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Post by ddrguy300 on Aug 31, 2017 3:03:03 GMT
As per JRandall0308's request, new thread.
So... I've been trying to think of how to explain why people like myself express ourselves the way we do about the state of the game, past and present.
I'd like to start with this youtube video. It's this guy on youtube I watch because he's entertaining, smart, and talks about investment type stuff through mostly MTG cards (though the video is talking about the pokemon tcg.
But give it a listen and open your mind to the dialogue beyond just the specific topic he's on, though he does a pretty good job of that himself at the beginning. Think of how the common themes can translate to this hobby/medium:
A list of conclusions and inferences from the video related to this game:
1) We're upset because we care. He makes that pretty well known early on. And those upset the most are those that care the most for whatever their reasons are for caring as much as they do. But speaking from both personal experience and a bit of educated/empathetic guessing, it comes from a place of searching (either passively or actively) for something of meaning and stability in a world of meaninglessness and instability, both of which together are a function of sanity.
2) Another theme toward the end of the video is the idea of acceptance of the things out of your control and that also used to be of something of great importance and meaning to you. So we're splintered into two groups: Those who have accepted and those who fight that acceptance. Those who have accepted the change already moved on. Good for them. I envy that ease of being able to accept something so quickly. So why do others fight it?
Take the poem "Dying of the Light." Imagine Michael Kane reading it if you happened to have seen Interstellar. It's a near perfect metaphor. There are the wise men who know better in their old age (those moving on) and then there are those that feel the rage against the dying of the light (the pessimists/realists).
3) Why do we rage? And as another member brought into question, if we care about the game so much but behave in a way that may, even just a little big, keep people from playing or drive a small portion away, why would we? Well I think I know why. It's perhaps to spare other parties the disappointment we experienced. Those we rarely do drive away are spared the first hand realization of another disappointment: Disappointment being the what something has to offer being less than what is advertised, whether explicit or implicit.
Admittedly, this is me trying to find the motivation after the action, but it makes sense. Think about a hobby you used to enjoy but no longer do for whatever reason, or quite simply whose pros are outweighed by the cons now, because of changes out of your control that made it less enjoyable: Would you recommend it to a friend? No, you would want them to avoid it so that you don't put them in the position of the disappointment you experienced.
You don't want them to be sucked in by whatever marketing tactics successfully recruit new players or keep present ones or even continue to make money on something that doesn't deserve to be making the money it does anymore. Because it's a net false perception/negative gain to the person.
In addition to that false perception, more "dying of the light" type behavior comes from fighting against the thing that you can't control. In this case, what you can't control is the bs of Bioware (I'll skip the list). Calling them out on these false perceptions/net negatives is this "dying of the light' type behavior, rather than just accepting the bs.
Hopefully some of that made sense. Maybe others will either add to this skeleton of an argument and/or challenge something and then I can build on that some more.
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 31, 2017 3:12:26 GMT
Comparing this to the death of a close relative seems a little extreme. And the analogy breaks down because while the death was inevitable, the decision whether to continue support was completely in the control of at least one of the devs or the publisher. And while we're on the analogy, it was the devs/publisher's own fault for killing the game with bullshit like Lootpocalypse, UR character cards x20, etc.
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Post by Transcended One on Aug 31, 2017 7:47:38 GMT
I acknowledge your pain, former-east-germany-guy, but maybe, since this is the millionth topic from you complaining about 1.09, it is time to give it a rest. Stop playing completely. It's hard at first, but will get more bearable over time, I promise! Take a sabbatical or something. Go find yourself again, or try to find the answer to life, the universe, and everything else.
There is NOTHING you can do about the loot expansion. It is there to stay, either deal with it or move along. We all know that you care too deeply to give up, but think about yourself once in a while, since this is obviously tearing your soul apart.
And for Magic: The Gathering, it's a trading card game, where lootpocalypse is a fundamental element of the game. You either try to collect them all (or just certain blocks, since there's probably still a new block each year), or just get specific cards which work well in your deck. You also know in advance that by opening booster packs you're bound to get a lot of useless common cards.
