot, but he was always serious. He was also ex alliance at least, he had a code of ethics, and I liked his loyalty mission quite a bit. Liam was also a cop, and part of "Heavy Urban Search and Crisis Response (HUS-T1 don't know what the T1 stands for.) Kids were allowed for humans. If not on the human Ark, on the Nexus at least. Vetra actually bribes a guy when you first meet her about getting his son out of cryo early. It could also be possible that families were allowed, but only a certain number, or kids needed to be a certain age. There was nothing against children. Just the adults weren't allowed to procriate until the Andromeda Initiative had enough resources to expand and make sure those born after the arrival didn't die. ps: Someone mentioned asari age above. They aren't kids for one century, more like somewhere between 40-62. Samara mentions Morinth run away at age 40, which was young even by asari standarts, and one Eclipse merc on Illum mentions she is finally outside her parents home after having 62 years. And then there is also Liara who was already a doctor at age 106.
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Post by turianlannister on Aug 4, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
At least Sid is old enough to decide if she wanted to come with Vetra or not, not like the dead turian kid in the escape pods on Elaaden
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Post by duckley on Aug 5, 2017 16:27:52 GMT
Vetra's constant whining about her sister really annoys me. That's why I tend mot to take her with me on missions. Liam is a riot!
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