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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 17:03:09 GMT
I'm waiting for the all-clear signal to go back to work. While I'm doing that, I'm a little bummed to see that the 1080ti I ordered from NewEgg is not going to give me 60fps on Ultra for the 35" Acer 4K monitor I bought. I'm considering cancelling it. It's near 60fps, but that means when it dips in the Nexus and in other places, I'll see the difference. On a 28" monitor that is 4K, I can't tell the difference at all between 4K or 2K except the fps. However, when you look at 2K (curved) and 4K (flat) side by side... there is a noticeable difference in shading, lighting and sharpness. In combat, it's all the same, but out of it... there is a difference.
My questions are this: What is the best approach to mimic a developer's setup at BioWare? Is it 1080ti SLI at 4K on 35" or just going with 1080ti on a 2K (curved)?
Personal perspective: If BioWare uses 28", I'm not bothering with 4K. I can't see the difference between 2K or 4K. All I need for now and future proofing is a single 1080ti. On the 35" monitor, there is no way to get 60fps without going SLI and that's $1600 at 4K. 2K still works fine with a single 1080ti (runs around 100fps from the shop's PC). The CSR here says the new AMD Vega are not as good for what I'm looking for as the 1080ti. I've seen a benchmark with a pair of RX580s on a 35" 4K monitor and it barely got above 55fps. The SLI 1080ti gets about 100fps. It's just obnoxious the price of that. I'm really wanting to keep the 35" monitor because I've lived with Philip(s) Magnavox 20" CRT for over a decade and it's time for it to retire.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2017 17:16:03 GMT
Sli wouldn't necessarily get you there. It's not just the graphics card but the CPU and ram. However I'd have to say that even Bioware may not be able to get 60fps solid unless they have like a Titan GPU.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 2, 2017 18:11:42 GMT
I mentioned it in your thread in the off-topic section yesterday as well, but I'll throw it out here again.
Right now if you're aiming for 60 FPS @ 4k/Ultra there are two cards that can even begin to think about it: the 1080ti and the Titan Xp. The Titan Xp is the more powerful of the two, but it's a very slight increase performance and both tend to be sitting around the 50-55 FPS range in graphically demanding games with spikes down to around ~40 during moments of intense action.
The new Vega cards from AMD look interesting but with a release date of August 14 we wont have proper benchmarks until then. The problem we run into in trying to compare the two is the hardware used in the computer otherwise. We need to see benchmark results from multiple games for the Vega 64(the most powerful card in the Vega series) as well as the 1080ti side by side using the exact same PC hardware other than swapping out the GPU.
Even then if we look at the benchmarks I can find just for the Vega 64, it averaged 55 FPS in Battlefield 1 and since this is marketing material they would naturally have wanted to make it look as good as possible. This suggests that at best you're probably looking at a card that's weaker than the 1080ti in terms of performance.
At this point if you want to hit that sweet 60 FPS mark in 4k and want to maintain it for a decent amount of time I'm still going to advocate waiting to see what Nvidia's Volta based GeForce cards are going to be like, which should be announced in the next couple of months and I imagine a release date in the first half of 2018.
As far as what BioWare is running: I wouldn't be surprised to find SLI 1080ti or Titans on their high end machines that they test the game on. That's not a terribly massive cost to a company making a game with a budget of millions of dollars.
