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Post by opuspace on Sept 5, 2016 17:33:51 GMT
Abnocte Blackwall still changed to a different person, turned from who he used to be to save people. Perhaps the message of redemption could be a good one. Problem is that the outcomes are too diverse for that to be possible. And we don't know what makes Solas' reasons for dropping the veil necessary. Still, it's nice to muse about if various companions had more sway with each other.
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Post by Entropy on Sept 5, 2016 19:49:00 GMT
opuspace Well, I only played Trespasser once with an Inquisitor that befriended Solas, and he does says that he would like to be proven wrong. So I take that spending time with the Inquisition's people changes him... but just not enough to make him turn from his objective. After all he thinks tearing down the Veil will save his people... In my previous post I was thinking more about a encounter between the Blackwall and Solas where the first tries to convince him to deviate from his plan... now I start to think that I interpreted your question way too literally... Sorry, english is not my native language and sometimes I misinterpret things...
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Post by opuspace on Sept 5, 2016 20:32:38 GMT
opuspace Well, I only played Trespasser once with an Inquisitor that befriended Solas, and he does says that he would like to be proven wrong. So I take that spending time with the Inquisition's people changes him... but just not enough to make him turn from his objective. After all he thinks tearing down the Veil will save his people... In my previous post I was thinking more about a encounter between the Blackwall and Solas where the first tries to convince him to deviate from his plan... now I start to think that I interpreted your question way too literally... Sorry, english is not my native language and sometimes I misinterpret things... Woah, I wouldn't have guessed English isn't your native language. Nice. I'm betting there's a lot more than what we just have with Solas' plan and things may be more dire than it seems. It'd be hypocrisy on my Inquisitor not to try to convince Solas to spare the world when she believed in Blackwall's redemption. Too bad Blackwall's redemption theme only has weight through player intervention.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Sept 7, 2016 17:53:22 GMT
opuspace I like to think they did settle down eventually but I never got further than that in my musings. I do think that Solas and Blackwall had a sort of friendship, but I don't think Blackwall could say or do anything to sway Solas. Even an Inquisitor who romances him can't do that. He is going to do what he has planned everyone else be damned. But that is a discussion for another thread 
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 8, 2016 22:54:33 GMT
I let Celene die and put Gaspard on the throne. Blackwall greatly disapproved twice  I don't know what it is but disapproval from Blackwall hits me hard, man.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 9, 2016 6:38:31 GMT
Witchcoktor! You're here! Eeeeee! (Sorry, I'm just so excited to see another Blackwall fan from the past here!)
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 9, 2016 8:56:49 GMT
Yes, I'm here again, whining about the fact that my male inquisitors can't even flirt with that magnificent manly beard creature. And repost this cute sketch! 
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Post by opuspace on Sept 9, 2016 18:36:44 GMT
I let Celene die and put Gaspard on the throne. Blackwall greatly disapproved twice  I don't know what it is but disapproval from Blackwall hits me hard, man. Just spoil him with Warden artifacts and he'll forgive you! And I'm sorry you're unable to romance him. If I could, I'd give you console mods to do so.
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 9, 2016 18:58:50 GMT
I let Celene die and put Gaspard on the throne. Blackwall greatly disapproved twice I don't know what it is but disapproval from Blackwall hits me hard, man. Just spoil him with Warden artifacts and he'll forgive you! And I'm sorry you're unable to romance him. If I could, I'd give you console mods to do so. Now ordinarily that'd be the thing to do but I've already gone and collected them all.. OH WELL, I'll just.. make some choices he'll be happy about to make up for it! There are still a few so I can pick up our relationship where it wassss! As tempting as that sounds, I don't want to support sexuality changing mods (even though Blackwall's sexuality has never been OFFICIALLY confirmed) because I don't want women banging Dorian (even if I'd GLADLY trade Dorian for women even for a bi Blackwall!!!). I'm hoping that the next DA (or really any game with a romance-mechanic) has a grizzly, hairy, masculine warrior-type gay dude (I'll take bi, too, of course) similar to Blackwall and who smells of sweat and... wood...  FINGERS CROSSED! But, I do headcanon that while a lot of players generally say Dorian is their Inquisitor's BFF, Blackwall is mine. He is my straight best friend!
