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Post by jloco11 on Aug 3, 2017 13:18:28 GMT
In the Inspect Squad screen, maybe dive down a little deeper into their powers to see how they chose their powers... probably not going to happen since I doubt they will invest the time into adding such an interface, but man that would have been helpful.
Last night PUGing the platinum Apex, we had a Scrapper.....................who never used Snap Freeze! I think he might have used it once or twice, and not even on armored enemies. But the entire game he was firing concussive shots from the back of Paradox. Even without setting it up to debuff, it still beats the hell out of concussive shots! (He was firing flak cannons though)
The Avenger PUG must have invested in Strike, because he was all over the map warping around. At least he did the objectives but backstabbing the Hydras didn't go so well.
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Post by monk on Aug 3, 2017 13:34:43 GMT
Well... I would say "No".
I've been playing my Kineticist for 500 odd hours now. I've gotten so used to her style of play that I could probably pick the strangest combination of evolutions and still rock her equally as well as I run her right now. Anyone looking at the power evolutions wouldn't know how well I play her.
I gather it'll be the same for other character kits.
Sure, certain power sets would be much better, but it's not a guarantee that the player with said power evolution would even use it well or appropriately. So being able to see such evolution list seems nothing more than a tool for players to pick on others with. So again, I would say "No".
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 3, 2017 13:36:37 GMT
This thread title is very misleading.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 3, 2017 13:37:54 GMT
Yeah, that would be cool.
I would also like BIGGER ICONS in the lobby as well as TEXT LABELS (in a readable font size). I don't know which of the blurry circles means what, for Boosters and shit.
Like I want to see if someone has Incendiary Ammo equipped before I decide to bring a Human Engineer, for example.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 3, 2017 13:39:23 GMT
Yes, there's not enough information in the load-out inspector imo. For platinum if I'm looking at a lower APEX player (with a level 5 Equalizer for example) I'd like to know what mods they are using for weapon compensation, what their grenade capacity is to compensate for their lack of DPS and in the case of low rank UR shotgun wielding players what their power recharge speed is ideally because a long recharge speed stops you cloaking and can make you more of a liability than an asset.
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Post by gethadept on Aug 3, 2017 13:50:55 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming...
I don`t think I care about anything I see before game starts.
Serious.
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Post by modusmoriendi on Aug 3, 2017 14:02:33 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming... Meh, that's just me, doing weird shit to pick up challenge points. No need to over-analyse it. Edit: To answer the OP's question: No. Really. No fraking way. Hell, no. Reason: Because everyone can see my crap builds, figure out my Challenge OCD, and kick me out. And that'd be bad.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 3, 2017 14:05:57 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming... I don`t think I care about anything I see before game starts. Serious. You can't really judge somebody on one performance... we all have bad games sometimes, off days, especially if I'm trying something new for the first time or a character that i'm unfamiliar with compared to the ones I have more experience with and tend to do better with. I suck with the Exemplar and don't really like it but I'm pretty decent with the Insurgent.
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Post by gethadept on Aug 3, 2017 14:08:12 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming... I don`t think I care about anything I see before game starts. Serious. You can't really judge somebody on one performance... we all have bad games sometimes, off days, especially if I'm trying something new for the first time or a character that i'm unfamiliar with compared to the ones I have more experience with and tend to do better with. I suck with the Exemplar and don't really like it but I'm pretty decent with the Insurgent. I don`t pass judgement on them. There can be numerous reasons behind it indeed. I am just somewhat disappointed.... because I am usually tired myself when I play this game on week days and want to be carried.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 3, 2017 14:22:58 GMT
You can't really judge somebody on one performance... we all have bad games sometimes, off days, especially if I'm trying something new for the first time or a character that i'm unfamiliar with compared to the ones I have more experience with and tend to do better with. I suck with the Exemplar and don't really like it but I'm pretty decent with the Insurgent. I don`t pass judgement on them. There can be numerous reasons behind it indeed. I am just somewhat disappointed.... because I am usually tired myself when I play this game on week days and want to be carried. We've all been there. Especially when you're expected to carry other people, it's late, you've got maybe 100k credits to go, perhaps trying to do a platinum hack as the designated infiltrator, there's a minute remaining and all it goes sideways because I un-cloack accidently at the most un-opportune moment and now there's two Ascendents and a Fiend and a congo of Blaze Krogans and Hydras sitting in my hack and it's looking like a waste of 20 minutes of everyone's time and I hear Shepard's eternal words in my head... I should go.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 3, 2017 14:24:57 GMT
In the old days that would be when you unloaded all 6 missiles and then started punching a Banshee.
