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Post by lordmoral on Feb 15, 2022 4:56:48 GMT
It is nice to see another neighbor from the Caribbean enjoy these games, I am from Puerto Rico (US) and I enjoyed hearing she is half hispanic. A fellow Puerto Rican although I was born in Brooklyn, NY, but my mother was born and raised on the island. Even though my father was born and raised in Cuba, when Castro came to power he and his family fled to Puerto Rico. He was 13 years old at the time. But yeah I too enjoy hearing she's Hispanic, I just never put it together because in reality I don't pay attention to skin tone. Plus her last name through me off. Indeed, nice to hear from your story, that is what usually what happens when weddings occurs though it is a massive bust never to see the different members of her family, Kaidan family also barely gets name dropped but we do see how his father looks like in a comic.
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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 15, 2022 17:59:49 GMT
They likely didn't do it for that reason. They saw she was divisive and didn't care to write her better. No different than Jacob, only he got it way worse. Even so, more people save Ash anyway and don't give Kaidan a chance. Incorrectly labeling him as a useless squadmate or calling him bad without seeing his entire character. Most ME players are straight male, so they would rather save the hot girl than guy anyway. Not to mention your average casual ME player probably only played the games once. Surprisingly LE is more close between the two from what I remember. Indian people can also have light/fair skin and can speak without accents. Yet they are usually portrayed with darker skin and accents. Just like Sumesh. But as I said, Bioware portrays these characters either through accents, skin color, how they speak, or their names. I said it was possible Ash is Hispanic. It just doesn't appear that way initially and there are other things to suggest otherwise. That is a lame excuse, those are the characters that are better to develop. Agreed. Jacob could have been improved in so many ways. Instead they go with a negative stereotype and make him more boring. Ash just becomes a sexed up discount Miranda who doesn't do much and loses all her defining traits from ME1.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 15, 2022 23:18:55 GMT
That is a lame excuse, those are the characters that are better to develop. Agreed. Jacob could have been improved in so many ways. Instead they go with a negative stereotype and make him more boring. Ash just becomes a sexed up discount Miranda who doesn't do much and loses all her defining traits from ME1. In my first playthrough of ME1 I found Ash interesting and Kaidan boring. So at Virmire I saved Ash, but then in ME3 she hardly did anything and had minimal dialogue. So she went from interesting to dull. My second playthrough I saved Kaidan and he was the opposite of Ash. He went from dull to interesting and had a lot more to say and do. Kaidan through me off though when he flirted a bit with my broShep, not that I am a homophobe it was just unexpected.
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Post by lordmoral on Feb 16, 2022 5:08:43 GMT
Agreed. Jacob could have been improved in so many ways. Instead they go with a negative stereotype and make him more boring. Ash just becomes a sexed up discount Miranda who doesn't do much and loses all her defining traits from ME1. In my first playthrough of ME1 I found Ash interesting and Kaidan boring. So at Virmire I saved Ash, but then in ME3 she hardly did anything and had minimal dialogue. So she went from interesting to dull. My second playthrough I saved Kaidan and he was the opposite of Ash. He went from dull to interesting and had a lot more to say and do. Kaidan through me off though when he flirted a bit with my broShep, not that I am a homophobe it was just unexpected. I do not have anything against Kaidan, but I will keep saving my half Latina Waifu with a personality ready to blow on Bioware for nerfing her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2022 5:14:18 GMT
I save Ashley over Kaiden because I think they both have better stories that way. As a martyr, Kaiden is able to help out a lot of biotic kids with a system under his name while Ah just gets some accolades. Alive, Ashley is able to clear her family name far more and has character growth while Kaiden really doesn’t for me.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 16, 2022 5:32:47 GMT
I save Ashley over Kaiden because I think they both have better stories that way. As a martyr, Kaiden is able to help out a lot of biotic kids with a system under his name while Ah just gets some accolades. Alive, Ashley is able to clear her family name far more and has character growth while Kaiden really doesn’t for me. Yeah, you're right about that. In my current playthrough I actually stopped to listen to the Galactic News, and since Kaidan's dead a program helping biotic kids have been set up in his name.
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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 17, 2022 15:56:21 GMT
Agreed. Jacob could have been improved in so many ways. Instead they go with a negative stereotype and make him more boring. Ash just becomes a sexed up discount Miranda who doesn't do much and loses all her defining traits from ME1. In my first playthrough of ME1 I found Ash interesting and Kaidan boring. So at Virmire I saved Ash, but then in ME3 she hardly did anything and had minimal dialogue. So she went from interesting to dull. My second playthrough I saved Kaidan and he was the opposite of Ash. He went from dull to interesting and had a lot more to say and do. Kaidan through me off though when he flirted a bit with my broShep, not that I am a homophobe it was just unexpected. Agree. This is ultimately why I can't save Ash anymore. I don't care what race she is, how hot she is, or how good her character is in ME1. She is very bad in ME3 to the point she is a background prop with no development. Kaidan says and does more, works a lot better for both genders and sexualities, and is overall more likable. I appreciate you gave him a chance unlike a lot of others. And Ash dying on Virmire makes more sense. Not only is Kaidan an officer, but Ash dying gives her posthumous accolades that still allow her to save her family name. I think it is given more fanfare in ME2 if she dies versus Kaidan. But if Bioware didn't suck with their lack of choice, I'd much rather keep both of them alive and dump Liara's obnoxious ass on Virmire. I am probably one of the few that likes both.
