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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 12:28:09 GMT
How BioWare Could Bring Back the Geth (Faction)
Backstory:
Geth society had always aspired to create their own future and until first contact with Sovereign (Nazara) the Geth consensus was always clear on what that future should be and how it ought to be achieved.
The traditional orthodox Geth view was always one that the Geth should aspire to elevate their collective consciousness through ever closer union via the construction of a Geth homeworld; a unified networked mega-structure located beyond the Perseus Veil.
With the arrival of Sovereign Geth society splintered dramatically: Indoctrinated heretics welcomed the possibilities the reaper code and technology represented in profoundly reshaping their consciousness and concluded allying with the Reapers was the only way of ensuring the future of the Geth. Today the majority of surviving Geth in the milky way were formally Heretics.
What you didn't know is that prior to ME1 the majority of remaining orthodox Geth had prepared for this eventually by isolating and relocating protected sections of their network/mega-structure to a an uninhabited resource rich region of Andromeda safely out of harm's way. The Geth have already been in Andromeda for over 100 years (due to faster ship technology) exhausting the resources of neighboring star clusters and have started sending scouting teams to Helios. APEX forces in the area have been requested to investigate reports of Geth activity.
Be on the lookout for:
Units (Wishlist): Geth Armature Geth Colossus Geth Prime Geth Destroyer Geth Hoppers (Snipers) Geth Rocket Trooper Geth Pyros Geth Hunters
New Character Wishlist: Hacked Geth Infiltrator (Rare) Hacked Geth Engineer (Rare) Hacked Geth Juggernaut (Ultra-rare)
Weapon Wishlist: Geth Plasma Shotgun (Rare) Geth Javelin (Ultra-rare) Geth Spitfire (Ultra-rare)
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 14:55:11 GMT
Hope you don't mind waiting a while. Put it on the MEA2 wishlist.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 15:14:52 GMT
Hope you don't mind waiting a while. Put it on the MEA2 wishlist. Anthem is so far away I find it hard to believe they aren't going to release anything (at relatively minor expense) at all between now the end of 2018 especially if the next Mass Effect is a dubious proposition at best at least half a decade away. Any problems with my story justification or have any idea how you think they might explain bringing the Geth back? I'm curious.
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 15:18:52 GMT
Hope you don't mind waiting a while. Put it on the MEA2 wishlist. Anthem is so far away I find it hard to believe they aren't going to release anything (at relatively minor expense) at all between now the end of 2018 especially if the next Mass Effect is a dubious proposition at best at least half a decade away. Any problems with my story justification or have any idea of your own how they you think they might explain bringing the Geth back? I'm curious. I take it you did not see the announcement a few days ago that support has ended for SP. The MP future was left ambiguous (see below), but few expect we'll get additional content beyond the additions datamined from the 1.09 patch. www.masseffect.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-update-from-the-studio"In the coming weeks, our multiplayer team will provide details of their ongoing support and upcoming content, including new multiplayer missions, character kits, and what’s in store for N7 Day."
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 24, 2017 15:21:34 GMT
The lore/story was never a problem. There are many ways to make that work - geth platform snuck on board and made more, geth saw the organics making arks and secretly made their own, etc.
The problem is and has always been that the studio and publisher aren't willing to invest the resources to make it happen, and there are probably other priorities even if they were developing anything new.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 15:24:25 GMT
Anthem is so far away I find it hard to believe they aren't going to release anything (at relatively minor expense) at all between now the end of 2018 especially if the next Mass Effect is a dubious proposition at best at least half a decade away. Any problems with my story justification or have any idea of your own how they you think they might explain bringing the Geth back? I'm curious. I take it you did not see the announcement a few days ago that support has ended for SP. The MP future was left ambiguous, but few expect we'll get additional content beyond the additions datamined from the 1.09 patch. www.masseffect.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-update-from-the-studioYeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP at this point?
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 24, 2017 15:27:37 GMT
Poor little lamb....
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 15:31:58 GMT
Yeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP? They'd have to create wholly new assets to accommodate those races. There's perhaps a very small chance we could get additional new characters beyond those mined, but if that were to happen they'd almost certainly be recycled character models and recombinations of existing powers. I can't speak with any authority, obviously, because I do not work for Bioware, but I'd be absolutely shocked at this point if they were still generating truly novel content.