In this game the missiles do nothing and you can't even get synch killed anymore. SMH.
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Post by jloco11 on Aug 3, 2017 14:28:12 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming... Meh, that's just me, doing weird shit to pick up challenge points. No need to over-analyse it. Edit: To answer the OP's question: No. Really. No fraking way. Hell, no. Reason: Because everyone can see my crap builds, figure out my Challenge OCD, and kick me out. And that'd be bad. As someone who grinded all the challenges (guns & powers), I know all about weird builds..... or not using powers to only shoot a crap ass weapon, or only spamming 1 power like Pull (holding enemies and running away from teammates so it does more damage while holding them). But would you do that in Platinum? Would you jump into a Platinum game, with a Gladiator just trying to get Pull or Annihilation field points, knowing that crazy setup means enemies squashing your ass most of the time? Knowing all 4 players need to carry their own weight, and now you're putting more pressure on the other 3 while you work on a sole challenge? Weird loadouts in Gold or lower now = people wouldn't have an issue.....as an FYI, soloing bronze is an excellent way to complete some of the shittiest powers & guns. But coming into Platinum with a crazy loadout? I don't see how that would be fair to the teammates on the 1 difficulty that needs people to actually work together.
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Aug 3, 2017 15:50:51 GMT
After seeing numerous people with Apex 15000 - 20000 play underwhelming... I don`t think I care about anything I see before game starts. Serious. ↑↑↑This 100%, I don't know how some people can perform so poorly. What's odd is I've seen people 15000+ Not even have there rares maxed, using kits with Equalizer V's and on a Uncommon toon that's not even XX. Maybe they level up a bunch of characters and only buy 100K packs I don't know. One of the best dudes I've played with recently was like APEX 2000. I don't trust randoms period I don't give a sh** what there APEX rank is, it be like having faith in randoms in Battlefield that are whatever the max rank happens to be. Doesn't mean there good, just means they play a lot. Not to toot my own horn but I'm not even APEX 10000 yet and I tend to top score majority of the games I play and this is usually as a Human Engineer and I don't even spec into Cryo Beam, and rarely use boosters outside of Platinum. What bothers me more than anything is when we're in jeopardy of failing a wave 4 or 6 objective and people refuse to use consumables, like is using 1 of the probably HUNDREDS of self rezs or Cobras you have stock piled really worth losing out on 20K-50K credits? Especially on Platinum, you guys who don't equip boosters and don't use consumables on Platinum need to stay the f*** out of Platinum.
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Post by 3rdpig on Aug 3, 2017 16:05:17 GMT
I'd rather have a "Mute All" button that remembers my choice for future games.
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Post by modusmoriendi on Aug 3, 2017 20:32:27 GMT
Meh, that's just me, doing weird shit to pick up challenge points. No need to over-analyse it. Edit: To answer the OP's question: No. Really. No fraking way. Hell, no. Reason: Because everyone can see my crap builds, figure out my Challenge OCD, and kick me out. And that'd be bad. As someone who grinded all the challenges (guns & powers), I know all about weird builds..... or not using powers to only shoot a crap ass weapon, or only spamming 1 power like Pull (holding enemies and running away from teammates so it does more damage while holding them). But would you do that in Platinum? Would you jump into a Platinum game, with a Gladiator just trying to get Pull or Annihilation field points, knowing that crazy setup means enemies squashing your ass most of the time? Knowing all 4 players need to carry their own weight, and now you're putting more pressure on the other 3 while you work on a sole challenge? Weird loadouts in Gold or lower now = people wouldn't have an issue.....as an FYI, soloing bronze is an excellent way to complete some of the shittiest powers & guns. But coming into Platinum with a crazy loadout? I don't see how that would be fair to the teammates on the 1 difficulty that needs people to actually work together. You're overthinking... Don't. If I show up In Platinum with a weird kit, it's because I've tested it at a lower level, and found it works well enough to reasonably ensure success, providing others do their part. I.e. at least draw their share of aggro, and cooperate with objectives. I won't be able to carry beyond Gold, however. I play for fun, soloing Bronze is boring. In other words: If you experience failure with me, the culprit is quite likely you, or plain bad luck. Is that unfair?