Anyhow, speaking of Magic, I started collecting for a bit in 1995, the Ice Age-block, containing the worst series of them all: Homelands. That block was relatively weak compared to the original edition and it's two expansions because of "balance". Nothing overpowered at all... So maybe there actually is a small comparison to MEA after all...
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Post by Kenny Bania on Aug 31, 2017 7:57:05 GMT
Move on guy.
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Post by ddrguy300 on Aug 31, 2017 9:19:06 GMT
I acknowledge your pain, former-east-germany-guy, but maybe, since this is the millionth topic from you complaining about 1.09, it is time to give it a rest. Stop playing completely. It's hard at first, but will get more bearable over time, I promise! Take a sabbatical or something. Go find yourself again, or try to find the answer to life, the universe, and everything else. There is NOTHING you can do about the loot expansion. It is there to stay, either deal with it or move along. We all know that you care too deeply to give up, but think about yourself once in a while, since this is obviously tearing your soul apart. And for Magic: The Gathering, it's a trading card game, where lootpocalypse is a fundamental element of the game. You either try to collect them all (or just certain blocks, since there's probably still a new block each year), or just get specific cards which work well in your deck. You also know in advance that by opening booster packs you're bound to get a lot of useless common cards. Anyhow, speaking of Magic, I started collecting for a bit in 1995, the Ice Age-block, containing the worst series of them all: Homelands. That block was relatively weak compared to the original edition and it's two expansions because of "balance". Nothing overpowered at all... So maybe there actually is a small comparison to MEA after all... You're kind of inflating my point well beyond what I'm trying to say. This is my taking a stab at how MANY people feel about the game's history and present state and why, not just myself. And It's not just 1.09, but anyway...
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Post by Transcended One on Aug 31, 2017 10:12:00 GMT
I acknowledge your pain, former-east-germany-guy, but maybe, since this is the millionth topic from you complaining about 1.09, it is time to give it a rest. Stop playing completely. It's hard at first, but will get more bearable over time, I promise! Take a sabbatical or something. Go find yourself again, or try to find the answer to life, the universe, and everything else. There is NOTHING you can do about the loot expansion. It is there to stay, either deal with it or move along. We all know that you care too deeply to give up, but think about yourself once in a while, since this is obviously tearing your soul apart. And for Magic: The Gathering, it's a trading card game, where lootpocalypse is a fundamental element of the game. You either try to collect them all (or just certain blocks, since there's probably still a new block each year), or just get specific cards which work well in your deck. You also know in advance that by opening booster packs you're bound to get a lot of useless common cards. Anyhow, speaking of Magic, I started collecting for a bit in 1995, the Ice Age-block, containing the worst series of them all: Homelands. That block was relatively weak compared to the original edition and it's two expansions because of "balance". Nothing overpowered at all... So maybe there actually is a small comparison to MEA after all... You're kind of inflating my point well beyond what I'm trying to say. This is my taking a stab at how MANY people feel about the game's history and present state and why, not just myself. And It's not just 1.09, but anyway... Like Kenny said in one of his famous one-liners just above: Just move on. You made yourself perfectly clear ever since 1.09, and you know just as well as I do that nothing is going to change. Opening topics like this complaining about "not just 1.09" won't help you, nor anyone else. There's no need to keep over-analysing the feelings of MANY people.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 31, 2017 11:18:02 GMT
You still don't think you've gotten your point across? O.o
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 31, 2017 11:44:54 GMT
First of all, y'all told him to make a separate thread about this. Now h did and you're still giving him shit. It's not like these forums are too fast or anything, if you don't like it put him on ignore.
I think the OP is needlessly melodramatic but I agree with him. 1.09 was the dumbest thing they could have done and there's no amount of times that's too much for them to hear that.
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Post by inert on Aug 31, 2017 13:47:41 GMT
Thread where masochists congregate?
A lot of challenge points/apex rating in this thread.
Don't mind me, just being cheeky....
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Post by kikkai on Aug 31, 2017 14:37:58 GMT
I agree with your op ddrguy, though I'm surprised at the effort post on such a trifling game.
I haven't really played games at all since meamp failed me. Gaming isn't really a hobby of mine anymore, strangely enough, so I can relate to the level of disappointment.