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Post by lordmoral on Feb 18, 2022 14:20:21 GMT
In my first playthrough of ME1 I found Ash interesting and Kaidan boring. So at Virmire I saved Ash, but then in ME3 she hardly did anything and had minimal dialogue. So she went from interesting to dull. My second playthrough I saved Kaidan and he was the opposite of Ash. He went from dull to interesting and had a lot more to say and do. Kaidan through me off though when he flirted a bit with my broShep, not that I am a homophobe it was just unexpected. Agree. This is ultimately why I can't save Ash anymore. I don't care what race she is, how hot she is, or how good her character is in ME1. She is very bad in ME3 to the point she is a background prop with no development. Kaidan says and does more, works a lot better for both genders and sexualities, and is overall more likable. I appreciate you gave him a chance unlike a lot of others. And Ash dying on Virmire makes more sense. Not only is Kaidan an officer, but Ash dying gives her posthumous accolades that still allow her to save her family name. I think it is given more fanfare in ME2 if she dies versus Kaidan. But if Bioware didn't suck with their lack of choice, I'd much rather keep both of them alive and dump Liara's obnoxious ass on Virmire. I am probably one of the few that likes both. I place that on Bioware awful treatment of her in ME3 when they never bothered to restores her content that is damaged in ME3.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 25, 2022 22:08:05 GMT
I save Ashley over Kaiden because I think they both have better stories that way. As a martyr, Kaiden is able to help out a lot of biotic kids with a system under his name while Ah just gets some accolades. Alive, Ashley is able to clear her family name far more and has character growth while Kaiden really doesn’t for me. HOW do you work that out? If alive he FOUNDS and TRAINS his own squad of Biotics. That is far more beneficial than 'being a martyr'. Plus, he's an Officer already in ME1. His worth, in Military terms, is ten of Ashley. Kaidan also grows as a character. Asks questions about the TIM and Cerberus in order to better understand them. And has interactions with the crew throughout ME3. Meanwhile Ashley gets drunk and.....nothing. If that is what you call 'character growth', then you've obviously never had Kaidan in ME3.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2022 23:07:54 GMT
I save Ashley over Kaiden because I think they both have better stories that way. As a martyr, Kaiden is able to help out a lot of biotic kids with a system under his name while Ah just gets some accolades. Alive, Ashley is able to clear her family name far more and has character growth while Kaiden really doesn’t for me. HOW do you work that out? If alive he FOUNDS and TRAINS his own squad of Biotics. That is far more beneficial than 'being a martyr'. Plus, he's an Officer already in ME1. His worth, in Military terms, is ten of Ashley. Kaidan also grows as a character. Asks questions about the TIM and Cerberus in order to better understand them. And has interactions with the crew throughout ME3. Meanwhile Ashley gets drunk and.....nothing. If that is what you call 'character growth', then you've obviously never had Kaidan in ME3. I have had Kaidan in ME3. All the growth he has is one both has, while again imo Ash has a bit more. I do agree they mistreated Ash in ME3 compared to him though. As for how, if he dies there is a whole charity in his name that helps biotic kids. I don’t care about rank. An officer’s life is not worth more than someone who isn’t an officer.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 25, 2022 23:22:12 GMT
HOW do you work that out? If alive he FOUNDS and TRAINS his own squad of Biotics. That is far more beneficial than 'being a martyr'. Plus, he's an Officer already in ME1. His worth, in Military terms, is ten of Ashley. Kaidan also grows as a character. Asks questions about the TIM and Cerberus in order to better understand them. And has interactions with the crew throughout ME3. Meanwhile Ashley gets drunk and.....nothing. If that is what you call 'character growth', then you've obviously never had Kaidan in ME3. I have had Kaidan in ME3. All the growth he has is one both has, while again imo Ash has a bit more. I do agree they mistreated Ash in ME3 compared to him though. As for how, if he dies there is a whole charity in his name that helps biotic kids. I don’t care about rank. An officer’s life is not worth more than someone who isn’t an officer. How do they under go the same growth, when Ashley, whom I like btw, doesn't even get the same cutscenes or dialogue and interactions with crew? A human Biotic master is far more valuable, than a school of amateurs set up in the Masters name. PS: I'm not being hostile here btw. I'm genuinely interested in your point of view.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 26, 2022 0:42:50 GMT
I have had Kaidan in ME3. All the growth he has is one both has, while again imo Ash has a bit more. I do agree they mistreated Ash in ME3 compared to him though. As for how, if he dies there is a whole charity in his name that helps biotic kids. I don’t care about rank. An officer’s life is not worth more than someone who isn’t an officer. How do they under go the same growth, when Ashley, whom I like btw, doesn't even get the same cutscenes or dialogue and interactions with crew? A human Biotic master is far more valuable, than a school of amateurs set up in the Masters name. PS: I'm not being hostile here btw. I'm genuinely interested in your point of view. There’s all the more unspoken or subtle stuff, like Ashley getting over her prejudices of aliens and like I said earlier her restoring her family’s honor. Kaidan really never has growth like that, at least that I saw. Eh, in combat maybe. But all lives are equally valuable, which is what I meant. Plus that charity helps thousands of biotics, while his squad is only a few. I know you aren’t being hostile. I appreciate that. I am curious though, what character growth does Kaidan show. I have never really seen any, but I am curious about what I missed.
