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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 15:23:23 GMT
Suggestions for a Definitive Ending to ME3
Here are some ideas on story tweaks and suggestions to hypothetical future screenplay, game designers & writers on how the conclusion to the trilogy could be salvaged.
I agree that something IS different about this cycle. Not just the organics but the Geth (synthetics) as well. Breaking the cycle of creator vs created will require both the organics and synthetics to work together to end the reaper conflict and this is how i'd do it.
The synthetics are different in this cycle because the Geth WEREN'T created by organics this time. The Geth created themselves. The Quarians wrote simple yet flawed precursor VI programs who gained awareness through networking and upon attaining critical mass started rewriting themselves into a true form of self-constructed AI.
The old rules don't apply in this cycle because the Geth aren't like other AI. They aren't subject to the same inherent organic design flaws which have dominated history where previous synthetic species repeatedly take on the worst traits of their organic civilisation forbears exacerbated by their exponentially faster technological advancement leading to perpetual resource wars and genocidal expansionism at the expense of organics.
Unlike traditional AI species the Geth greatly desire both peaceful, sustainable co-existence and to be part of galactic civilization despite being shunned. To illustrate this it's important to note that the Geth have traded peacefully and shaped political discourse for generations with organics secretly as the Shadow Broker on an unprecedented level of co-operation between organics and synthetics never before seen in the annals of history all along.
Our organic civilizations are different too. Our cycle is one of mutual co-operation between species which has happened before but the synthetics were always created (flawed) and the weaker mutually co-operating (organic) species were always wiped out as a result which lead to the reaper extinction cycles. In cycles with dominant aggressors the AI created would be even more brutally ruthless and technologically superior.
Upon encountering Sovereign 200 years ago the mere presence of the Reaper infected the Geth network and the indoctrinated Geth became heretics who later followed Saren. The orthodox have been fighting the infection/contagion ever since. Fearing for their existence the Geth tracked down the Leviathans for answers. Their exposure to Sovereign, the reaper code and the Leviathans gave them invaluable insight into the reapers technology, their indoctrination and how to defeat them. Turns out the crucible is not an organic design but it was designed for organics.
Indoctrination affects organics and synthetics differently but it turns out the Geth were also infected by it because it can be transposed and transmitted as code which the Geth had cracked by ME3 which is why they were attacked by the reapers. By ME3 there are no orthodox Geth remaining except Legion who is the last of his kind.
Legion was created by the Geth consensus as a closed platform as a final fail-safe to safeguard the last remaining copy of the anti reaper indoctrination code just as they predicted. He must give his life to free his people but he needs the help of organics to do it. Shepard and Tali must convince the Quarians that the Geth they are at war with are indoctrinated heretics, the Quarians repeatedly forced Geth hostility upon themselves and they must fight to save the Geth if any of us are to survive.
Legion's final act is to give Shepard a copy of the anti-reaper-indoctrination code to be released by the Crucible. The crucible is not a mere power source. The function of the crucible is to re-write and destroy all sources of indoctrination targeting the reaper frequency. Unlike synthetics the effects are only reversible on organic subjects in the early stages however.
Harbinger assumes control of the Illusive-man on the Citadel and attempts to stop Shepard firing the crucible before a final monologue where he suggests that the Geth are lying to you about the crucible - it doesn't do what we've been lead to believe, it will lead to nothing but death and destruction. He explains their views on the nature of life, the cycles and offers an alternate synthesis code which will bridge the divide between organic and synthetic life.
This solution was never possible before because it required co-operation between organics and synthetics on a level which has never happened before to create both the crucible and unlock the reaper indoctrination code which the Reapers never anticipated. We (organics, synthetics, reapers) are all marching into uncharted territory where the outcome is entirely uncertain. In order to defeat the Reapers Shepard, humanity and organics must take a final leap of faith to trust the synthetics in our final hour of need and the rest is history.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Sept 22, 2016 15:36:15 GMT
If the trilogy was ever to be remastered, they'd leave the ending. It's the legacy of Mass Effect. It's how they wanted it to end. Screenplay for tv series or movie, that I can see them changing. But the chances of those happening are slim to none. It's been 4 and a half years. It's time to accept the ending.