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 31, 2017 16:10:43 GMT
First of all, y'all told him to make a separate thread about this. Now h did and you're still giving him shit. It's not like these forums are too fast or anything, if you don't like it put him on ignore. I think the OP is needlessly melodramatic but I agree with him. 1.09 was the dumbest thing they could have done and there's no amount of times that's too much for them to hear that. Agreed on both counts: - He created this thread because we asked, and it's clearly labeled as what it is; - 1.09 was a fucking atrocity.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 31, 2017 18:17:20 GMT
This is what counts as giving someone shit nao? O.o
Damn... our standards have changed.
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Post by poultrymancer on Aug 31, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
This is what counts as giving someone shit nao? O.o Damn... our standards have changed. Hey. Hey, you. Yeah, you. FUCK YOU!!!
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Post by derrame on Aug 31, 2017 19:53:16 GMT
MEA is done. Put hopes and feedback on the next ME game
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Post by skauron on Aug 31, 2017 20:13:29 GMT
now that it is the 'cold light of day' period post 1.09 and knowing what we know now, it gives you a small sense of understanding as to why 1.09 seemed to everyone to be a complete loot card fest all at once. and felt like it was overwhelming. I think given more time, they may have introduced these variants in waves, same with the veteran class ranks. The situation on their side though may have been much more different, they'd probably been already told the cut-off date for support before 1.09, and they had all those projects for weapons/vet ranks in progress, so they figured release them all and then do final mop up with 1.10 that they could, but by then studio closed, then team merged with another team in new studio.
Yes there was more factors, but i'm just commenting on the one thing that left the bitter taste when 1.09 hit in full.
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Post by skauron on Aug 31, 2017 20:20:31 GMT
I should add though, at first i was really disheartened too by the volume of new loot cards in 1.09. Prior to that patch i was maxed on common/uncommon and rare cards and really was just mostly chasing after UR cards for my duelist and I had no ultra rare characters above rank IV or V, but my duelist was lagging behind.
SINCE 1.09 though, rather than sitting and moping about it, I cracked on with it, and now again, i'm maxed on common and uncommon (weapons and chars), and i'm maxed on Rare characters, and i'm about 154 cards away from maxing my rares. I've got all my UR's to rank 10 and have unlocked my veteran ranks now.. and my duelist is now XVI and the others are only 1-3 cards behind that.
So mt sense of feeling overwhelmed it much less now, but it took game-after-game-after-game on gold and sometimes silver when the gold lobbies never seemed to happen.
So in the end, the only advice based on my own actions and results is 'just get on with it!'
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Post by gethadept on Aug 31, 2017 20:29:50 GMT
MEA taught me that I can only care about things until I care. I stop caring about MEAMP.. and now I am having fun doing other stuffs.
There was time I raged, complained and made suggestions. Now I just don`t care. I hear new update with the game.. but it does not excite me even a little bit.
The point I am trying to make is that... we tried what we could as much as we could. The developer made the series of choices and MEAMP is at where it is now.
We either move on... or stop expecting greater things out of it. We have to. No point talking about MEAMP anymore unless we are strictly talking about gameplay itself.
Mass Effect has been buried underground, and MEAMP will see no real improvement whether it is needed or not.
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Post by pheabus2005 on Aug 31, 2017 20:31:19 GMT
It's about time, really. I spent a lot of time on this game too but I did the same with DAIMP in the past, had some fun moments yet overall just too much effort too little satisfaction. When Destiny 2 drops in October I'm gonna uninstall this game to free up some HDD space, not a fan of the D2 community but at least that game offers way more consistent experience, talking about lag/gameplay bugs.
Then again, no hard feelings here, because I can always play some good old ME3MP if I feel nostalgic.
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Post by n7vorcha on Aug 31, 2017 22:08:01 GMT
not played for nearly a week until earlier. Player base is even smaller than before and my first and only match froze on wave 6. Guess I'll try again tomorrow.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 1, 2017 11:21:19 GMT
Do we really need a specific thread for people to complain...that's nearly every thread created since launch. And really what's the "point," nothing is going to change. Either people like the game well enough to continue playing with it's shortcomings, or they don't...in which case they ought to move on.
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