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Post by lordmoral on Feb 26, 2022 2:42:01 GMT
I have had Kaidan in ME3. All the growth he has is one both has, while again imo Ash has a bit more. I do agree they mistreated Ash in ME3 compared to him though. As for how, if he dies there is a whole charity in his name that helps biotic kids. I don’t care about rank. An officer’s life is not worth more than someone who isn’t an officer. How do they under go the same growth, when Ashley, whom I like btw, doesn't even get the same cutscenes or dialogue and interactions with crew? A human Biotic master is far more valuable, than a school of amateurs set up in the Masters name. PS: I'm not being hostile here btw. I'm genuinely interested in your point of view. Ash does have interactions with Tali but you have to complete Turian Patrol and then Turian Bomb after Rannoch, she also has the following conversations damaged by Bioware never bothering to fix them in the LE: conversation with Liara post Coup, extended dialog on her date conversation and additional lines during her sister husband memorial Modders have had/working to recover the conversations in both the regular release adn now in the LE for free, but Bioware current President has said the response to the LE has been overwhelming positive and they will seek to carry the same lessons moving forward.
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Post by damdil on Feb 27, 2022 15:18:46 GMT
On topic: Actually none. I think one of the somewhat critically bad design choices from Bioware beginning with ME2 (and preshadowed by DA:Origins) are both the staggering amount of squad members and side characters and the decision that, both genders included, you have like 9 LIs for Shepard. Imo, ME3 took the most reasonable path with a squad of 7 characters and 3 or 4 "true" LIs. BUT, in ME3 there's still the issue of having a huge amount of lose threads with the rest of the character roster left from ME2. And it isn't news for anyone that most of them were treated quite negligent; like posted in this thread for example Ashley suffered from this (though personally I don't like her at all).
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 28, 2022 4:29:55 GMT
On topic: Actually none. I think one of the somewhat critically bad design choices from Bioware beginning with ME2 (and preshadowed by DA:Origins) are both the staggering amount of squad members and side characters and the decision that, both genders included, you have like 9 LIs for Shepard. Imo, ME3 took the most reasonable path with a squad of 7 characters and 3 or 4 "true" LIs. BUT, in ME3 there's still the issue of having a huge amount of lose threads with the rest of the character roster left from ME2. And it isn't news for anyone that most of them were treated quite negligent; like posted in this thread for example Ashley suffered from this (though personally I don't like her at all). Yes, in LE2 my Shepard was a stud. Every woman on his squad wanted him to bang them. Shepard is God's gift to all the females of the universe. Seriously though I agree too many LI's. Although I guess that adds to the replayability of the game if you're like me and want to see everything.
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Post by damdil on Feb 28, 2022 14:43:10 GMT
Imo, the huge roster of squadmates and LIs was probably not so much a game design, but more of a marketing choice. And maybe given that ME2 was released in 2010 Bioware somewhat lead the way to this developement in media. At the latest with 2011/2, movies and series like Avengers and Game of Thrones all came with an enormous cast of main and side characters having something available for every taste and preference. While this automatically broadens your target audience, on the downside every character can only have that amount of screen time and impact on the story (which is very similar to what happened to a vast amount of the ME 2 squad). Ah yes and I probably shouldn't forget Breaking Bad which first came out in 2008.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 1, 2022 16:40:12 GMT
How do they under go the same growth, when Ashley, whom I like btw, doesn't even get the same cutscenes or dialogue and interactions with crew? A human Biotic master is far more valuable, than a school of amateurs set up in the Masters name. PS: I'm not being hostile here btw. I'm genuinely interested in your point of view. There’s all the more unspoken or subtle stuff, like Ashley getting over her prejudices of aliens and like I said earlier her restoring her family’s honor. Kaidan really never has growth like that, at least that I saw. Eh, in combat maybe. But all lives are equally valuable, which is what I meant. Plus that charity helps thousands of biotics, while his squad is only a few. I know you aren’t being hostile. I appreciate that. I am curious though, what character growth does Kaidan show. I have never really seen any, but I am curious about what I missed. The most important difference between Ash and Kaidan is how they react to Shepard in ME3 to me. Kaidan is more forgiving and understanding. He owns up to misjudging Shepard and apologizes. Even if you sleep with someone else, he realizes he walked away and owns up to it. It's only if you lie about it he gets upset. But will forgive you if you apologize. He attempts to be the bigger person and leaves the past in the past. He is also more caring toward a romanced femshep and in general is more supportive to both genders. He also cares more about others despite nearly dying and his dad being MIA. If you are fighting a galactic war, I appreciate this approach more. For Ash, everything seems like it's about her most of the time. Ash on the other hand is a lot more judgemental/petty, will act very childish if you "cheat" with a human and will take a long time to warm to you even if loyal. She also never really apologizes to Shepard and she seems indifferent to the man she loves until the end. You say she has subtle growth. To me, it's almost nonexistent and barely shows up. We never see her work through her xenophobia in ME3. She never interacts with Tali, but is fine if you go out with her? This is weird as even Pressely had a log bout Tali. A big issue is she sits on the Normandy and is never seen interacting with anyone. Many times not even with Shepard. So, I don't see it as subtle. More like the writer convenientally remembered to add this