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Post by opuspace on Sept 9, 2016 19:21:08 GMT
Mods are...controversial for a lot of understandable reasons. I agree with you that changing characters to suit personal preferences carries a disturbing implication that the canon is not acceptable and that people cannot be allowed to be themselves around others in real life. On the other hand, since mods are by nature, private and doesn't interfere with other people's playthroughs, would it be terrible to headcanon that it's a parallel universe out of multiple possibilities? Is it still disrespectful to try a mod out for the sake of curiosity and perhaps wish fulfillment without having any negative carryover in real life? Or is it still too risky in encouraging the wrong mindset? Either way, it's wonderful getting to talk about him with fellow fans
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 9, 2016 21:04:37 GMT
Well, I let other people have the freedom to mod the game as they want, and have personal (private) headcanons of their own. But I also have the freedom to not enjoy and criticize others if I deem their mods and personal headcanons that they've shared with the open world of internet to be, well, I don't like using the word but, problematic. And when I say '' not enjoy '' and '' criticize '' I do not mean death threats or cyberbullying. Mostly just ignore it and wag my finger internally and move on, and if it's especially bad and up-in-my-face, blocking, if it's an option.
I want to respect the characters as who they are, and metagaming has some importance in my playthroughs. Not having the ability to bend everyone to your own will, and modify their preferences, can be a good thing, even if it's bittersweet, like my dear Blackwall not wanting this gorgeous Qunari D (yeah, if I had my way, I would totally romance Blackwall with a sweet, innocent, shy but tall and musclebound Qunari. WOOF!)
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Anyway, back on topic. I'm totally sad that Blackwall doesn't get as much love, especially when how I see it, he becomes extremely attached to the Inquisitor (if you befriend him) and just, looks up to them so much. So much admiration from him to the Inquisitor (if you make the right choices) and it feels so good. And it's genuine! Not to mention he IS one of the easiest persons to get approval with, it's like BW is pushing you to the loving arms of Blackwall, really! People don't respect his friendship!
He is like a little brother to the Inquisitor, really!
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Post by opuspace on Sept 9, 2016 23:24:44 GMT
That's really admirable, witchcocktor. It's worth thinking over carefully should I ever go stir crazy with trying out mods for the first time.
And yes! He's so easy to please that it takes conscious effort to tick him off. The Inquisitor I had at the time did so many things I disapproved of that I applauded Blackwall for walking out in disgust. But lord was it hard to sit through that withering tone he had!
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 10, 2016 10:22:27 GMT
I don't know, as I said, it's not out of my enjoyment if someone wants to mod sexualities, but it does bother me when I see it right in front of me and I have to acknowledge that it exists lol. In general, I'd be wary of posting about sexuality modded playthroughs online. Though nobody will care if you mod a straight companions sexuality, but it gets troublesome if you mod Sera or Dorian. That's hypocritical though, and that's why I can't really mod Blackwall aside from just respecting the character BW has made and playing the game with the rules they've set up. - - - I would cry if I got Blackwall's disapproval scene, though that's pretty hard to get when you think about it... Unless you are a complete monster! I always aim for Solas' disapproval scene no matter who I play, though. Kek.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 10, 2016 18:10:34 GMT
I don't know, as I said, it's not out of my enjoyment if someone wants to mod sexualities, but it does bother me when I see it right in front of me and I have to acknowledge that it exists lol. In general, I'd be wary of posting about sexuality modded playthroughs online. Though nobody will care if you mod a straight companions sexuality, but it gets troublesome if you mod Sera or Dorian. That's hypocritical though, and that's why I can't really mod Blackwall aside from just respecting the character BW has made and playing the game with the rules they've set up. - - - I would cry if I got Blackwall's disapproval scene, though that's pretty hard to get when you think about it... Unless you are a complete monster! I always aim for Solas' disapproval scene no matter who I play, though. Kek. I like that. I really do. It's a fair standard and it's respectful.  As for Blackwall's disapproval scene, you do get to see some impressive animation of Blackwall's sword work. He's really fast with it! Now you have me curious as to why you like irking Solas. Solas gives out approval like PEZ candy! He's a hard one to anger.