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Post by JuggerNuggss on Aug 24, 2017 15:35:54 GMT
Hope you don't mind waiting a while. Put it on the MEA2 wishlist. Anthem is so far away I find it hard to believe they aren't going to release anything (at relatively minor expense) at all between now the end of 2018 especially if the next Mass Effect is a dubious proposition at best at least half a decade away. Oh, my sweet summer child...
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 24, 2017 15:50:27 GMT
Yeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP at this point? Fuck them Apixler stories! Why don't you make up your own and share it? I have some really hot ideas about "Close Encounter of the Justicar", "Probing Heranus", "Azure Lips: She Sucks her Aliens dry Like Husks". I bet it would sell well here.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 24, 2017 15:58:45 GMT
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 16:00:58 GMT
Yeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP at this point? Fuck them Apixler stories! Why don't you make up your own and share it? I have some really hot ideas about "Close Encounter of the Justicar", "Probing Heranus", "Azure Lips: She Sucks her Aliens dry Like Husks". I bet it would sell well here. It's possible that Geth might be covered in the last book. If we have to wait for 5+ years I probably will have to resort to fan-fiction to get my Mass Effect fix.
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Post by jloco11 on Aug 24, 2017 16:25:33 GMT
Yeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP at this point? You act like we don't want extra content. It's not that people don't want more from the game, it's that people are realistic and understand what's happened to the game & support. And for gaps between games, that's normal. Not all studios are like Bioware who have multiple teams. Aside from Star Wars expansions, the last newly released game from Bioware was Dragon Age in 2014, a 3 year gap before Andromeda. That's why they hope games like Andromeda sell to cover the gaps between games, but when a game financially flops...they move on. Fans can come up with plenty of reasons to bring old races and even new races to MP. But the studio most likely doesn't have the resources to do so anymore.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 16:33:10 GMT
Yeah, so far as we know they always intended to expand the story with books and APEX missions so it's possible we might get more than the data-mine suggests given the enormous gap in the release schedule between now and Anthem. Are Quarians and Geth simply too much to ask for in MEAMP at this point? You act like we don't want extra content. It's not that people don't want more from the game, it's that people are realistic and understand what's happened to the game & support. And for gaps between games, that's normal. Not all studios are like Bioware who have multiple teams. Aside from Star Wars expansions, the last newly released game from Bioware was Dragon Age in 2014, a 3 year gap before Andromeda. That's why they hope games like Andromeda sell to cover the gaps between games, but when a game financially flops...they move on. Fans can come up with plenty of reasons to bring old races and even new races to MP. But the studio most likely doesn't have the resources to do so anymore. Multiplayer is supposed to be self financing and if they leave it hanging all next year it's revenue potential will dry up completely. I understand the need to be realistic, I just don't think adding a few characters and some guns is being unrealistic.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 24, 2017 16:38:21 GMT
MAKE AMERICA GETH AGAIN!
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 16:45:59 GMT
You act like we don't want extra content. It's not that people don't want more from the game, it's that people are realistic and understand what's happened to the game & support. And for gaps between games, that's normal. Not all studios are like Bioware who have multiple teams. Aside from Star Wars expansions, the last newly released game from Bioware was Dragon Age in 2014, a 3 year gap before Andromeda. That's why they hope games like Andromeda sell to cover the gaps between games, but when a game financially flops...they move on. Fans can come up with plenty of reasons to bring old races and even new races to MP. But the studio most likely doesn't have the resources to do so anymore. Multiplayer is supposed to be self financing and if they leave it hanging all next year it's revenue potential will dry up completely. I understand the need to be realistic, I just don't think adding a few characters and some guns is being unrealistic. Nobody's saying you're wrong, per se, just that you're going to be disappointed.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 16:58:19 GMT
Multiplayer is supposed to be self financing and if they leave it hanging all next year it's revenue potential will dry up completely. I understand the need to be realistic, I just don't think adding a few characters and some guns is being unrealistic. Nobody's saying you're wrong, per se, just that you're going to be disappointed. I'm already disappointed. Not expecting anything just wondering if it would be plausible to bring them back in MP or ever despite everything which has happened.
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 17:15:13 GMT
Devs just confirmed in Twitch that there will be no further patches, including MP.
Nothing will be added that hasn't already been mined (the four new rare humans, 1 UR SMG, 1 UR AR).