in. For Kaidan, he becomes a lot more sociable. In ME1 he interacted with very few people unless you brought him along on elevators. In ME3, he holds friendly/laid back conversations with much of the crew. He plays poker with James, he symapthizes about Victus with Garrus, has conversations with EDI about finding his squad, and talks biotics with Liara. Then in his Citadel DLC scene, he he can rib friend Shepard back in jest. In general he jokes around more. He has a lot more dialogue with a romanced Shepard than Ash does. He tries to be flirtatious more while he was awkward and formal in ME1 (something femshep calls him on). His romance with male Shepard also comes off mostly natural. Even as just a friend he has more to say than "good to see you" Ash. He also has to convince you to take a break on the Citadel. A far cry from the guy who was all business before. This scene is pretty well written and acted. His confession or pledge to you as brothers in arms are handled well. Him also wondering about the Cerberus scientists also helps. Originally, he believed Cerberus to be iredeemable and untrustworthy. After that ME3 mission, he realizes that not everything is as black and white after seeing it with his own eyes. He even begins to wonder about the Illusive Man and if there was good in him at one point. Also how weighty it is to balance saving one life or many. Basically understanding Shepard's position throughout the series even more. Compare this to drunk Ash that is played for laughs. At least to me, this was the complete opposite of funny. I also don't feel restoring her family name (something that happens even when she dies) means much of anything to the war effort. Training an elite group of biotics is more valuable to the cause. As for officer vs. NCO, I was an NCO in the military. My life would be considered less important than an officer for sure. This why Kaidan being an officer would make more "sense" to save. There is a hierarchy in how lives are valued like it or not. For example, women's lives are considered more valuable than men. Hence the term women and children first. I assume this also why more save Ash. Most people in general are more ok letting a man die versus a woman. It's a crappy viewpoint, but it exists. Lastly, I tried so hard to like Ash as she was great in ME1. She has a few scant moments that work in her favor in ME3. Her writing let's her down considerably. Her sexed up designs shows Bioware's priorities with her. Kaidan comes off as a character to me in ME3, while Ash doesn't. Sorry for the novel, but hopefully some of these points make sense. I might have forgotten a few too.
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There’s all the more unspoken or subtle stuff, like Ashley getting over her prejudices of aliens and like I said earlier her restoring her family’s honor. Kaidan really never has growth like that, at least that I saw. Eh, in combat maybe. But all lives are equally valuable, which is what I meant. Plus that charity helps thousands of biotics, while his squad is only a few. I know you aren’t being hostile. I appreciate that. I am curious though, what character growth does Kaidan show. I have never really seen any, but I am curious about what I missed. The most important difference between Ash and Kaidan is how they react to Shepard in ME3 to me. Kaidan is more forgiving and understanding. He owns up to misjudging Shepard and apologizes. Even if you sleep with someone else, he realizes he walked away and owns up to it. It's only if you lie about it he gets upset. But will forgive you if you apologize. He attempts to be the bigger person and leaves the past in the past. He is also more caring toward a romanced femshep and in general is more supportive to both genders. He also cares more about others despite nearly dying and his dad being MIA. If you are fighting a galactic war, I appreciate this approach more. For Ash, everything seems like it's about her most of the time. Ash on the other hand is a lot more judgemental/petty, will act very childish if you "cheat" with a human and will take a long time to warm to you even if loyal. She also never really apologizes to Shepard and she seems indifferent to the man she loves until the end. You say she has subtle growth. To me, it's almost nonexistent and barely shows up. We never see her work through her xenophobia in ME3. She never interacts with Tali, but is fine if you go out with her? This is weird as even Pressely had a log bout Tali. A big issue is she sits on the Normandy and is never seen interacting with anyone. Many times not even with Shepard. So, I don't see it as subtle. More like the writer convenientally remembered to add this in. For Kaidan, he becomes a lot more sociable. In ME1 he interacted with very few people unless you brought him along on elevators. In ME3, he holds friendly/laid back conversations with much of the crew. He plays poker with James, he symapthizes about Victus with Garrus, has conversations with EDI about finding his squad, and talks biotics with Liara. Then in his Citadel DLC scene, he he can rib friend Shepard back in jest. In general he jokes around more. He has a lot more dialogue with a romanced Shepard than Ash does. He tries to be flirtatious more while he was awkward and formal in ME1 (something femshep calls him on). His romance with male Shepard also comes off mostly natural. Even as just a friend he has more to say than "good to see you" Ash. He also has to convince you to take a break on the Citadel. A far cry from the guy who was all business before. This scene is pretty well written and acted. His confession or pledge to you as brothers in arms are handled well. Him also wondering about the Cerberus scientists also helps. Originally, he believed Cerberus to be iredeemable and untrustworthy. After that ME3 mission, he realizes that not everything is as black and white after seeing it with his own eyes. He even begins to wonder about the Illusive Man and if there was good in him at one point. Also how weighty it is to balance saving one life or many. Basically understanding Shepard's position throughout the series even more. Compare this to drunk Ash that is played for laughs. At least to me, this was the complete opposite of funny. I also don't feel restoring her family name (something that happens even when she dies) means much of anything to the war effort. Training an elite group of biotics is more valuable to the