That said they probably have a very wide range of PCs that they run the game on utilizing top end hardware from both Nvidia and AMD, since they need to test the game on more than just 1 setup.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 18:22:16 GMT
I mentioned it in your thread in the off-topic section yesterday as well, but I'll throw it out here again. Right now if you're aiming for 60 FPS @ 4k/Ultra there are two cards that can even begin to think about it: the 1080ti and the Titan Xp. The Titan Xp is the more powerful of the two, but it's a very slight increase performance and both tend to be sitting around the 50-55 FPS range in graphically demanding games with spikes down to around ~40 during moments of intense action. The new Vega cards from AMD look interesting but with a release date of August 14 we wont have proper benchmarks until then. The problem we run into in trying to compare the two is the hardware used in the computer otherwise. We need to see benchmark results from multiple games for the Vega 64(the most powerful card in the Vega series) as well as the 1080ti side by side using the exact same PC hardware other than swapping out the GPU. Even then if we look at the benchmarks I can find just for the Vega 64, it averaged 55 FPS in Battlefield 1 and since this is marketing material they would naturally have wanted to make it look as good as possible. This suggests that at best you're probably looking at a card that's weaker than the 1080ti in terms of performance. At this point if you want to hit that sweet 60 FPS mark in 4k and want to maintain it for a decent amount of time I'm still going to advocate waiting to see what Nvidia's Volta based GeForce cards are going to be like, which should be announced in the next couple of months and I imagine a release date in the first half of 2018. As far as what BioWare is running: I wouldn't be surprised to find SLI 1080ti or Titans on their high end machines that they test the game on. That's not a terribly massive cost to a company making a game with a budget of millions of dollars. That said they probably have a very wide range of PCs that they run the game on utilizing top end hardware from both Nvidia and AMD, since they need to test the game on more than just 1 setup. Okay, I'm cancelling the order. I'm not due back home until November and that's a short stay. I'm done (hopefully) in late January. Either way, I win with patience. $1600 for SLI 1080ti won't be that much when Volta is announced. Then I can merge it with the 7840 on 2066 board and 32GB of 2400 (not oc) RAM
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2017 21:11:05 GMT
I mentioned it in your thread in the off-topic section yesterday as well, but I'll throw it out here again. Right now if you're aiming for 60 FPS @ 4k/Ultra there are two cards that can even begin to think about it: the 1080ti and the Titan Xp. The Titan Xp is the more powerful of the two, but it's a very slight increase performance and both tend to be sitting around the 50-55 FPS range in graphically demanding games with spikes down to around ~40 during moments of intense action. The new Vega cards from AMD look interesting but with a release date of August 14 we wont have proper benchmarks until then. The problem we run into in trying to compare the two is the hardware used in the computer otherwise. We need to see benchmark results from multiple games for the Vega 64(the most powerful card in the Vega series) as well as the 1080ti side by side using the exact same PC hardware other than swapping out the GPU. Even then if we look at the benchmarks I can find just for the Vega 64, it averaged 55 FPS in Battlefield 1 and since this is marketing material they would naturally have wanted to make it look as good as possible. This suggests that at best you're probably looking at a card that's weaker than the 1080ti in terms of performance. At this point if you want to hit that sweet 60 FPS mark in 4k and want to maintain it for a decent amount of time I'm still going to advocate waiting to see what Nvidia's Volta based GeForce cards are going to be like, which should be announced in the next couple of months and I imagine a release date in the first half of 2018. As far as what BioWare is running: I wouldn't be surprised to find SLI 1080ti or Titans on their high end machines that they test the game on. That's not a terribly massive cost to a company making a game with a budget of millions of dollars. That said they probably have a very wide range of PCs that they run the game on utilizing top end hardware from both Nvidia and AMD, since they need to test the game on more than just 1 setup. Okay, I'm cancelling the order. I'm not due back home until November and that's a short stay. I'm done (hopefully) in late January. Either way, I win with patience. $1600 for SLI 1080ti won't be that much when Volta is announced. Then I can merge it with the 7840 on 2066 board and 32GB of 2400 (not oc) RAM You in the service?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 3:46:39 GMT
