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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 15, 2017 13:49:35 GMT
So, of all the cinematic deaths we see a body to confirm it's death. With Alec (both times) they decide to fade to black. Where at least the 2nd time they could have shown the body. I suppose in both cases fading to black makes sense as Ryder is going into a unconscious state, while Alec is well dying. However, BioWare as brought people back from the dead, before: Leliana and Shepard. They've also used misdirection in promotional material before such as Blackwall, Solas and Ellen Ryder saying she "died"-even in the codex it says she died on Earth at first. How could this be possible? Well, we know that its possible to bring someone back from the dead with Project Lazarus. This could be possible with the Benefactor it seems that the Benefactor as connections all over the place. Consider that the A.I. has blueprints to the Normandy SR2 that was constructed in secret by Cerberus. How did A.I. even get those plans? Benefactor? So, it's possible he/she/it also managed to bring over Project Lazarus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:52:09 GMT
Gods, I hope not. I am not a big fan of graves with revolving doors.
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Post by Serza on Aug 15, 2017 16:24:54 GMT
While I hope he's not done within the story, I hope he is dead.
Seriously. Content with him can continue to be memory-based, via SAM. He can still be strongly referenced at countless points, and SAM comparing Sara/Scott with dear old dad is just one of the possibilities in that.
I hope we'll hear, but not see (other than a funeral), more of him.
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Post by Hawke on Aug 15, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
I don't think Ashley Williams'/Kaidan Alenko's death was shown either. Just in case, I'd prefer Ryder Sr. to be and stay dead.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 16, 2017 4:28:40 GMT
If he's not dead, it would be incredibly contrived. He was breathing the same toxic air that nearly killed someone much younger and healthier.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 16, 2017 5:06:46 GMT
There's no chance he's alive. He presumably didn't wander off gagging on the oxygen-depleted air. He fell near his child, and was recovered when he or she was. That's why their is zero ambiguity in anyone's mind in-game that he's dead. They have the corpse, and presumably did whatever 22C humans do with corpses in space. (I know it's the 29C, but the crew are 22C peoples.) Maybe he's frozen for study? Who can say? I'm certain that he's dead, though.
Aside from the O2 depleted atmosphere, he also abruptly severed his connection to SAM. We know that this leads to death, since it's outright stated in-game.
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Post by Serza on Aug 16, 2017 9:37:08 GMT
If he's not dead, it would be incredibly contrived. He was breathing the same toxic air that nearly killed someone much younger and healthier. ...and much less badass There's no chance he's alive. He presumably didn't wander off gagging on the oxygen-depleted air. He fell near his child, and was recovered when he or she was. That's why their is zero ambiguity in anyone's mind in-game that he's dead. They have the corpse, and presumably did whatever 22C humans do with corpses in space. (I know it's the 29C, but the crew are 22C peoples.) Maybe he's frozen for study? Who can say? I'm certain that he's dead, though. Aside from the O2 depleted atmosphere, he also abruptly severed his connection to SAM. We know that this leads to death, since it's outright stated in-game. All things considered, SAM untangled himself when the link was transferred. I don't think he died because of SAM transfer, but just the air.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2017 14:13:24 GMT
There's no chance he's alive. He presumably didn't wander off gagging on the oxygen-depleted air. He fell near his child, and was recovered when he or she was. That's why their is zero ambiguity in anyone's mind in-game that he's dead. They have the corpse, and presumably did whatever 22C humans do with corpses in space. (I know it's the 29C, but the crew are 22C peoples.) Maybe he's frozen for study? Who can say? I'm certain that he's dead, though. Aside from the O2 depleted atmosphere, he also abruptly severed his connection to SAM. We know that this leads to death, since it's outright stated in-game. They have the corpse? Is there an explanation why my Ryder couldn't ask to see his body? I like for my Ryder to say goodbye. Have some bit of closure. Why couldn't Carlyle give a straight answer when asked how he died? Saying he died like a hero is not a cause of death.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 16, 2017 14:55:34 GMT
There's no chance he's alive. He presumably didn't wander off gagging on the oxygen-depleted air. He fell near his child, and was recovered when he or she was. That's why their is zero ambiguity in anyone's mind in-game that he's dead. They have the corpse, and presumably did whatever 22C humans do with corpses in space. (I know it's the 29C, but the crew are 22C peoples.) Maybe he's frozen for study? Who can say? I'm certain that he's dead, though. Aside from the O2 depleted atmosphere, he also abruptly severed his connection to SAM. We know that this leads to death, since it's outright stated in-game. They have the corpse? Is there an explanation why my Ryder couldn't ask to see his body? I like for my Ryder to say goodbye. Have some bit of closure. Why couldn't Carlyle give a straight answer when asked how he died? Saying he died like a hero is not a cause of death. Especially coming from a doctor. I would think that Carlyle would have a more rational explanation then a heart explanation. He seemed like he would rather have the conversation end then explain what happened. Also, Cora and Liam's reaction to Ryder was rather strange as well. Like we can't tell him/her the truth.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 16, 2017 19:52:26 GMT
They have the corpse? Is there an explanation why my Ryder couldn't ask to see his body? I like for my Ryder to say goodbye. Have some bit of closure. Why couldn't Carlyle give a straight answer when asked how he died? Saying he died like a hero is not a cause of death. Especially coming from a doctor. I would think that Carlyle would have a more rational explanation then a heart explanation. He seemed like he would rather have the conversation end then explain what happened. Also, Cora and Liam's reaction to Ryder was rather strange as well. Like we can't tell him/her the truth. Haha. If you say so. I didn't take it that way, but that's entirely subjective. I choose to trust the info that the game gives me, because it matches observable facts. You choose to remain skeptical. Neither is a bad way to have fun. themikefest, we could ask the same thing about a myriad of other things. "Why couldn't I do X, or say Y, or experience Z." I don't think it makes this particular case anymore suspicious. They simply didn't prioritize visiting Alec's body. I agree that visiting a closed space-casket or pod, and getting to say a few words, could've been really poignant. I'd have definitely implemented it, if it were my decision. (Of course, others would bitch because they put words into Ryder's mouth that their Ryder didn't feel. No one did the same about the autodialogue concerning mom. I always thinks it's odd that people want their Ryder to have daddy issues, but not mommy issues. Tangent concluded.)