cause. As for officer vs. NCO, I was an NCO in the military. My life would be considered less important than an officer for sure. This why Kaidan being an officer would make more "sense" to save. There is a hierarchy in how lives are valued like it or not. For example, women's lives are considered more valuable than men. Hence the term women and children first. I assume this also why more save Ash. Most people in general are more ok letting a man die versus a woman. It's a crappy viewpoint, but it exists. Lastly, I tried so hard to like Ash as she was great in ME1. She has a few scant moments that work in her favor in ME3. Her writing let's her down considerably. Her sexed up designs shows Bioware's priorities with her. Kaidan comes off as a character to me in ME3, while Ash doesn't. I mostly agree with you. One extra point which I haven't read here before: Ashley without mods is, atleast for me, the only NPC which is alarmingly close to the uncanny vally. And her sexed up apperance in ME3 doesn't help with that at all. The only time she looks good imo is in her introduction cutscene in ME1.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 2, 2022 1:57:28 GMT
There’s all the more unspoken or subtle stuff, like Ashley getting over her prejudices of aliens and like I said earlier her restoring her family’s honor. Kaidan really never has growth like that, at least that I saw. Eh, in combat maybe. But all lives are equally valuable, which is what I meant. Plus that charity helps thousands of biotics, while his squad is only a few. I know you aren’t being hostile. I appreciate that. I am curious though, what character growth does Kaidan show. I have never really seen any, but I am curious about what I missed. The most important difference between Ash and Kaidan is how they react to Shepard in ME3 to me. Kaidan is more forgiving and understanding. He owns up to misjudging Shepard and apologizes. Even if you sleep with someone else, he realizes he walked away and owns up to it. It's only if you lie about it he gets upset. But will forgive you if you apologize. He attempts to be the bigger person and leaves the past in the past. He is also more caring toward a romanced femshep and in general is more supportive to both genders. He also cares more about others despite nearly dying and his dad being MIA. If you are fighting a galactic war, I appreciate this approach more. For Ash, everything seems like it's about her most of the time. Ash on the other hand is a lot more judgemental/petty, will act very childish if you "cheat" with a human and will take a long time to warm to you even if loyal. She also never really apologizes to Shepard and she seems indifferent to the man she loves until the end. You say she has subtle growth. To me, it's almost nonexistent and barely shows up. We never see her work through her xenophobia in ME3. She never interacts with Tali, but is fine if you go out with her? This is weird as even Pressely had a log bout Tali. A big issue is she sits on the Normandy and is never seen interacting with anyone. Many times not even with Shepard. So, I don't see it as subtle. More like the writer convenientally remembered to add this in. For Kaidan, he becomes a lot more sociable. In ME1 he interacted with very few people unless you brought him along on elevators. In ME3, he holds friendly/laid back conversations with much of the crew. He plays poker with James, he symapthizes about Victus with Garrus, has conversations with EDI about finding his squad, and talks biotics with Liara. Then in his Citadel DLC scene, he he can rib friend Shepard back in jest. In general he jokes around more. He has a lot more dialogue with a romanced Shepard than Ash does. He tries to be flirtatious more while he was awkward and formal in ME1 (something femshep calls him on). His romance with male Shepard also comes off mostly natural. Even as just a friend he has more to say than "good to see you" Ash. He also has to convince you to take a break on the Citadel. A far cry from the guy who was all business before. This scene is pretty well written and acted. His confession or pledge to you as brothers in arms are handled well. Him also wondering about the Cerberus scientists also helps. Originally, he believed Cerberus to be iredeemable and untrustworthy. After that ME3 mission, he realizes that not everything is as black and white after seeing it with his own eyes. He even begins to wonder about the Illusive Man and if there was good in him at one point. Also how weighty it is to balance saving one life or many. Basically understanding Shepard's position throughout the series even more. Compare this to drunk Ash that is played for laughs. At least to me, this was the complete opposite of funny. I also don't feel restoring her family name (something that happens even when she dies) means much of anything to the war effort. Training an elite group of biotics is more valuable to the cause. As for officer vs. NCO, I was an NCO in the military. My life would be considered less important than an officer for sure. This why Kaidan being an officer would make more "sense" to save. There is a hierarchy in how lives are valued like it or not. For example, women's lives are considered more valuable than men. Hence the term women and children first. I assume this also why more save Ash. Most people in general are more ok letting a man die versus a woman. It's a crappy viewpoint, but it exists. Lastly, I tried so hard to like Ash as she was great in ME1. She has a few scant moments that work in her favor in ME3. Her writing let's her down considerably. Her sexed up designs shows Bioware's priorities with her. Kaidan comes off as a character to me in ME3, while Ash doesn't. Sorry for the novel, but hopefully some of these points make sense. I might have forgotten a few too. As much as I like ME1 Ash, I agree with everything you said about how much Kaidan improves in ME3. Yes, like I've said many times before Ash takes up Kasumi's role of always being isolated from the rest. Kaidan like you said is much more sociable and likable this time around. I kind of liked him in ME1, but in my first PT I chose Ash because I thought she would have the most growth out of the two. In fact I've seen two complete playthroughs of the trilogy on Youtube and both gamers chose Ash every time. There justification was that Kaidan seemed boring compared to Ash. To me ME1 Kaidan was in the same boat as Jacob in ME2 they lacked personality. I trusted both but they did not seem energetic. I know Dr. Chakwas says that because of his L2 implants Kaidan gets mild migraines. In my head canon the VS will always be him, because of his improvement in ME3.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 2, 2022 14:51:01 GMT