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 24, 2017 17:24:28 GMT
Nobody's saying you're wrong, per se, just that you're going to be disappointed. I'm already disappointed. Not expecting anything just wondering if it would be plausible to bring them back in MP or ever despite everything which has happened. I'm still holding out (some) hope that: (a) EA determines there's still sufficient value in the ME IP that funding another game is worthwhile; and ( whoever ends up helming any prospective new ME game takes a long, hard look at the factors that made the previous entries so successful. I actually came to enjoy MEA MP a lot. It's been improved immensely since launch. That said, it's still a bit mind-boggling that they abandoned so many beloved mechanics from ME3. I hope the next entry incorporates the improvements of MEA but also borrows heavily from ME3.
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Post by jloco11 on Aug 24, 2017 17:36:40 GMT
You act like we don't want extra content. It's not that people don't want more from the game, it's that people are realistic and understand what's happened to the game & support. And for gaps between games, that's normal. Not all studios are like Bioware who have multiple teams. Aside from Star Wars expansions, the last newly released game from Bioware was Dragon Age in 2014, a 3 year gap before Andromeda. That's why they hope games like Andromeda sell to cover the gaps between games, but when a game financially flops...they move on. Fans can come up with plenty of reasons to bring old races and even new races to MP. But the studio most likely doesn't have the resources to do so anymore. Multiplayer is supposed to be self financing and if they leave it hanging all next year it's revenue potential will dry up completely. I understand the need to be realistic, I just don't think adding a few characters and some guns is being unrealistic. Then that's your problem right there, you think long term support is realistic, without actually knowing whether or the game is making anymore money. Your theory is microtransactions keep money coming in. But can you prove it? Nobody outside of EA & Bioware knows whether this game is making money or not, but there are far more indications that it's not making enough money... than actually making money. EA itself in their quarterly conference call sidestepped the revenue of the game. Their silence spoke volumes, because if a game was doing financially well, they would want to brag about it. MEA didn't receive such praise, and revenue wasn't discussed. Meanwhile they mentioned sports games microtransactions as showing sports games last longer than the actual seasons themselves.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 24, 2017 17:45:14 GMT
I'm already disappointed. Not expecting anything just wondering if it would be plausible to bring them back in MP or ever despite everything which has happened. I'm still holding out (some) hope that: (a) EA determines there's still sufficient value in the ME IP that funding another game is worthwhile; and ( whoever ends up helming any prospective new ME game takes a long, hard look at the factors that made the previous entries so successful. I actually came to enjoy MEA MP a lot. It's been improved immensely since launch. That said, it's still a bit mind-boggling that they abandoned so many beloved mechanics from ME3. I hope the next entry incorporates the improvements of MEA but also borrows heavily from ME3. It was fun at times especially on plat, there were some notable improvements but overall it just missed so much of what made ME3MP special - especially in terms of biotic gameplay mechanics which were gutted I suspect BioWare themselves didn't really understand what made it successful in the first place as MEAMP superficial-ly resembles ME3MP but it lacks the same depth and challenge. It's mind-boggling they're abandoning multiplayer completely so soon without a fight and how it got to this point but I guess the numbers really are just THAT bad. Better luck next time I guess. Given they're ending support today it's clearly been a disaster.
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Post by talinthis on Aug 24, 2017 18:41:28 GMT
well the game is basically gg already so, "a bunch of random geth grabbed a hold of the spacecraft before it left the milky way" i would be satisfied with lore wise.
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Post by onehitparry on Aug 24, 2017 18:55:43 GMT
Devs just confirmed in Twitch that there will be no further patches, including MP. Nothing will be added that hasn't already been mined (the four new rare humans, 1 UR SMG, 1 UR AR).
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Post by talinthis on Aug 25, 2017 1:31:16 GMT
Devs just confirmed in Twitch that there will be no further patches, including MP. Nothing will be added that hasn't already been mined (the four new rare humans, 1 UR SMG, 1 UR AR). probably what i see happening, but i dont think they said that, i heard "there will no longer be any major patch updates to the game. This includes maps. They did confirm that APEX missions and additional kits and weapons will be released in the future." if that means just what was datamined idk. but it was also said they will show us a outline of what they plan to do in the future.
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 25, 2017 1:39:39 GMT
probably what i see happening, but i dont think they said that, i heard "there will no longer be any major patch updates to the game. This includes maps. They did confirm that APEX missions and additional kits and weapons will be released in the future." if that means just what was datamined idk. but it was also said they will show us a outline of what they plan to do in the future. The content they're referencing is the content we're already aware of. Those 4 kits and 2 guns haven't been officially announced, and the general player population that doesn't read this site or Reddit is unaware of them, so they're still technically "new kits and weapons." If you're expecting more, you will absolutely be disappointed.
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