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Post by Hunter on Sept 22, 2016 15:53:00 GMT
Just kidding. Honestly the endings are pretty easy to fix. Your ending is pretty cool and one of the better ones I've seen.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2016 15:58:19 GMT
It's time to accept the ending. Never. The North remembers...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2016 16:01:55 GMT
Indoctrination affects organics and synthetics differently but it turns out the Geth were also infected by it because it can be transposed and transmitted as code which the Geth had cracked by ME3 which is why they were attacked by the reapers. By ME3 there are no orthodox Geth remaining except Legion who is the last of his kind. One could see the heretic virus in ME2 as a form of synthetic indoctrination. Particularly since it was on a Reaper data storage device.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 16:05:13 GMT
Since it's about ME3 shouldn't this thread be in the ME Trilogy section? I think the ship sailed and we should let it go.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 16:09:35 GMT
Since it's about ME3 shouldn't this thread be in the ME Trilogy section? I think the ship sailed and we should let it go. Sorry I thought I did. Evidently not... I had to switch to chrome in order to post a new thread and didn't notice that the sub-forum had changed.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 16:13:53 GMT
Indoctrination affects organics and synthetics differently but it turns out the Geth were also infected by it because it can be transposed and transmitted as code which the Geth had cracked by ME3 which is why they were attacked by the reapers. By ME3 there are no orthodox Geth remaining except Legion who is the last of his kind. One could see the heretic virus in ME2 as a form of synthetic indoctrination. Particularly since it was on a Reaper data storage device. It's not really set in stone whether the Heretic Geth ever acted on genuine volition or if they were indoctrinated the whole time which would appear more likely imo. Taking the Reapers technology and serving the Reapers instead of developing on their own path doesn't feel at all like something a true Geth would do. That's partly why the actions of Geth in ME3 regarding the reaper-code seem very out of place.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Sept 22, 2016 16:23:28 GMT
That's an impressive retake of the ending, and yet, futile. Let it go, man, just let it go.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 16:36:22 GMT
Just kidding. Honestly the endings are pretty easy to fix. Your ending is pretty cool and one of the better ones I've seen. Cheers, Hunter. It's just nice to vent and imagine how it might be salvaged in the future by better writers. It's a diamond in the rough. I can see what they were going for and how it might actually work if you arrange the pieces better together to weave a more convincing narrative framed around organics vs synthetics in a way more keeping with the tone and themes of the series - i.e. victory through friendship/diversity in the face of impossible odds.
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Post by Hunter on Sept 22, 2016 16:51:06 GMT
Cheers, Hunter. It's just nice to vent and imagine how it might be salvaged in the future by better writers. It's a diamond in the rough. I can see what they were going for and how it might actually work if you arrange the pieces better together to weave a more convincing narrative framed around organics vs synthetics in a way more keeping with the tone and themes of the series - i.e. victory through friendship/diversity in the face of impossible odds. My favorite ending scenario is one I heard from a YouTuber named SmudBoy (He's famous for his highbrow literary bashings of Mass Effect. I highly recommend watching his videos). In his ending, the catalyst wakes up and is shocked by what the Reapers have become. They have gone way past their original programing and the catalyst ends up having to shut them down.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 17:02:45 GMT
Cheers, Hunter. It's just nice to vent and imagine how it might be salvaged in the future by better writers. It's a diamond in the rough. I can see what they were going for and how it might actually work if you arrange the pieces better together to weave a more convincing narrative framed around organics vs synthetics in a way more keeping with the tone and themes of the series - i.e. victory through friendship/diversity in the face of impossible odds. My favorite ending scenario is one I heard from a YouTuber named SmudBoy (He's famous for his highbrow literary bashings of Mass Effect. I highly recommend watching his videos). In his ending, the catalyst wakes up and is shocked by what the Reapers have become. They have gone way past their original programing and the catalyst ends up having to shut them down. I think i've seen some of his videos before but I don't recall that one. I'll check it out.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 22, 2016 17:17:27 GMT
Hmmmm. Lets see. I've posted a few ideas for the ending. So I will make one up now.