The most important difference between Ash and Kaidan is how they react to Shepard in ME3 to me. Kaidan is more forgiving and understanding. He owns up to misjudging Shepard and apologizes. Even if you sleep with someone else, he realizes he walked away and owns up to it. It's only if you lie about it he gets upset. But will forgive you if you apologize. He attempts to be the bigger person and leaves the past in the past. He is also more caring toward a romanced femshep and in general is more supportive to both genders. He also cares more about others despite nearly dying and his dad being MIA. If you are fighting a galactic war, I appreciate this approach more. For Ash, everything seems like it's about her most of the time. Ash on the other hand is a lot more judgemental/petty, will act very childish if you "cheat" with a human and will take a long time to warm to you even if loyal. She also never really apologizes to Shepard and she seems indifferent to the man she loves until the end. You say she has subtle growth. To me, it's almost nonexistent and barely shows up. We never see her work through her xenophobia in ME3. She never interacts with Tali, but is fine if you go out with her? This is weird as even Pressely had a log bout Tali. A big issue is she sits on the Normandy and is never seen interacting with anyone. Many times not even with Shepard. So, I don't see it as subtle. More like the writer convenientally remembered to add this in. For Kaidan, he becomes a lot more sociable. In ME1 he interacted with very few people unless you brought him along on elevators. In ME3, he holds friendly/laid back conversations with much of the crew. He plays poker with James, he symapthizes about Victus with Garrus, has conversations with EDI about finding his squad, and talks biotics with Liara. Then in his Citadel DLC scene, he he can rib friend Shepard back in jest. In general he jokes around more. He has a lot more dialogue with a romanced Shepard than Ash does. He tries to be flirtatious more while he was awkward and formal in ME1 (something femshep calls him on). His romance with male Shepard also comes off mostly natural. Even as just a friend he has more to say than "good to see you" Ash. He also has to convince you to take a break on the Citadel. A far cry from the guy who was all business before. This scene is pretty well written and acted. His confession or pledge to you as brothers in arms are handled well. Him also wondering about the Cerberus scientists also helps. Originally, he believed Cerberus to be iredeemable and untrustworthy. After that ME3 mission, he realizes that not everything is as black and white after seeing it with his own eyes. He even begins to wonder about the Illusive Man and if there was good in him at one point. Also how weighty it is to balance saving one life or many. Basically understanding Shepard's position throughout the series even more. Compare this to drunk Ash that is played for laughs. At least to me, this was the complete opposite of funny. I also don't feel restoring her family name (something that happens even when she dies) means much of anything to the war effort. Training an elite group of biotics is more valuable to the cause. As for officer vs. NCO, I was an NCO in the military. My life would be considered less important than an officer for sure. This why Kaidan being an officer would make more "sense" to save. There is a hierarchy in how lives are valued like it or not. For example, women's lives are considered more valuable than men. Hence the term women and children first. I assume this also why more save Ash. Most people in general are more ok letting a man die versus a woman. It's a crappy viewpoint, but it exists. Lastly, I tried so hard to like Ash as she was great in ME1. She has a few scant moments that work in her favor in ME3. Her writing let's her down considerably. Her sexed up designs shows Bioware's priorities with her. Kaidan comes off as a character to me in ME3, while Ash doesn't. Sorry for the novel, but hopefully some of these points make sense. I might have forgotten a few too. As much as I like ME1 Ash, I agree with everything you said about how much Kaidan improves in ME3. Yes, like I've said many times before Ash takes up Kasumi's role of always being isolated from the rest. Kaidan like you said is much more sociable and likable this time around. I kind of liked him in ME1, but in my first PT I chose Ash because I thought she would have the most growth out of the two. In fact I've seen two complete playthroughs of the trilogy on Youtube and both gamers chose Ash every time. There justification was that Kaidan seemed boring compared to Ash. To me ME1 Kaidan was in the same boat as Jacob in ME2 they lacked personality. I trusted both but they did not seem energetic. I know Dr. Chakwas says that because of his L2 implants Kaidan gets mild migraines. In my head canon the VS will always be him, because of his improvement in ME3. Wow, that's a great comparison to Kasumi. I never thought of it this way. The funny thing is even Kasumi is more cordial and talkative than Ash is. And as I said I appreciate you giving him a chance. I also have experienced many people not giving him a chance either because they think he's boring or just want to say they have another female they can bang. I'll never understand people who keep making the same choices in subsequent playthroughs and not trying the other. I also feel Kaidan's growth isn't really in your face and is a bit more subdued. He's not constantly in the spotlight like Garrus or Liara. And he's not an alien and is just a normal guy. He reminds me a bit of a romanced Miranda as both of them are a bit less obvious on how they have changed. I think a younger player might not be able to appreciate Kaidan as much. I agree that Kaidan being more quiet and reserved made him seem uninteresting to people. But I think he had his moments in the game like him talking about extranet sites or bigger boots. But I get why people might not click with him there. I also want to mention I still like Ash. However, her character was assassinated extremely hard just like Jacob.