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2017 20:18:42 GMT
themikefest , we could ask the same thing about a myriad of other things. "Why couldn't I do X, or say Y, or experience Z." I don't think it makes this particular case anymore suspicious. I would have made it an option at least. I would be curious why they did that? Since you brought up the mother. In the memory, is that the last time the kids see mom? If so, wasn't there a funeral or at least some kind of service for her? Did Bioware feel is wasn't a priority to mention anything about a funeral and just have the player fill in the blanks? Did dad somehow arrange for a fake funeral or service letting the kids believe mom's body was cremated and had a urn full of nothing? Both are surprised to learn mom is in cryo.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 16, 2017 21:28:05 GMT
themikefest , we could ask the same thing about a myriad of other things. "Why couldn't I do X, or say Y, or experience Z." I don't think it makes this particular case anymore suspicious. I would have made it an option at least. I would be curious why they did that? Since you brought up the mother. In the memory, is that the last time the kids see mom? If so, wasn't there a funeral or at least some kind of service for her? Did Bioware feel is wasn't a priority to mention anything about a funeral and just have the player fill in the blanks? Did dad somehow arrange for a fake funeral or service letting the kids believe mom's body was cremated and had a urn full of nothing? Both are surprised to learn mom is in cryo. Yeah, there are a lot of unanswered questions about how Alec managed his scam. I told myself that he faked a cremation and funeral. I imagine that cremation, or something similarly expedient, would be more common with a 22C world population. That's just my personal imagination filling in the blanks, though. It's completely unaddressed in-game. I wonder if more scenes would've been added if they'd not been so far behind. They did completely overlook a funeral, or even party acknowledgement, for Thane. It's possible that no amount of time would've made them see the value in funerals or the like. I think visiting Alec's coffin would've made the loss more real. Ryder bounces back pretty rapidly. We have to imagine the pain he or she is feeling, rather than seeing it demonstrated at all. I don't want depressing, but more acknowledgment would've been appropriate and helpful.
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Post by melbella on Aug 17, 2017 3:26:32 GMT
Dad's in cryo under an assumed name.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 17, 2017 4:57:59 GMT
Dad's in cryo under an assumed name. Alec Ryder... He's sneaky.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 17, 2017 5:25:45 GMT
Dad's in cryo under an assumed name. Arthur Reilly. Initials AR meaning....wait for it.......Alec Ryder.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 17, 2017 13:37:06 GMT
I don't think Ashley Williams'/Kaidan Alenko's death was shown either. We last saw Ash/Kaidan wounded and pinned down near the bomb, seconds before the nuke detonated. It's extremely doubtful that they survived or escaped being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion. Rana Thanoptis mentions in ME2 that she barely managed to get to safety, even with Shepard giving her a headstart and managing to find some kind of vehicle to try to clear the blast radius. (Although Kaidan's adamantium hairdo might have survived)
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2017 18:27:22 GMT
I think Alec is alive. A twist here could be that he was captured by the kett and turned into one of them. To me, no body and no memorial service isn't an accident.
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Post by melbella on Aug 19, 2017 18:47:20 GMT
I think Alec is alive. A twist here could be that he was captured by the kett and turned into one of them. To me, no body and no memorial service isn't an accident. I just can't imagine that everyone would leave him there when they already had to grab Ryder from the same spot. That just doesn't make sense. But grabbing Alec and sticking him in cryo, then lying to Ryder about him being dead? That I can see, especially given the shifty-eyed looks from Cora and others when Ryder wakes up. That was my first impression when playing early access. I really felt Ryder was being lied to, even by SAM.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 19, 2017 20:15:55 GMT
I think Alec is alive. A twist here could be that he was captured by the kett and turned into one of them. To me, no body and no memorial service isn't an accident. I just can't imagine that everyone would leave him there when they already had to grab Ryder from the same spot. That just doesn't make sense. But grabbing Alec and sticking him in cryo, then lying to Ryder about him being dead? That I can see, especially given the shifty-eyed looks from Cora and others when Ryder wakes up. That was my first impression when playing early access. I really felt Ryder was being lied to, even by SAM. We don't necessarily know what Alec "deleted" or kept away from Sam. I think though BioWare has a backdoor because we don't necessarily have a body; all we have is a helmet.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 3:40:30 GMT
Of course there's a chance. Just another opportunity for the writers. That's all MEA was. Nothing was decided so anything can happen.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 21, 2017 7:15:57 GMT
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 22, 2017 19:16:51 GMT
Alec is the benefactor... Fixed that for you But seriously, no. Alec is as dead as this game. Too soon?Ryder's was taken from the surface and I assume Dad's corpse was as well, since he was standing right beside you. Or maybe they left him there since the radiation would do something to the body or didn't have time for a proper burial due to the Shitstorm the trip has been from that moment.
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