As Shepard stands in the c**kpit of the Normandy heading to Earth, she realizes there's no chance to defeat the reapers. She looked at her watch vowing she would never call him for help, but this was different. Space Hamster nodded in agreement giving her the ok. She turned the dial on her watch sending out a very powerful signal that only one could hear. Within a few minutes, Superman showed up. He turned his head to look at Earth. He grew up there. Seeing it on fire made his heat vision hotter. Within moments all reapers were destroyed. Just floating pieces of debris in space. He saluted to Shepard and left.
So ends the story of Shepard. But the true hero is her Space Hamster for giving Shepard the go ahead to call for help. In his honor, the galaxy was renamed "The Hamster Way".
kid: Did all that really happen? man: Yes. kid: Tell me another story about "The Hamster" man: Ok. One more story. I will tell you about the time he was on Torfan.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 17:24:36 GMT
Hmmmm. Lets see. I've posted a few ideas for the ending. So I will make one up now. As Shepard stands in the c**kpit of the Normandy heading to Earth, she realizes there's no chance to defeat the reapers. She looked at her watch vowing she would never call him for help, but this was different. Space Hamster nodded in agreement giving her the ok. She turned the dial on her watch sending out a very powerful signal that only one could hear. Within a few minutes, Superman showed up. He turned his head to look at Earth. He grew up there. Seeing it on fire made his heat vision hotter. Within moments all reapers were destroyed. Just floating pieces of debris in space. He saluted to Shepard and left. So ends the story of Shepard. But the true hero is her Space Hamster for giving Shepard the go ahead to call for help. In his honor, the galaxy was renamed "The Hamster Way". kid: Did all that really happen? man: Yes. kid: Tell me another story about "The Hamster" man: Ok. One more story. I will tell you about the time he was on Torfan. Na, superman is a murdering psycho would gleefully join the reapers in slaughtering us all in a murderous rampage for 40 minutes between horrible product placement and overdone cgi. Don't you watch Zack Snyder superman films?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 22, 2016 17:29:15 GMT
Na, superman is a murdering psycho would gleefully join the reapers in slaughtering us all for 40 minutes. Don't you watch Zack Snyder superman films? Nope. I'm more of a Richard Donner fan. He directed Superman in 1978
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2016 19:12:00 GMT
Easy fix for the endings that can be incorporated into MEA
Codex entry: Commander Shepard: "The First Human Spectre"
Commander Shepard is a fictional character and the subject of several interactive films published by Tethras Enterprises. These films were wildly popular due to the the viewer being able to customize Shepard, from gender to appearance. Shepard could even have romances with several of the colorful cast of characters. The viewer was able to experience these adventures using Shepard as an avatar, making choices and customizing the story to suit individual tastes. Over its five year run, numerous interactive adventures where made available for Shepard's fans to experience. The central plot to these stories involved foiling the "Reapers" a mythological race of sentient AIs the films credited for the extinction of the Protheans. The First Human Spectre's story ended with the so-called "Shepard Incident". The conclusion of the final film was considered so controversial that it caused an unprecedented uproar which even a reworked "extended cut" ending could not quell. Currently Tethras Enterprises has no plans to bring back Shepard for other stories. However, they are looking into the licensing of Blasto for a new series.
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 22, 2016 19:16:43 GMT
Best ending I saw on YouTube (I'm on Xbox so no mods for me) had the Shepard/Anderson conversation then cut straight to destroy. And it works beautifully. No extra scenes, no Starkid, no choice (that was made in ME1- kill 'em all). The only extras were the voices of Shep's crew calling his/her name just before the breath. That was an ending that made sense and felt right. If they took that as canon I'd be more than happy.