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Post by lordmoral on Mar 3, 2022 4:45:05 GMT
The most important difference between Ash and Kaidan is how they react to Shepard in ME3 to me. Kaidan is more forgiving and understanding. He owns up to misjudging Shepard and apologizes. Even if you sleep with someone else, he realizes he walked away and owns up to it. It's only if you lie about it he gets upset. But will forgive you if you apologize. He attempts to be the bigger person and leaves the past in the past. He is also more caring toward a romanced femshep and in general is more supportive to both genders. He also cares more about others despite nearly dying and his dad being MIA. If you are fighting a galactic war, I appreciate this approach more. For Ash, everything seems like it's about her most of the time. Ash on the other hand is a lot more judgemental/petty, will act very childish if you "cheat" with a human and will take a long time to warm to you even if loyal. She also never really apologizes to Shepard and she seems indifferent to the man she loves until the end. You say she has subtle growth. To me, it's almost nonexistent and barely shows up. We never see her work through her xenophobia in ME3. She never interacts with Tali, but is fine if you go out with her? This is weird as even Pressely had a log bout Tali. A big issue is she sits on the Normandy and is never seen interacting with anyone. Many times not even with Shepard. So, I don't see it as subtle. More like the writer convenientally remembered to add this in. For Kaidan, he becomes a lot more sociable. In ME1 he interacted with very few people unless you brought him along on elevators. In ME3, he holds friendly/laid back conversations with much of the crew. He plays poker with James, he symapthizes about Victus with Garrus, has conversations with EDI about finding his squad, and talks biotics with Liara. Then in his Citadel DLC scene, he he can rib friend Shepard back in jest. In general he jokes around more. He has a lot more dialogue with a romanced Shepard than Ash does. He tries to be flirtatious more while he was awkward and formal in ME1 (something femshep calls him on). His romance with male Shepard also comes off mostly natural. Even as just a friend he has more to say than "good to see you" Ash. He also has to convince you to take a break on the Citadel. A far cry from the guy who was all business before. This scene is pretty well written and acted. His confession or pledge to you as brothers in arms are handled well. Him also wondering about the Cerberus scientists also helps. Originally, he believed Cerberus to be iredeemable and untrustworthy. After that ME3 mission, he realizes that not everything is as black and white after seeing it with his own eyes. He even begins to wonder about the Illusive Man and if there was good in him at one point. Also how weighty it is to balance saving one life or many. Basically understanding Shepard's position throughout the series even more. Compare this to drunk Ash that is played for laughs. At least to me, this was the complete opposite of funny. I also don't feel restoring her family name (something that happens even when she dies) means much of anything to the war effort. Training an elite group of biotics is more valuable to the cause. As for officer vs. NCO, I was an NCO in the military. My life would be considered less important than an officer for sure. This why Kaidan being an officer would make more "sense" to save. There is a hierarchy in how lives are valued like it or not. For example, women's lives are considered more valuable than men. Hence the term women and children first. I assume this also why more save Ash. Most people in general are more ok letting a man die versus a woman. It's a crappy viewpoint, but it exists. Lastly, I tried so hard to like Ash as she was great in ME1. She has a few scant moments that work in her favor in ME3. Her writing let's her down considerably. Her sexed up designs shows Bioware's priorities with her. Kaidan comes off as a character to me in ME3, while Ash doesn't. Sorry for the novel, but hopefully some of these points make sense. I might have forgotten a few too. As much as I like ME1 Ash, I agree with everything you said about how much Kaidan improves in ME3. Yes, like I've said many times before Ash takes up Kasumi's role of always being isolated from the rest. Kaidan like you said is much more sociable and likable this time around. I kind of liked him in ME1, but in my first PT I chose Ash because I thought she would have the most growth out of the two. In fact I've seen two complete playthroughs of the trilogy on Youtube and both gamers chose Ash every time. There justification was that Kaidan seemed boring compared to Ash. To me ME1 Kaidan was in the same boat as Jacob in ME2 they lacked personality. I trusted both but they did not seem energetic. I know Dr. Chakwas says that because of his L2 implants Kaidan gets mild migraines. In my head canon the VS will always be him, because of his improvement in ME3. For me the VS will always be Ashley Bioware murder of here character thanks to the multiple bugged content they never bothered to fix about her in the ME3LE, if they made her intentionally hampered in order to get more people to save Kaidan then F--- them and I am sorry if there are any current Bioware employees here but how did you messed up the QA on the LE? There is no excuse whatsoever that both Kaidan and Ashley couldn't be well written and cared in the third entry heck, even on ME2 you put them both on one mission and regardless of how much the fanbase wanted them in one of the ME2 DLC offerings you ignored us and ignored us again when we gave more than enough criticism about her treatment in ME3, it was bad the first time but now in ME3LE you did this on purpose and then you gave yourself a pat on the back when that new Bioware President said the attention to detail and more in MELE is what you will do moving forward.