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 10, 2016 19:25:17 GMT
I don't know, as I said, it's not out of my enjoyment if someone wants to mod sexualities, but it does bother me when I see it right in front of me and I have to acknowledge that it exists lol. In general, I'd be wary of posting about sexuality modded playthroughs online. Though nobody will care if you mod a straight companions sexuality, but it gets troublesome if you mod Sera or Dorian. That's hypocritical though, and that's why I can't really mod Blackwall aside from just respecting the character BW has made and playing the game with the rules they've set up. - - - I would cry if I got Blackwall's disapproval scene, though that's pretty hard to get when you think about it... Unless you are a complete monster! I always aim for Solas' disapproval scene no matter who I play, though. Kek. I like that. I really do. It's a fair standard and it's respectful. As for Blackwall's disapproval scene, you do get to see some impressive animation of Blackwall's sword work. He's really fast with it! Now you have me curious as to why you like irking Solas. Solas gives out approval like PEZ candy! He's a hard one to anger. Basically. And in all honesty, a modded Blackwall is not Blackwall. It's all make-believe as well, and I can't get invested in that AT ALL. - - - I just... despise Solas? I think he looks ridiculous, he sounds incredibly annoying and is overall a piece of shit with no redeeming qualities. Now, that's not to say I think he is a bad character. He is a great character but I just hate his guts and hope I can skin him alive and wear his skin as a pelt in DA4. It also helps that Solas' fanbase isn't really the most charming one either. Oh I disagree, Solas is SUPER EASY to anger. You just disagree with everything he says (and I actually ACTUALLY do, for real, most of the time), side with Templars/conscript the mages and when you get to Skyhold, you immediately get his disapproval scene. It's basically mandatory at this point for all my Inquisitors to hate him, even if it wasn't necessarily in their character to do so. A bit sad metagaming on my part. But once I had an Inquisitor who didn't get along with Solas at all, I think I got the disapproval scene, and then during/after the Halamshiral quest, I made decisions he was happy about, and started racking up some approval. Then Temple of Mythal happened and I made decisions he approved of again. And there our friendship started blossoming, I was able to do his quest, and suddenly I have Solas' approval scene in the balcony. IT WAS WEIRD but sorta sweet as well, how you can tarnish your friendship but then salvage it at the very end. It was rather fitting!
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Post by opuspace on Sept 10, 2016 22:53:20 GMT
True, Dorian wouldn't be Dorian to me if he showed romantic interest in women. Same for Sera liking guys that way. And woah. I got the opposite impression of Solas. I liked that he was careful to consider both sides of a situation, cared about helping other people and was a gentleman to Lavellan. His romance struck me as similar to Blackwall's, just with a different conclusion. Maybe that's why I can't hate him, he's too similar in some ways to Blackwall to me. But I enjoyed listening to your reasons for disliking him. I'm sorry if you've had a rough time with others. I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of Solas fans who've been very kind and welcoming on their fan thread. If you ever want to rant, I'd be happy to hear it. Lot of fun when it's done with fellow fans! It's awesome too that you got to see the other side of his approval. Missed content is refreshing to discover.
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 10, 2016 23:59:53 GMT
I wouldn't have such a hard time with Solas if people didn't glamour him as this tolerant, kind martyr of his people, when he is just a goddamn diva masquerading as a martyr. But people just see the martyr and eat that shit up like ice cream. It just makes me heat up and dislike the character even more, when he has such a loud group of supporters who are blinded by his romance and his martyrdom and gray morality issues.
Regarding his fanbase, it's a big pile of different little things. 1) Elf elitism. '' Inquisition is best played with an elf! '' 2) Solavellan elitism. 3) Total blindness towards his character and actions, as I've said above. When Blackwall gets more criticism as a character and regarding his actions than Solas, uh oh. This is my experience anyway. Blackwall fans don't come up with millions of excuses for his actions, either, I've mostly seen them just accept that Blackwall kinda sucks and has an iffy past and learned to deal with it and cope with it, and possibly share their woes on how the whole relationship was handled. 4) Some support his goals. Some support his goals because of the belief that the Dalish and the elves of Thedas will be saved. 5) Solavellan fanfiction writers keep putting their Solavellan fanfiction in the Adoribull tag on AO3 when Adoribull is just a minor relationship in their fanfiction. 6) If your Lavellan is still in love with Solas in Trespasser, what the hell. I think Solavellan is GREAT, but if your Lavellan is still hung up on a man who smashed your heart to pieces in Trespasser, after YEARS have gone past, oh my god.
No I'm not saying all Solas fans are like this, but this has been my experience, anyway.
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BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT BLACKWALL AGAIN. What do you want to talk about?!
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Post by opuspace on Sept 11, 2016 1:41:48 GMT
Have you heard Blackwall's story in the Hissing Wastes when investigating the Tomb of Fairel? The thought of him hallucinating about a ring of nugs singing sea shanties to him makes me laugh every time! Oh yeah, side thought before I forget: did you entertain the thought of rolling a female qunari to romance him the way players would use an opposite gender Inquisitor to romance Cassandra?
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 11, 2016 12:43:59 GMT
Yes I've heard it, when I was still completely addicted to DA:I I would honestly keep the massive 5 hour banter video in the background before going to sleep, or just listen to it throughout the day for entertainment value. Ah, my life is sad..