Okay, I'm cancelling the order. I'm not due back home until November and that's a short stay. I'm done (hopefully) in late January. Either way, I win with patience. $1600 for SLI 1080ti won't be that much when Volta is announced. Then I can merge it with the 7840 on 2066 board and 32GB of 2400 (not oc) RAM You in the service? Not anymore. I was a medic back in the day. Now I'm inspecting wells that are near or within a certain radius of a drill or fracking site. I have to drive out to parts of Texas in a 5-ton pulling a lab trailer with me. There are usually no roads or landmarks. It's all GPS coordinated and I'm pretty much a trained monkey in what I do. It's just where I'm at... I usually have to camp out at these site because they're so freakin' far away from a serviceable road. I sleep in the trailer and play on this rig. I had to come back in because I heard gunfire. I used the satellite phone and drove back to the rancher's home. Turns out it the shooting was legitimate (feral hog hunting on the property) but I have run across lobos, illegal pot growers and wildlife. My favorite are the wasps that make their homes under the monitoring boxes that I have to open. Or the snakes that are telling me to get the hell out of there, but you know... I have a job to do. The worst part of this job... staying at Studio 6 with their lousy wifi and long-term residents. Yo... that's when I'm fearful of my life. I know what a wasp is going to do. I know what a snake is going to do. I know what an illegal pot grower is going to do (nothing, they hide) or the lobos for that matter. Show them to a well and they're all happy. Studio 6... I've seen the pool closed with yellow tape all around it. I've seen the same place I'm in now on the local news. I hate my job, but it pays the bills.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 3:52:18 GMT
I'm waiting for the all-clear signal to go back to work. While I'm doing that, I'm a little bummed to see that the 1080ti I ordered from NewEgg is not going to give me 60fps on Ultra for the 35" Acer 4K monitor I bought. I'm considering cancelling it. It's near 60fps, but that means when it dips in the Nexus and in other places, I'll see the difference. On a 28" monitor that is 4K, I can't tell the difference at all between 4K or 2K except the fps. However, when you look at 2K (curved) and 4K (flat) side by side... there is a noticeable difference in shading, lighting and sharpness. In combat, it's all the same, but out of it... there is a difference. My questions are this: What is the best approach to mimic a developer's setup at BioWare? Is it 1080ti SLI at 4K on 35" or just going with 1080ti on a 2K (curved)? Personal perspective: If BioWare uses 28", I'm not bothering with 4K. I can't see the difference between 2K or 4K. All I need for now and future proofing is a single 1080ti. On the 35" monitor, there is no way to get 60fps without going SLI and that's $1600 at 4K. 2K still works fine with a single 1080ti (runs around 100fps from the shop's PC). The CSR here says the new AMD Vega are not as good for what I'm looking for as the 1080ti. I've seen a benchmark with a pair of RX580s on a 35" 4K monitor and it barely got above 55fps. The SLI 1080ti gets about 100fps. It's just obnoxious the price of that. I'm really wanting to keep the 35" monitor because I've lived with Philip(s) Magnavox 20" CRT for over a decade and it's time for it to retire. What if you capped the FPS at about 32? I'll do that sometimes to get the higher settings. Some engines don't like it though.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 4:02:08 GMT
Not anymore. I was a medic back in the day. Now I'm inspecting wells that are near or within a certain radius of a drill or fracking site. I have to drive out to parts of Texas in a 5-ton pulling a lab trailer with me. There are usually no roads or landmarks. It's all GPS coordinated and I'm pretty much a trained monkey in what I do. It's just where I'm at... I usually have to camp out at these site because they're so freakin' far away from a serviceable road. I sleep in the trailer and play on this rig. I had to come back in because I heard gunfire. I used the satellite phone and drove back to the rancher's home. Turns out it the shooting was legitimate (feral hog hunting on the property) but I have run across lobos, illegal pot growers and wildlife. My favorite are the wasps that make their homes under the monitoring boxes that I have to open. Or the snakes that are telling me to get the hell out of there, but you know... I have a job to do. The worst part of this job... staying at Studio 6 with their lousy wifi and long-term residents. Yo... that's when I'm fearful of my life. I know what a wasp is going to do. I know what a snake is going to do. I know what an illegal pot grower is going to do (nothing, they hide) or the lobos for that matter. Show them to a well and they're all happy. Studio 6... I've seen the pool closed with yellow tape all around it. I've seen the same place I'm in now on the local news. I hate my job, but it pays the bills. Man I feel sorry for you. I'll never complain about my job ( I love it but I meet some of the strangest people) again.Lol. I work at a liquor store but sometimes I'm, barkeep, counselor, friend, sheriff etc.... try telling a drunk they can't buy a can of bud. 😋
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Post by Pearl on Aug 3, 2017 4:06:38 GMT