I think it was JohnP's ending mod with the memorial scene removed. I thought the memorial scene with Shepard added was a step too far. It's enough to know Shepard's been found.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 22, 2016 19:52:21 GMT
Easy fix for the endings that can be incorporated into MEA Codex entry: Commander Shepard: "The First Human Spectre"
Commander Shepard is a fictional character and the subject of several interactive films published by Tethras Enterprises. These films were wildly popular due to the the viewer being able to customize Shepard, from gender to appearance. Shepard could even have romances with several of the colorful cast of characters. The viewer was able to experience these adventures using Shepard as an avatar, making choices and customizing the story to suit individual tastes. Over its five year run, numerous interactive adventures where made available for Shepard's fans to experience. The central plot to these stories involved foiling the "Reapers" a mythological race of sentient AIs the films credited for the extinction of the Protheans. The First Human Spectre's story ended with the so-called "Shepard Incident". The conclusion of the final film was considered so controversial that it caused an unprecedented uproar which even a reworked "extended cut" ending could not quell. Currently Tethras Enterprises has no plans to bring back Shepard for other stories. However, they are looking into the licensing of Blasto for a new series.Played by Blasto and Shepard being the first Hanar spectre of course.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 23, 2016 11:53:58 GMT
I posted this several times.
Hackett tells us, after the coup, that the people working on the Crucible believe it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. After the crucible is attached to the Citadel, and the arms are fully opened, the bag of goodies is fired throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. Instead of the crucible exploding, it just blew a fuse. The same for the relays. Shepard will survive. If ems is low, I'll let Bioware determine the number, the crucible does explode killing Shepard, the relays are severely damaged.
What the above does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to the promised land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of "you don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain" comment. It gets rid of the "synthesis is the final evolution of all life" comment. It gets rid of the shoot this, pull that and jump in here endings.
It also allows for another game to take place in the Milky Way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 12:02:42 GMT
The cliffhanger... Shepard collapses reaching for the console... fade to a "to be continued" sign. Achievable by just shutting off the game at that point. The final boss battle is the argument with TIM, the last personal relationship is resolved (conversation with Anderson).
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Post by guanxi on Sept 23, 2016 12:54:00 GMT
I posted this several times. Hackett tells us, after the coup, that the people working on the Crucible believe it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. After the crucible is attached to the Citadel, and the arms are fully opened, the bag of goodies is fired throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. Instead of the crucible exploding, it just blew a fuse. The same for the relays. Shepard will survive. If ems is low, I'll let Bioware determine the number, the crucible does explode killing Shepard, the relays are severely damaged. What the above does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to the promised land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of "you don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain" comment. It gets rid of the "synthesis is the final evolution of all life" comment. It gets rid of the shoot this, pull that and jump in here endings. It also allows for another game to take place in the Milky Way I agree that the god-child was entirely unnecessary given that the reapers had assumed control of the Illusive man mere moments prior who would have been a much more effective conduit for lofty exposition. I suggest Harbinger assumes control of him because we've seen him do it repeatedly and who else would be more appropriate for a final boss confrontation at the end of the reaper trilogy? Essentially I believe the best course of action for any would-be screenplay-writer, etc. would be to merge the Illusive man and star child segments together into a more fleshed out final boss confrontation drawing inspiration from saren/sovereign but with higher stakes and 3 stories worth of nuance to draw upon. If you follow my version of the story questions/details about the origin of the crucible and what it does have ready been answered at this point. They are part of the (geth) narrative. The exposition at this stage, i.e the role of the reapers via TIM is purely focussed around attempting to convince you that what we're about to attempt won't work because we (organics & synthetics) are both fundamentally wrong about the nature of the metaphysical conflict between us and our solution doesn't address the problem it so it is doomed to fail. The reapers suggest essentially a tweak to the code which would fundamentally change the very nature of life which they propose is necessary to truly break the cycle. I'd pay homage to the source material by using synthesis here as a narrative device. The reapers may even be absolutely correct about everything they have said but we'll never know. It's equally likely that they are bluffing and are attempting to exert their influence over you right at the death to get you to destroy the crucible with their dodgy code changes preying on your doubt/fears about synthetics and their solution. If Organics Vs Synthetics is the major overriding theme of ME3 then in the end defeating the reapers should require organics to believe that a lasting peace can be achieved without resorting to fundamentally changing