Nah, it would still feel like make-believe as I cannot live vicariously through a female character, no matter how butch I make them.
The first run of my canon Inquistior, I didn't romance anybody, as I headcanon'd that he was madly in love, had a big raging crush on Blackwall, but nothing ever happened between them, aside from an everlasting, important friendship that would never fade away. But then I rerolled him and went for Iron Bull instead.
Now I'm thinking that I should make another Inquisitor who goes through the same thing as it's actually a really fun story to play through, and the best part is that I can remain a very homo Inquisitor, but still have Dorian and Iron Bull hook up as I'm not gunning for either of them! Because honestly that's my favorite romantic relationship in the game.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 12, 2016 0:57:04 GMT
Hah, don't feel bad, I've done ridiculously insane things for the sake of roleplaying, like dragging Bull and Dorian all over the Hissing Wastes for several hours just so I can get them to hook up as well! Or collecting all the shards because it gave combat benefits! And I can relate, there was a game, Kingdoms of Amalur, where the only things close to a romantic relationship was a lesbian or a straight one for male characters. I had a crush on the character Grim and sadly had to headcanon an unrequited love with my PC as he had one for a fey character. I'm glad you're having a fun time with Inquisition; in the end, that can save a game from the rest of its flaws if it's done well.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Sept 12, 2016 16:18:33 GMT
Did I ever tell you guys that I finally bought Descent? Well, I did. Haven't played any DA:I, but I have Descent now!  I have been so crazy busy lately I haven't had much time to play.  I wonder if in the next DA game any of the characters from Inquisition will show up? (aside from Solas who is pretty much a given). Does anyone have any guesses as to who will and what their role will be?
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Sept 12, 2016 16:20:08 GMT
Hah, don't feel bad, I've done ridiculously insane things for the sake of roleplaying, like dragging Bull and Dorian all over the Hissing Wastes for several hours just so I can get them to hook up as well! Or collecting all the shards because it gave combat benefits! And I can relate, there was a game, Kingdoms of Amalur, where the only things close to a romantic relationship was a lesbian or a straight one for male characters. I had a crush on the character Grim and sadly had to headcanon an unrequited love with my PC as he had one for a fey character. I'm glad you're having a fun time with Inquisition; in the end, that can save a game from the rest of its flaws if it's done well. I have that game on PC and 360 and never finished it on either. Is it worth it? It seemed fun, but I was too caught up in other games at the time I got it.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 12, 2016 18:30:16 GMT
I have that game on PC and 360 and never finished it on either. Is it worth it? It seemed fun, but I was too caught up in other games at the time I got it. It depends; Do you like customization and combat? One of the things that get me coming back to KOA: Reckoning is that the controls are incredibly smooth. Your PC will feel really fast when they run compared to the Inquisitor. You can mix classes and can be rewarded for it. You can craft incredibly broken gear that combines fire, ice, lightening and health regeneration into a weapon. Outfits are not restricted beyond what points you have in certain classes so you can rock a sleek, form fitting rogue outfit while dropping an "I win" meteor on enemies. The story is kinda cliche but the side plots are fun when you can pull very stylish combat moves like doing a backflip after assassinating a giant with daggers. The biggest downside to me is lack of romance and teammate interaction. You get the chance to do temporary fights alongside allies, but the most you can do is flirt with Alyn Shir whereupon she'll turn you down and get married to a very pushy Ljosalfar maiden in a pirate dlc. (Seriously, she'll get shrewish if you don't want to be married to her). Best way to avoid an incomplete journal is to not ally or trade with the Ljosalfar trading post. Otherwise, if you agree to the arranged marriage of alliance, she'll say your character is a monster in bed.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 25, 2016 2:01:56 GMT
Has anyone been able to figure out a consistent way to trigger Blackwall's "Are you alright, my lady?" on the Storm Coast? I think it's meant to occur after a fight, but sometimes it will trigger randomly while walking. Side thought: my heart melts at how he speaks to the Inquisitor like a gentleman. Don't know why, but the old world phrases are charming!
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 25, 2016 11:18:06 GMT
Never romanced Blackwall, so can't help you there lol.
Blackwall is the most gentlemanly out of all the possibly love interests, and I love him for it. I'm just totally in love with chivalry, just wish it was directed at males as well ;; Hopefully in the next game?
Honestly, nothing melts my heart faster that a well-behaved gentleman. And I feel Blackwall is mostly that. MOSTLY. Of course he has some edges, and that's a good balance to all his chivalry.
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