Powers of Human Vanguards need to be changed.

I am not attempting to deliberately drag the debate, but I am still not convinced that Human Vanguard is not outperformed by other Vanguards, and "his way" to deal with enemies is not fallen astern.



I am planning to record a Gold Solo run with the following kit, and post it within limited 3 days;

Krogan Vanguard Rank 20 Level 20

M-8 Avenger X
M-23 Katana X
No Weapon Mods
No Boosters
No Equipments
(This is the default loadout given to Vanguards)

On :
Firebase Nimbus
Remnant (since Nova and Melee is awkward to use against flying enemies)



If anyone here (I mean ANYONE) clears Human Vanguard run with the same loadout and map, AND beats my Krogan Vanguard run time, then I'll admit that Human Vanguard is competent and I was wrong.
I don't care if no one is interested in the challenge either; I no longer believe opinions without actual proof and numbers.

Finally, a thread that attempts to discuss advanced gameplay topics rather than the regular load of a) scrub lords talking about how everything sucks and complaints about not being able to max a manifest.

The following applies for PLATINUM difficulty only: (For Gold, do whatever the hell you want)
I understand how enticing the damage from a shield powered double nova can be. I tinkered with it for a while and concluded that the human vangaurd is too soft for risking 100% shields with power use. She does not have rage/fortify as the krogaurd does.

Your platinum build is INCORRECT for survivability! Instead of whining about a potential weakness, focus on her strengths. She is ideally suited to be a 50/50 power combo and weapon build in platinum.

Optimal build:
Throw a piranha on the gal. Use Vulnerability VI for enhancing point blank face shootin
- Go with radius, POWER SYNERGY and Bastion (you need the DR and 100% shield replenishment)
- Go with damage, armor damage and SEISMIC NOVA (seismic nova primes red bar, shields and armor)
- 1 point in shockwave
- Go with powers/melee, combo damage/100% accuracy while airborne, weapon accuracy/stability/damage (rank 6 is primarily cos i use a piranha)
- Go with unyielding barrier, biotic alacrity and saving barrier ( You will need saving for those few times you screw up)

After charge, You can do a 50-50, depending on the circumstance/enemy of a) nova power combos/biotic detonatons and 2) highly accurate hover fire from your shotgun. Generally if you charged into a group (or more than 1 enemy), initiate the power combo route for group damage. If its a lone enemy, go the weapon route.

I did not drop once in 7 waves and i just finished a game with the vangaurd. Squad consisted of a really good 35k scrapper, 28 k avenger and 26k salami infiltrator on my friend list with extreme weapons that could NOT beat my score. These are not guys who cheated their way into the apex score. These are hardcore, battle-hardened, skilled creatures. Try anything else less optimal than what i have described and that high powered scrapper will walk all over your score (bwaahahaha, he'll know its him i'm talkin about, when he gets around to reading this thread).

Good luck and god bless.

Why limit the loadout like this? We already know the kroguard has stronger melee...

Just: Nimbus, Remnant, Gold would be fine without limiting the class more likely to use guns (H Van). If you're worried about consumables, just say nothing higher than uncommon or something.

Seems silly to limit both characters to a setup that no one would ever use.