The new Vega cards from AMD look interesting but with a release date of August 14 we wont have proper benchmarks until then. The problem we run into in trying to compare the two is the hardware used in the computer otherwise. We need to see benchmark results from multiple games for the Vega 64(the most powerful card in the Vega series) as well as the 1080ti side by side using the exact same PC hardware other than swapping out the GPU. Even then if we look at the benchmarks I can find just for the Vega 64, it averaged 55 FPS in Battlefield 1 and since this is marketing material they would naturally have wanted to make it look as good as possible. This suggests that at best you're probably looking at a card that's weaker than the 1080ti in terms of performance. Every official slide from AMD has been comparing Vega 64 against the Fury X and standard 1080. I think it's safe to say that it won't be able to compete with GP102, but again, we won't know for sure until the 14th. Even then, that's just for the reference design, so figure another 10-15% for aftermarket cards whenever those come out. I think it will hold up better over time compared to a 1080, as Radeon cards usually do (gotta love the FineWine), but I fully expect Volta to completely crush it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 3, 2017 4:12:19 GMT
Volta. It is why I am still running my Sabretooth X79 with a 970. Will upgrade the whole shebang for 2nd gen Volta. Until then, my 22" 1650 Sammy is the ride
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 4:14:46 GMT
I'm waiting for the all-clear signal to go back to work. While I'm doing that, I'm a little bummed to see that the 1080ti I ordered from NewEgg is not going to give me 60fps on Ultra for the 35" Acer 4K monitor I bought. I'm considering cancelling it. It's near 60fps, but that means when it dips in the Nexus and in other places, I'll see the difference. On a 28" monitor that is 4K, I can't tell the difference at all between 4K or 2K except the fps. However, when you look at 2K (curved) and 4K (flat) side by side... there is a noticeable difference in shading, lighting and sharpness. In combat, it's all the same, but out of it... there is a difference. My questions are this: What is the best approach to mimic a developer's setup at BioWare? Is it 1080ti SLI at 4K on 35" or just going with 1080ti on a 2K (curved)? Personal perspective: If BioWare uses 28", I'm not bothering with 4K. I can't see the difference between 2K or 4K. All I need for now and future proofing is a single 1080ti. On the 35" monitor, there is no way to get 60fps without going SLI and that's $1600 at 4K. 2K still works fine with a single 1080ti (runs around 100fps from the shop's PC). The CSR here says the new AMD Vega are not as good for what I'm looking for as the 1080ti. I've seen a benchmark with a pair of RX580s on a 35" 4K monitor and it barely got above 55fps. The SLI 1080ti gets about 100fps. It's just obnoxious the price of that. I'm really wanting to keep the 35" monitor because I've lived with Philip(s) Magnavox 20" CRT for over a decade and it's time for it to retire. What if you capped the FPS at about 32? I'll do that sometimes to get the higher settings. Some engines don't like it though. I wouldn't know. Frostbite is a fickle b****. Also, I can see actual differences of 30fps on 4k compared to 60fps. Why? When you hit Eos or the Nexus and the fps drops. It's only going to be more demanding as they keep refining Frostbite so I'm trying to future proof for about five years. 60 months on a rig is good value and I'm old fashioned like that. If I get even more mileage, I'm a happy camper. However, I'm obsessed with seeing what the developers see. The art is incredible. It needs to be seen in it's full glory... at least for me. The artistry and the coding that go hand in hand is more impressive to me than throwing a perfect slider that starts at the hitter's head at release and rotates sharply and land on the black at the knees. That's beauty in motion and I appreciate what BioWare does in this regard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 4:21:13 GMT
What if you capped the FPS at about 32? I'll do that sometimes to get the higher settings. Some engines don't like it though. I wouldn't know. Frostbite is a fickle b****. Also, I can see actual differences of 30fps on 4k compared to 60fps. Why? When you hit Eos or the Nexus and the fps drops. It's only going to be more demanding as they keep refining Frostbite so I'm trying to future proof for about five years. 60 months on a rig is good value and I'm old fashioned like that. If I get even more mileage, I'm a happy camper. However, I'm obsessed with seeing what the developers see. The art is incredible. It needs to be seen in it's full glory... at least for me. The artistry and the coding that go hand in hand is more impressive to me than throwing a perfect slider that starts at the hitter's head at release and rotates sharply and land on the black at the knees. That's beauty in motion and I appreciate what BioWare does in this regard. I'm not familiar with Frostbite. I assume it's efficient, I don't know. Perhaps MEA isn't very will optimized or efficient? Then again I imagine 4k is pretty demanding too. I still game at 1080p.
