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Post by opuspace on Sept 26, 2016 14:07:03 GMT
Honestly I always find it much eeasier to headcannon when a character has a more defined voice then a less defined voice. Probably the second leading cause of my headcanons and my preferebility to certain characters. I gotta get a hint from you then since Hale's slutty tone when talking to Jacob really gets to me. How do you headcannon your way around that one? That's why a lot of female players avoided Jacob like the plague. Hale's delivery may have had more emotion, but it fit the situation. Someone insults her, her tone is going to be irritated. With Jacob, there was no build up, no reason to feel flirty towards him. It's just as annoying as for some male players whose Male Shep got all breathy and star-eyed around Liara in ME3 on Mars. Despite their male Shep already having a girlfriend that isn't Liara, made it clear they didn't like her that way and never will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 14:53:35 GMT
I gotta get a hint from you then since Hale's slutty tone when talking to Jacob really gets to me. How do you headcannon your way around that one? That's why a lot of female players avoided Jacob like the plague. Hale's delivery may have had more emotion, but it fit the situation. Someone insults her, her tone is going to be irritated. With Jacob, there was no build up, no reason to feel flirty towards him. It's just as annoying as for some male players whose Male Shep got all breathy and star-eyed around Liara in ME3 on Mars. Despite their male Shep already having a girlfriend that isn't Liara, made it clear they didn't like her that way and never will. Female players or FemShep players? Male players or MaleShep players? Meer's delivery... does hint at being breathy and, I agree, that's a little annoying is also a little easier to put off as something else - breathless from the battle beforehand, for example and it's really limited to him just saying her name unless she was romanced and backs off to be strictly business once Liara acknowedges the VS. I agree, that line could have been delivered differently... and the whole game would have been improved if Bioware did not push the Liara romance option so hard in general. However, some tough girls I know just don't bother to react to being insulted... but it's a little tough to roleplay FemShep that way if that's what the player wants to do. That's my point about my reaction to her delivery - really good if you're OK with playing the "default" FemSheip personality (which is a popular personality among the players, I admit), but not so great if you want to deviate from that characterization.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 26, 2016 16:16:16 GMT
Femshep sounding like she's in heat around Jacob is part of what makes the Jacobmance so hilarious and enjoyable. She really wanted his Alabama black snake by the sound of it.
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 26, 2016 17:07:18 GMT
Honestly I always find it much eeasier to headcannon when a character has a more defined voice then a less defined voice. Probably the second leading cause of my headcanons and my preferebility to certain characters. I gotta get a hint from you then since Hale's slutty tone when talking to Jacob really gets to me. How do you headcannon your way around that one? Simply avoid Jacob like the plague. You're not missing much.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 26, 2016 18:18:01 GMT
Female players or FemShep players? Male players or MaleShep players? Meer's delivery... does hint at being breathy and, I agree, that's a little annoying is also a little easier to put off as something else - breathless from the battle beforehand, for example and it's really limited to him just saying her name unless she was romanced and backs off to be strictly business once Liara acknowedges the VS. I agree, that line could have been delivered differently... and the whole game would have been improved if Bioware did not push the Liara romance option so hard in general. However, some tough girls I know just don't bother to react to being insulted... but it's a little tough to roleplay FemShep that way if that's what the player wants to do. That's my point about my reaction to her delivery - really good if you're OK with playing the "default" FemSheip personality (which is a popular personality among the players, I admit), but not so great if you want to deviate from that characterization. Female players rolling as Femshep. Male players playing as Male Shep. And sure, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to someone. There's a lot of things a PC will say in such a way that won't be liked by other players. I don't think it's unique to just Shepard though. I pointed out the Jacob and Liara moments because there was no context to support that kind of response to a teammate. It was a very specific reaction to a general situation. Interpretation is a vital thing to maintain, I agree. But some emotion can help immensely with immersion in a story. I tried to play with a male Shep and his voice ran over the lines so fast and flat in the first game that I couldn't stay with the character. Even if he was playing the stoic, there are specific inflections that can imply what someone who is reserved will tolerate and what they won't. Saying "No" firmly can imply that the matter is over, don't push it with him. If he said it without emphasis, almost absentmindedly, I'd wonder if he's even paying attention. Sadly, Meer had the latter's effect on me. He sounded too off for me to stay immersed with Shepard's character as a guy. Hale definitely had some flubs in her style as well, it was just less disruptive. But that's personal taste. I do believe Meer improved greatly as time went on and was equal to Hale's quality by the third game.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 26, 2016 18:21:13 GMT
Femshep sounding like she's in heat around Jacob is part of what makes the Jacobmance so hilarious and enjoyable. She really wanted his Alabama black snake by the sound of it. That did help immensely with a specific Shepard I had in mind! No wonder Jacob's romance was a fun one for Renegade Femshep!