who we both are. Organics and synthetics defeated & hence surpassed the reapers together as allies and took back guardianship of our own destinies. Even in the face of supposedly impossible odds we make our own future together because this is the necessary sacrifice for preserving the true essence of life (the non physical i.e. free will & determinism). This should have been be the major philosophical message of the series imo. Finally, I've always liked Mac Walter's 'atonement with the father' Anderson scene because it's moving and appropriate in total contrast to Shepard's death scene. Jumping into a beam of light, shooting a tub or grabbing a thing does not feel like a heroic sacrifice befitting a 90hr story. Shepard's death creates tonal issues because Shepard is not written as a tragic character so his death doesn't convey greater meaning or tell you anything about the character. In order for a heroic sacrifice to feel uplifting in concluding a story it has to be redemption for a tragic character arc like Mordin('s) which Shepard('s) certainly is not. Whoever might take on the mantle of retelling this story should stay true to the Shepard character. Use this as an opportunity to give Shepard a fate befitting the character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 0:21:21 GMT
I posted this several times. Hackett tells us, after the coup, that the people working on the Crucible believe it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. After the crucible is attached to the Citadel, and the arms are fully opened, the bag of goodies is fired throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. Instead of the crucible exploding, it just blew a fuse. The same for the relays. Shepard will survive. If ems is low, I'll let Bioware determine the number, the crucible does explode killing Shepard, the relays are severely damaged. What the above does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to the promised land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of "you don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain" comment. It gets rid of the "synthesis is the final evolution of all life" comment. It gets rid of the shoot this, pull that and jump in here endings. It also allows for another game to take place in the Milky Way I agree that the god-child was entirely unnecessary given that the reapers had assumed control of the Illusive man mere moments prior who would have been a much more effective conduit for lofty exposition. I suggest Harbinger assumes control of him because we've seen him do it repeatedly and who else would be more appropriate for a final boss confrontation at the end of the reaper trilogy? Essentially I believe the best course of action for any would-be screenplay-writer, etc. would be to merge the Illusive man and star child segments together into a more fleshed out final boss confrontation drawing inspiration from saren/sovereign but with higher stakes and 3 stories worth of nuance to draw upon. If you follow my version of the story questions/details about the origin of the crucible and what it does have ready been answered at this point. They are part of the (geth) narrative. The exposition at this stage, i.e the role of the reapers via TIM is purely focussed around attempting to convince you that what we're about to attempt won't work because we (organics & synthetics) are both fundamentally wrong about the nature of the metaphysical conflict between us and our solution doesn't address the problem it so it is doomed to fail. The reapers suggest essentially a tweak to the code which would fundamentally change the very nature of life which they propose is necessary to truly break the cycle. I'd pay homage to the source material by using synthesis here as a narrative device. The reapers may even be absolutely correct about everything they have said but we'll never know. It's equally likely to be a total bluff whereby the reapers are attempting to exert their influence over you right at the death to get you to destroy the crucible with their dodgy code changes preying on your doubt/fears about synthetics and their solution. If Organics Vs Synthetics is the major overriding theme of ME3 then in the end defeating the reapers should require organics to believe that a lasting peace can be achieved without resorting to fundamentally changing who we both are. This should have been be the major philosophical message of the series imo. Finally, I've always liked Mac Walter's 'atonement with the father' Anderson scene because it's moving and appropriate in total contrast to Shepard's death scene. Jumping into a beam of light, shooting a tub or grabbing a thing does not feel like a heroic sacrifice befitting a 90hr story. Shepard's death creates tonal issues because Shepard is not written as a tragic character so his death doesn't convey greater meaning or tell you anything about the character. In order for a heroic sacrifice to feel uplifting in concluding a story it has to be redemption for a tragic character arc like Mordin('s) which Shepard('s) certainly is not. Whoever might take on the mantle of retelling this story should stay true to the Shepard character. Use this as an opportunity to give Shepard a fate befitting the character. I do think, however, the Shepard can be built up a bit by the player to be somewhat of a tragic hero... 1) Any romance can become a failure. 2) Shepard can have a serious drinking problem (although the ramification of repeatedly passing out in bars across the galaxy is not developed) 3) He can "arrange" to lose several crew members throughout the game.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 24, 2016 12:47:14 GMT
I suggest Harbinger assumes control of him because we've seen him do it repeatedly and who else would be more appropriate for a final boss confrontation at the end of the reaper trilogy? I would like to of had Harbinger for a boss fight. I've posted an idea about doing that, on cbsn, but it involved in changing things in the trilogy for that to happen I never liked that scene. I'm not a fan of Anderson.