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Post by damdil on Mar 3, 2022 13:13:22 GMT
Somebody is maaad. But I understand and some nice people might already have a solution ready. Take a look at this: www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/422While I haven't tested it for Ashley since I have Kaidan in the squad on my current playthrough, it says the following in the description: Restored conversation beween Ashley and Liara So it will atleast restore some of the cut content you talked about. In general I can recommend this mod but it seems it also fixes this personal issue for you. This mod could also interest you. Seemingly, there was an app for smartphones back when ME3 came out where you'd receive some small texts of your squad mates etc after certain events. This mod let's you read them as ingame email and while it may sound strange, it really gives some extra polish to the crew interactions: www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/708
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Post by lordmoral on Mar 4, 2022 0:16:27 GMT
Somebody is maaad. But I understand and some nice people might already have a solution ready. Take a look at this: www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/422While I haven't tested it for Ashley since I have Kaidan in the squad on my current playthrough, it says the following in the description: Restored conversation beween Ashley and Liara So it will atleast restore some of the cut content you talked about. In general I can recommend this mod but it seems it also fixes this personal issue for you. This mod could also interest you. Seemingly, there was an app for smartphones back when ME3 came out where you'd receive some small texts of your squad mates etc after certain events. This mod let's you read them as ingame email and while it may sound strange, it really gives some extra polish to the crew interactions: www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/708 That is the thing, I am a console player and I know of these MOD's.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 7, 2022 15:27:01 GMT
As much as I like ME1 Ash, I agree with everything you said about how much Kaidan improves in ME3. Yes, like I've said many times before Ash takes up Kasumi's role of always being isolated from the rest. Kaidan like you said is much more sociable and likable this time around. I kind of liked him in ME1, but in my first PT I chose Ash because I thought she would have the most growth out of the two. In fact I've seen two complete playthroughs of the trilogy on Youtube and both gamers chose Ash every time. There justification was that Kaidan seemed boring compared to Ash. To me ME1 Kaidan was in the same boat as Jacob in ME2 they lacked personality. I trusted both but they did not seem energetic. I know Dr. Chakwas says that because of his L2 implants Kaidan gets mild migraines. In my head canon the VS will always be him, because of his improvement in ME3. For me the VS will always be Ashley Bioware murder of here character thanks to the multiple bugged content they never bothered to fix about her in the ME3LE, if they made her intentionally hampered in order to get more people to save Kaidan then F--- them and I am sorry if there are any current Bioware employees here but how did you messed up the QA on the LE? There is no excuse whatsoever that both Kaidan and Ashley couldn't be well written and cared in the third entry heck, even on ME2 you put them both on one mission and regardless of how much the fanbase wanted them in one of the ME2 DLC offerings you ignored us and ignored us again when we gave more than enough criticism about her treatment in ME3, it was bad the first time but now in ME3LE you did this on purpose and then you gave yourself a pat on the back when that new Bioware President said the attention to detail and more in MELE is what you will do moving forward. I don't think they did that so more people would save Kaidan. Even in MELE, Ash is saved 60 to 40 in her favor. Most people's minds are usually made up about the VS. Look at yourself and the person who asked about Kaidan's growth. You are dead set on Ash. The other person never responded. Either they don't care or nothing I said really mattered. Funnily, I've seen people who detest her, but still save her over Kaidan for....reasons unknown. And most ME players are straight male so they would rather save attractive woman they can bang over Kaidan. Not to mention, Ash will be seen as more sympathetic because she's a woman. In any situation where you have to choose between a man or a woman, the female will usually win out. It's just backwards atavistic human nature. I'm pretty sure men want to live too. But we are seen as more disposable than women. And to be fair, they didn't add Kaidan to be bisexual from the start either (and possibly some of his cut dialogue). While solid, the MELE is a pretty lazy product that adds nothing new. So expecting Ash's conversations was asking for too much. The only thing worth mentioning is that the results between the VS are closer in MELE compared to the original release. Which is good more people are giving him a chance. But is still sad because Kaidan's writing is stronger and Ash amounts to a background prop.
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Post by lordmoral on Mar 7, 2022 16:07:02 GMT
For me the VS will always be Ashley Bioware murder of here character thanks to the multiple bugged content they never bothered to fix about her in the ME3LE, if they made her intentionally hampered in order to get more people to save Kaidan then F--- them and I am sorry if there are any current Bioware employees here but how did you messed up the QA on the LE? There is no excuse whatsoever that both Kaidan and Ashley couldn't be well written and cared in the third entry heck, even on ME2 you put them both on one mission and regardless of how much the fanbase wanted them in one of the ME2 DLC offerings you ignored us and ignored us again when we gave more than enough criticism about her treatment in ME3, it was bad the first time but now in ME3LE you did this on purpose and then you gave yourself a pat on the back when that new Bioware President said the attention to detail and more in MELE is what you will do moving forward. I don't think they did that so more people would save Kaidan. Even in MELE, Ash is saved 60 to 40 in her favor. Most people's minds are usually made up about the VS. Look at yourself and the person who asked about Kaidan's growth. You are dead set on Ash. The other person never responded. Either they don't care or nothing I said really mattered. Funnily, I've seen people who detest her, but still save her over Kaidan for....reasons unknown. And most ME players are straight male so they would rather save attractive woman they can bang over Kaidan. Not to mention, Ash will be seen as more sympathetic because she's a woman. In any situation where you have to choose between a man or a woman, the female will usually win out. It's just backwards atavistic human nature. I'm pretty sure men want to live too. But we are seen as more disposable than women. And to be fair, they didn't add Kaidan to be bisexual from the start either (and possibly some of his cut dialogue). While solid, the MELE is a pretty lazy product that adds nothing new. So expecting Ash's conversations was asking for too much. The only thing worth mentioning is that the results between the VS are closer in MELE compared to the original release. Which is good more people are giving him a chance. But is still sad because Kaidan's writing is stronger and Ash amounts to a background prop. "expecting too much to have her dialog fixed by Bioware" yep, sad but true.
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