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Post by Pearl on Aug 3, 2017 4:31:32 GMT
I wouldn't know. Frostbite is a fickle b****. Also, I can see actual differences of 30fps on 4k compared to 60fps. Why? When you hit Eos or the Nexus and the fps drops. It's only going to be more demanding as they keep refining Frostbite so I'm trying to future proof for about five years. 60 months on a rig is good value and I'm old fashioned like that. If I get even more mileage, I'm a happy camper. However, I'm obsessed with seeing what the developers see. The art is incredible. It needs to be seen in it's full glory... at least for me. The artistry and the coding that go hand in hand is more impressive to me than throwing a perfect slider that starts at the hitter's head at release and rotates sharply and land on the black at the knees. That's beauty in motion and I appreciate what BioWare does in this regard. I'm not familiar with Frostbite. I assume it's efficient, I don't know. Perhaps MEA isn't very will optimized or efficient? Then again I imagine 4k is pretty demanding too. I still game at 1080p. Bioware's implementations of Frostbite (Inquisition and Andromeda) have both been pretty badly optimized. Andromeda is more optimized than Inquisition was, but both games still have a number of issues with performance and stability. Other EA subsidiaries like Dice have managed to make it work pretty well, but they are making fundamentally different kinds of games than Bioware, so we don't know if it's a problem with the way Bioware does things, or if the engine just isn't cut out for games like Inquisition and Andromeda. EA will continue to force it on all their subsidiaries though, regardless of any issues it may have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 4:38:24 GMT
I'm not familiar with Frostbite. I assume it's efficient, I don't know. Perhaps MEA isn't very will optimized or efficient? Then again I imagine 4k is pretty demanding too. I still game at 1080p. Bioware's implementations of Frostbite (Inquisition and Andromeda) have both been pretty badly optimized. Andromeda is more optimized than Inquisition was, but both games still have a number of issues with performance and stability. Other EA subsidiaries like Dice have managed to make it work pretty well, but they are making fundamentally different kinds of games than Bioware, so we don't know if it's a problem with the way Bioware does things, or if the engine just isn't cut out for games like Inquisition and Andromeda. EA will continue to force it on all their subsidiaries though, regardless of any issues it may have. Sounds like Bioware are missing some key ingredients and too heavy with the ass.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:12:36 GMT
A 1080ti is a beast of a card. If you don't have any bottlenecks, which I don't think you do, not handling a game well even at 4k is not acceptable. Like Pearl said, very poor optimization on the studio's part. EDIT: Is it installed on a mechanical HD or SSD?
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Post by daiyus on Aug 3, 2017 7:02:22 GMT
Why not just turn down some settings? At 4K you don't need things like AA at all.
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Post by bizantura on Aug 3, 2017 10:43:48 GMT
The ever lasting conundrum. I also want to make the jump from 2k to 4k and it is always the same song. 1 card doesn't cut it and 2 cards are costly. As if cost is the only problem! MEA doesn't even run on crossfire properly and I replaced my two cards with a second-hand fury X. A big problem is also the heat AMD cards produce. Also, SLI and Crossfire are in decline support wise.
That fun technology is always just out of reach for PC players unless you actually can afford a Ferrari. So, mainstream is the way to go and then you wonder why you bought that top graphics card for all that money just to almost cut it but not quite!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 12:55:10 GMT
The ever lasting conundrum. I also want to make the jump from 2k to 4k and it is always the same song. 1 card doesn't cut it and 2 cards are costly. As if cost is the only problem! MEA doesn't even run on crossfire properly and I replaced my two cards with a second-hand fury X. A big problem is also the heat AMD cards produce. Also, SLI and Crossfire are in decline support wise. That fun technology is always just out of reach for PC players unless you actually can afford a Ferrari. So, mainstream is the way to go and then you wonder why you bought that top graphics card for all that money just to almost cut it but not quite! You nailed it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 12:56:06 GMT
Why not just turn down some settings? At 4K you don't need things like AA at all. That's good advice! I wonder what is the optimal load out for 4K?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 13:06:59 GMT
A 1080ti is a beast of a card. If you don't have any bottlenecks, which I don't think you do, not handling a game well even at 4k is not acceptable. Like Pearl said, very poor optimization on the studio's part. EDIT: Is it installed on a mechanical HD or SSD? It's going on the second M.2 2280 512GB WD black. It's only job is to store Frostbite titles. In the shop, it was on a 2.5 Samsung SSD with a water-cooled nVidia 1080ti and it ran consistently at 50 fps (combat, Nexus, Eos) but I know BioWare. Frostbite will be molded but the demand for more power will grow with each title. I'm hoping this rig will last me about six titles on Frostbite. If longer, awesome! I'm not a keeping up with the Jones' kind of guy. I'm just wanting a 4K, Frostbite capable rig. I loathe opening the case because it's pretty much the same thing happens when this 5-ton breaks down: I open the hood, look at the parts and call somebody for help.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 13:15:53 GMT