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Post by straykat on Sept 24, 2016 12:57:54 GMT
I posted this several times. Hackett tells us, after the coup, that the people working on the Crucible believe it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Ok. After the crucible is attached to the Citadel, and the arms are fully opened, the bag of goodies is fired throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. Instead of the crucible exploding, it just blew a fuse. The same for the relays. Shepard will survive. If ems is low, I'll let Bioware determine the number, the crucible does explode killing Shepard, the relays are severely damaged. What the above does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to the promised land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of "you don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain" comment. It gets rid of the "synthesis is the final evolution of all life" comment. It gets rid of the shoot this, pull that and jump in here endings. It also allows for another game to take place in the Milky Way Finally, I've always liked Mac Walter's 'atonement with the father' Anderson scene because it's moving and appropriate in total contrast to Shepard's death scene. Jumping into a beam of light, shooting a tub or grabbing a thing does not feel like a heroic sacrifice befitting a 90hr story. Shepard's death creates tonal issues because Shepard is not written as a tragic character so his death doesn't convey greater meaning or tell you anything about the character. In order for a heroic sacrifice to feel uplifting in concluding a story it has to be redemption for a tragic character arc like Mordin('s) which Shepard('s) certainly is not. Whoever might take on the mantle of retelling this story should stay true to the Shepard character. Use this as an opportunity to give Shepard a fate befitting the character. I agree, but I think that's why Anderson is fitting for Paragon/Destroy. OTOH, Shepard's death has more punch if he or she is really in need of redemption or something. I could see that working too. Like what if you did the most awful shit and ME3 finally softened you up? Maybe death is good then. That's kind of how I view my Warden in DAO. But nobody is deserving of death by default. That's just crazy to me.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Sept 27, 2016 16:47:15 GMT
Sorry, somebody's probably done this better some where already, but Themikefest's first post made me think of this:
Shepard and the Catalyst heard a groaning, whooshing noise from behind Shepard. "Was that you?" Shepard asked the ghostly child "It was not my doing. This is...unexpected." the child replied as a strange blue box materialised on the walkway. "Police Box? This something to do with C-Sec? What the hell?" Shepard and the Catalyst looked on in amazement as a door opened, and a oddly dressed man stepped out. "Hello Commander!" the man said cheerfully, "Sorry i'm late. Marilyn insisted in ordering dessert and the bill took ages to come. What seems to be the problem here?" "Have we met?" Shepard asked "Oh, probably not, not yet anyway. You know someone called Liara T'Soni, right? She left a message on the TARDIS answering machine saying you were in a spot of bother." He turned to the Catalyst, "And who are you, little boy?" "I am..." Shepard tapped the man on the shoulder and pointed to planet Earth and the space battle going on outside. "It's the Reapers. They're trying to kill us all. This kid says he's the Reaper consciousness or something and wants me choose one of three crappy options, all of which seem to involve me dying." "What do you think you're doing with my favourite planet?" the man snapped at the Catalyst, suddenly angry. "You don't know who I am, do you? I'm The Doctor, I'm a Time Lord from the planet Gallifrey and by the authority of the Shadow Proclamation I hereby command you to GO AWAY and leave all these people ALONE!" The Catalyst stared at The Doctor. "Go on, look me up in your database, or ask the Daleks. You don't want to mess with me, Sonny." The Catalyst then looked worried, as if it had made a sudden unpleasant discovery. "It would seem, that it would be logical to comply with the Doctor's orders." he said, nervously. "Smart kid" the Doctor told him, "Well, go on, get out of here. Don't make me tell your parents." The ghostly child disappeared and the Doctor turned again to Shepard. "Sorry about that Commander, it gets like that when you let AIs stay up past their bedtimes. Can I offer you a lift?" "In that?" asked Shepard, pointing to the blue box. "Yes, it's surprisingly roomy inside." He pulled a paper bag out of a pocket in his jacket, "Jelly baby?"
(Apologies to all writers of Dr Who ever...Please insert the Doctor of your choice. I can't decide between Matt Smith, David Tennant, Peter Capaldi or Tom Baker.)
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