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 26, 2016 21:01:44 GMT
Femshep sounding like she's in heat around Jacob is part of what makes the Jacobmance so hilarious and enjoyable. She really wanted his Alabama black snake by the sound of it. That did help immensely with a specific Shepard I had in mind! No wonder Jacob's romance was a fun one for Renegade Femshep! Same for mine, Kaidan was no longer around and giving her attitude, and the alternatives are frog man and bone lizard with his literal boner, so that explains why she was so excited for space mandingo.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2016 21:46:06 GMT
Honestly I always find it much eeasier to headcannon when a character has a more defined voice then a less defined voice. Probably the second leading cause of my headcanons and my preferebility to certain characters. I gotta get a hint from you then since Hale's slutty tone when talking to Jacob really gets to me. How do you headcannon your way around that one? I don't, I embrace the sluttyness. Seriously. My first PT with Abigail I would run up to a character, do all their romance dialog with them, and then reload and have a normal conversation. I never comitted to anyone. So I headcanoned and reasoned that my Shepard, who left Kaidan behind on Virmire, fell for the guy but felt that in the circumstances Ashley was the one she had to save for the good of the mission and so she swore off compromising herself like that emotionally again. So, in my headcanon, and keep in mind this is the first head canon I EVER did was that she used flirting as kind of a weird defense mechanism, a way of distancing herself from her people and yet keeping them close. Her crew was her family. But she did not want to develop romantic feelings for them. Until James Vega came along of course.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 27, 2016 5:06:05 GMT
Sometimes I let FemShep flirt with Jacob and simply lead him on and like an idiot he took the bait. You learn more about Cerberus and his attitude about them and Alliance, more of his run with the Batarians and his previous relationship with Miranda. I especially like how Shepard turned the dial back from flirty to complete ice queen. But even the language he uses, he thought nothing about sleeping around with his female bosses and treat her as an acquisition, the prize. Did he think it was really that easy?
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 27, 2016 12:06:31 GMT
I gotta get a hint from you then since Hale's slutty tone when talking to Jacob really gets to me. How do you headcannon your way around that one? Simply avoid Jacob like the plague. You're not missing much. Between femShep's tone and Jacob's "the priize" lines, you're missing quite a bit of unintentional parody. Really, everyone should've seen it once. Just don't take it seriously.
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 27, 2016 12:10:11 GMT
But even the language he uses, he thought nothing about sleeping around with his female bosses and treat her as an acquisition, the prize. Did he think it was really that easy? Given femShep's tone, you can't really blame him for thinking it would be easy Also, it appeared to me she thought likewise. So really, just a bit of good old fun in the sack on a suicide mission, for both of them. It's the parts that suggested it was intended to be more that feel incongruous, and the contrast in tone that makes the whole thing feel like a parody.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 13:32:57 GMT
Sometimes I let FemShep flirt with Jacob and simply lead him on and like an idiot he took the bait. You learn more about Cerberus and his attitude about them and Alliance, more of his run with the Batarians and his previous relationship with Miranda. I especially like how Shepard turned the dial back from flirty to complete ice queen. But even the language he uses, he thought nothing about sleeping around with his female bosses and treat her as an acquisition, the prize. Did he think it was really that easy? I'm playing a FemShep right now that has actively wanted to flirt with Jacob from the start and I've made the dialogue selections accordingly. The line ithis time around, which asks for a personal conversation, is softer and not quite as suggestive as the line I mentioned before, which is "I'm just interested in talking for a bit." Hint tag changes to "Let's just talk, Personal." and FemShep says "Let's just talk for a bit. Unofficial. You and me." Jacob response right now is something like "We've got a good thing going, let's not push it." However, to get to those lines, FemShep had to really abandon any thought of staying loyal to Kaidan long before the argument with him on Horizon. I'm actually wondering if Bioware didn't make a mistake in editing and inserted the two lines of Hales vice versa to how they were intended.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 13:35:59 GMT
Simply avoid Jacob like the plague. You're not missing much. Between femShep's tone and Jacob's "the priize" lines, you're missing quite a bit of unintentional parody. Really, everyone should've seen it once. Just don't take it seriously. I'm not missing the parody... my point was that IF the player wants to do something else with how they characterize their FemShep, the strong inflection in Hale's voice makes that more difficult. I also said, waaay back in my first post that her inflection was sometimes a good thing and sometimes not so good a thing... and that I merely prefered Meer... @everyone - Why am I taking such heat for this???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 14:17:43 GMT
Female players or FemShep players? Male players or MaleShep players? Meer's delivery... does hint at being breathy and, I agree, that's a little annoying is also a little easier to put off as something else - breathless from the battle beforehand, for example and it's really limited to him just saying her name unless she was romanced and backs off to be strictly business once Liara acknowedges the VS. I agree, that line could have been delivered differently... and the whole game would have been improved if Bioware did not push the Liara romance option so hard in general. However, some tough girls I know just don't bother to react to being insulted... but it's a little tough to roleplay FemShep that way if that's what the player wants to do. That's my point about my reaction to her delivery - really good if you're OK with playing the "default" FemSheip personality (which is a popular personality among the players, I admit), but not so great if you want to deviate from that characterization. Female players rolling as Femshep. Male players playing as Male Shep. And sure, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to someone. There's a lot of things a PC will say in such a way that won't be liked by other players. I don't think it's unique to just Shepard though. I pointed out the Jacob and Liara moments because there was no context to support that kind of response to a teammate. It was a very specific reaction to a general situation. Interpretation is a vital thing to maintain, I agree. But some emotion can help immensely with immersion in a story. I tried to play with a male Shep and his voice ran over the lines so fast and flat in the first game that I couldn't stay with the character. Even if he was playing the stoic, there are specific inflections that can imply what someone who is reserved will tolerate and what they won't. Saying "No" firmly can imply that the matter is over, don't push it with him. If he said it without emphasis, almost absentmindedly, I'd wonder if he's even paying attention. Sadly, Meer had the latter's effect on me. He sounded too off for me to stay immersed with Shepard's character as a guy. Hale definitely had some flubs in her style as well, it was just less disruptive. But that's personal taste. I do believe Meer improved greatly as time went on and was equal to Hale's quality by the third game. I would be reluctant to identify the reactions has a, IRL gender-related trend. I'd be surprised if it was mostly IRL males identifying Shep's "Liara" as being overtly "breathy." I would think that the stereotypical male would hardly notice it... but, hey, I'm an old fart... what do I know about "kids" today. Grew up around guys who would drool over about anything in a skirt... and whistling at someone you thought was particularly fine wasn't something you could get fired for doing. (... and please that that comment in the light-hearted way it is intended. Thanks.)