I wouldn't know. Frostbite is a fickle b****. Also, I can see actual differences of 30fps on 4k compared to 60fps. Why? When you hit Eos or the Nexus and the fps drops. It's only going to be more demanding as they keep refining Frostbite so I'm trying to future proof for about five years. 60 months on a rig is good value and I'm old fashioned like that. If I get even more mileage, I'm a happy camper. However, I'm obsessed with seeing what the developers see. The art is incredible. It needs to be seen in it's full glory... at least for me. The artistry and the coding that go hand in hand is more impressive to me than throwing a perfect slider that starts at the hitter's head at release and rotates sharply and land on the black at the knees. That's beauty in motion and I appreciate what BioWare does in this regard. I'm not familiar with Frostbite. I assume it's efficient, I don't know. Perhaps MEA isn't very will optimized or efficient? Then again I imagine 4k is pretty demanding too. I still game at 1080p. I can't see the difference between 4K/2K/1080 on monitors 24" or smaller. Between 24-28" you still can't see the difference between 4K or 2k but there is a nice improvement. It's when your in the 30s that you notice a very small difference between 4k and 2k now. Who knows how much will change in three years? I don't want to be in that gulf. Buying now is simple: 2k, 28" 1060/RX560. The future: 4k, 35", f***ing $1600 (right now). Going to wait on Volta and hope this rig can get through this winter.
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Post by daiyus on Aug 3, 2017 15:20:57 GMT
Why not just turn down some settings? At 4K you don't need things like AA at all. That's good advice! I wonder what is the optimal load out for 4K? From what I've seen as I don't actually have a 2160p set-up it's just a case of turn AA down incrementally until you either reach the performance you want or wind up with it off; realistically you won't see much of a difference because of the pixel density but AA is the biggest performance hog in modern games. If it's off and you still aren't seeing the performance you want it's the usual case of going through the settings and knocking the big ones down a notch, like shadows.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 15:32:17 GMT
That's good advice! I wonder what is the optimal load out for 4K? From what I've seen as I don't actually have a 2160p set-up it's just a case of turn AA down incrementally until you either reach the performance you want or wind up with it off; realistically you won't see much of a difference because of the pixel density but AA is the biggest performance hog in modern games. If it's off and you still aren't seeing the performance you want it's the usual case of going through the settings and knocking the big ones down a notch, like shadows. Thank you Daiyus. That's good to know. 4K is unknown territory for me. I'm still operating at 720p I think on this 20" CRT. (I know... it's okay if you chortle.)
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Post by daiyus on Aug 3, 2017 15:36:37 GMT
From what I've seen as I don't actually have a 2160p set-up it's just a case of turn AA down incrementally until you either reach the performance you want or wind up with it off; realistically you won't see much of a difference because of the pixel density but AA is the biggest performance hog in modern games. If it's off and you still aren't seeing the performance you want it's the usual case of going through the settings and knocking the big ones down a notch, like shadows. Thank you Daiyus. That's good to know. 4K is unknown territory for me. I'm still operating at 720p I think on this 20" CRT. (I know... it's okay if you chortle.) I won't laugh. Until I found a 40" 1080p TV in a charity shop for £120 three months ago I was running at 720p. Of course my rig can't even run 1080p properly as I've had to slum it on an A10-6800k APU so I'm actually playing Andromeda at minimum settings, 540p while I put money together for my new system. The only reason I know anything is because I spend way too much time doing research and watching videos on things I could never afford...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 15:39:08 GMT
Thank you Daiyus. That's good to know. 4K is unknown territory for me. I'm still operating at 720p I think on this 20" CRT. (I know... it's okay if you chortle.) I won't laugh. Until I found a 40" 1080p TV in a charity shop for £120 three months ago I was running at 720p. Of course my rig can't even run 1080p properly as I've had to slum it on an A10-6800k APU so I'm actually playing Andromeda at minimum settings, 540p while I put money together for my new system. The only reason I know anything is because I spend way too much time doing research and watching videos on things I could never afford... me too, but I can... and thank God for people like you to save me that money. Ignorance is bliss, but costly. Smart allies are priceless.
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