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Post by jloco11 on Aug 3, 2017 21:10:13 GMT
You're overthinking... Don't. If I show up In Platinum with a weird kit, it's because I've tested it at a lower level, and found it works well enough to reasonably ensure success, providing others do their part. I.e. at least draw their share of aggro, and cooperate with objectives. I won't be able to carry beyond Gold, however. I play for fun, soloing Bronze is boring. In other words: If you experience failure with me, the culprit is quite likely you, or plain bad luck. Is that unfair? Not to be an ass, but you don't see the irony in telling someone THEY'RE overthinking something....... then proceed with a hypothetical scenario of blaming others for a team failure and absolving yourself of potential blame? That's just asking for thinking! Especially when 1 sentence says you can't carry beyond gold with a weird build, but feel blaming you for a failed mission isn't fair because others weren't doing their part. Implying their part is to carry you? Aside from semantics, solo'ing bronze might be boring. But adding potentially 5-10 minutes to Platinum because someone is deciding not to use their best power is potentially boring (but mostly aggravating) to 3 players. Math alone says the 3 players needs outweigh that of the 1 player.
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Post by modusmoriendi on Aug 3, 2017 23:04:57 GMT
You're overthinking... Don't. If I show up In Platinum with a weird kit, it's because I've tested it at a lower level, and found it works well enough to reasonably ensure success, providing others do their part. I.e. at least draw their share of aggro, and cooperate with objectives. I won't be able to carry beyond Gold, however. I play for fun, soloing Bronze is boring. In other words: If you experience failure with me, the culprit is quite likely you, or plain bad luck. Is that unfair? Not to be an ass, but you don't see the irony in telling someone THEY'RE overthinking something....... then proceed with a hypothetical scenario of blaming others for a team failure and absolving yourself of potential blame? That's just asking for thinking! Especially when 1 sentence says you can't carry beyond gold with a weird build, but feel blaming you for a failed mission isn't fair because others weren't doing their part. Implying their part is to carry you? The only situation where someone not being as good as the others is a problem, is when it leads to TPK or failure of objectives. And, yes, if me not carrying your ass through the game leads to failure, that failure is yours. To imply that I expect to be carried, when my second sentence clearly implies otherwise, indeed that the load is shared between all, is, at best, disingenuous. End of story.
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Post by Heroicmass on Aug 3, 2017 23:48:23 GMT
One of the worst players I have played with had an apex rating over 40k and had a hurricae siphon X. He even had the audacity to try and bark orders from the grave. Judging a book by its cover is not a good idea. Not to mention we dont need anything else to slow people down in the lobby.
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Post by onehitparry on Aug 4, 2017 1:57:00 GMT
Yeah, that would be cool. I would also like BIGGER ICONS in the lobby as well as TEXT LABELS (in a readable font size). I don't know which of the blurry circles means what, for Boosters and shit. Like I want to see if someone has Incendiary Ammo equipped before I decide to bring a Human Engineer, for example. Have you tried bifocals? If you're concerned about your appearance, you could use progressive bifocals. My dad has them and you can't even tell he's old (by looking at his glasses).
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 4, 2017 13:15:06 GMT
I already wear multifocals.
This has nothing to do with my eyesight and everything to do with the fact that developers work on giant 4K monitors 1 foot from their face and never test their font sizes on 5-year-old TVs 8 feet away from the couch.
Font sizes are TOO FUCKING SMALL in pretty much every game made in the last couple of years.
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Post by iTz JoNeSy on Aug 5, 2017 11:01:25 GMT
It's nothing to do with you what my powers are. If you rely on my powers to finish matches, then you should change game.
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Post by Ronik82 on Aug 5, 2017 12:39:27 GMT
Apart from it probably never getting implemented anyways because of obvious reasons - I also don't think it would really help.
Already in ME3MP we had (and still have) people with Challenge Ratings in the 130k+ range and hundreds of hours of playtime scoring abysmal with OP guns and kits while you're wondering: "What the Hohenzollern are they doing??!" Paladins and EDI bots not using Snap Freeze, Geth Infiltrators not using Proxy Mine, putting Sniper Rifles instead of Assault Rifles on their Turian Ghost...you get the picture.
Then again, there are those with much lower ratings and seemingly strange weapon/equipment choices blowing your mind away with their performance - leaving you wondering: "How the hell does he do that?" And you might've questioned his skill choices if you'd seen them beforehand.
Also, I do believe there are lots of players who don't go out of their way to inform themselves about the mechanics of a video game - they simply want to have fun and don't really care about the ins and outs. In fact, I personally do still play ME3MP quite regularly with an ingame friend who doesn't care about "optimal" builds and who considers reload-canceling, pizza-running and using the weapon weight glitch "cheating".
Knowing everything about their loadout may simply lead to them getting kicked out of lobbies way too often, prosecuting them for not knowing certain things.
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Post by jmac1424 on Aug 5, 2017 13:57:11 GMT
My Apex is over 20k and I absolutely, positively guarantee you that you will not be impressed by my gameplay.
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