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 27, 2016 17:14:07 GMT
Given femShep's tone, you can't really blame him for thinking it would be easy Also, it appeared to me she thought likewise. So really, just a bit of good old fun in the sack on a suicide mission, for both of them. It's the parts that suggested it was intended to be more that feel incongruous, and the contrast in tone that makes the whole thing feel like a parody. Honestly, the thought of Cerberus spying on Shepard's every move on the Normandy make me think twice about the whole sleeping around thing in ME2. I always back out last minute because I can't bear putting my bae through such indignity. Plus, its kinda inconsiderate since most of the crew were kidnapped and there's a possibility of them being turned into reaper smoothie... but the Commander need to get laid first. Besides, she could handle being sexually-frustrated for a few months until she got her man back. I like playing ME2 with FemShep being a straight up angry cold b*tch.
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 27, 2016 18:16:57 GMT
Between femShep's tone and Jacob's "the priize" lines, you're missing quite a bit of unintentional parody. Really, everyone should've seen it once. Just don't take it seriously. I'm not missing the parody... my point was that IF the player wants to do something else with how they characterize their FemShep, the strong inflection in Hale's voice makes that more difficult. I also said, waaay back in my first post that her inflection was sometimes a good thing and sometimes not so good a thing... and that I merely prefered Meer... @everyone - Why am I taking such heat for this??? My post was not intended to "give you heat". Just a comment. Also, I agree that femShep's inflexion is sometimes good and sometimes not so good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 19:35:59 GMT
I'm not missing the parody... my point was that IF the player wants to do something else with how they characterize their FemShep, the strong inflection in Hale's voice makes that more difficult. I also said, waaay back in my first post that her inflection was sometimes a good thing and sometimes not so good a thing... and that I merely prefered Meer... @everyone - Why am I taking such heat for this??? My post was not intended to "give you heat". Just a comment. Also, I agree that femShep's inflexion is sometimes good and sometimes not so good. Sorry - That last part was just cause I was feeling a little ganged up upon... confused about why my original comments generated so many other responses.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 27, 2016 19:53:05 GMT
My post was not intended to "give you heat". Just a comment. Also, I agree that femShep's inflexion is sometimes good and sometimes not so good. Sorry - That last part was just cause I was feeling a little ganged up upon... confused about why my original comments generated so many other responses. Sorry about making you feel like you were being harshly criticized. Problem with text based answers is that tone gets muddled up a lot. More often, I'm compulsively answering without anger or annoyance and I don't realize how harsh it sounds until after the fact.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 27, 2016 21:24:16 GMT
Sometimes I let FemShep flirt with Jacob and simply lead him on and like an idiot he took the bait. You learn more about Cerberus and his attitude about them and Alliance, more of his run with the Batarians and his previous relationship with Miranda. I especially like how Shepard turned the dial back from flirty to complete ice queen. But even the language he uses, he thought nothing about sleeping around with his female bosses and treat her as an acquisition, the prize. Did he think it was really that easy? It was in the case of my femshep, but he shouldn't flatter himself too much over that though, as he only got the prize because he was the only passable option.
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Post by Natashina on Sept 28, 2016 2:31:15 GMT
Okay, that comment made me laugh. It reminds me of the Weird Al song, "Good Enough for Now."
My main objection to Jacob is...his name. No, really. I didn't consider him for a romance after that, and not due to any metagaming. Jacob is a family name in my family and a fairly common one. Couple of cousins as well as one of my brothers. FemShep saying, "I'd rather just talk for a bit," to him in that semi-flirty tone creeps me out. Silly, but true.
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