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Post by suikoden on Sept 10, 2017 20:24:49 GMT
(Now I feel like I have to word this very carefully. Why is that? Well, recent events have made it clear - I take it back, since ME3 - that the we as a community are a...sensitive lot. And I know I just insulted one person already with that statement. What I'm trying to say is that with all that's going on with MEA, BioWare, EA, the fan base it's evident that we constantly love nothing more than to insult one another or try to get one of us riled up. It's gotten so out of hand that I'm starting to think that some of you don't actually believe what you say in terms of what side you're on and only post things to get a angry response - and half of you guys fell for it. Seriously it's like 2016 politics in this bitch - bitter, anxious, depressing, and overly annoying. My point is what I'm about to post try REALLY hard not to get offended, triggered, or feel the need to defend your purchase if I bad mouth Andromeda. If you liked it - cool. I don't care. If you don't want hear me say anything SLIGHTLY negative - do yourself a favor and leave. Let me be clear AGAIN I'm not saying EVERYONE here does this but it feels like I have to make things clear. Now on to the post.) Everyone seems on the forums to be at arms with each other (again) over Andromeda. Now I don't feel like going over the issues that happened before and after launch - maybe another time - but something has always perplexed me. With other games that came out that seemingly deserved criticism I have to wonder ME:A and ME as a whole seems to be that ONE game that I know of where the fan base is more divided than really one sided. I only say that because Dragon Age II also got a lot of flak from fans, journalist, and reviewers for not living up to its predecessor. Hell I remember fans in the OG forums were brutal towards DA2 over reusing maps, everyone being BI, the story being very repetitive and etc. and yet despite all that they STILL released DLC and in game items. Still DA2 was saved by memorable characters (maybe Sebastian being a slight exception) and being more or less a prologue to DAI but it still got a sour taste in fans. Also No Man's Sky got blasted to shit after its launch by disappointed consumers, memes over the stupid looking aliens acting goofy, promises that weren't kept, and people being treating Hello Games with the same level of disdain as some of us treat BioWare. But surprisingly rather than just pull the plug because of few meanie poop heads they've been updating the game to the point that it runs better than it was before. Nothing great but they're trying to let fans have the some amount of the experience that was shown and promise before. And no matter what you think of this game - that is both sad and funny that a 16 manned game developer can keep updates better than a triple A company backed by one of the biggest publishers in the business. But whatever I'm sure some of you are gonna reply to that one and call me an asshole. So what I want to know is this: between Dragon Age II and especially NMS what makes Mass Effect: Andromeda so different? Why is it that many of us will agree on one thing but get real but controversial over the other? (Sorry for my poor grammar and English) The thing with BioWare games is that when a new game in series is released the old ones are re-examined. I could go on and on that without nostalgia ME1 is a poor written game with crappy combat, outdated even when it was new leveling and inventory systems, extremely limited character animations, a weak villain, cringeworthy dialogue, namely by a lead male voice actor who was getting his first big break (seriously Mark Meer is just awful in ME1), framerate drops, graphic pops, and extremely poor graphical load times (the scene where Saren blasts the Keepers on the Citadel, he looks like a grey blob for most of it) and so on. The universe itself was what kept me coming back for more. But times are different and I'm different person now. What once held me in awe I now find ugly, boring, and poor experience, and vice versa in some cases. ME:A is an awesome game but I went into it knowing it wasn't going to change my life or anything, for me personally I found ME:A to be a fun, exciting, and richer experience than ME1 is too me now. Fans will say DA4 sucks and if and when we get ME:A2 we will go through this song and dance all over again. DA4 sucks when compared against DA:I. Just like when: DA2 sucks when compared against DA:O. DA:I sucks when compared against DA2. ME3 sucked when compared when against ME2. ME2 sucked when compared when against ME1. Rince and repeat. The new one always sucks against the last one for some weird reason when it comes to BioWare games there are other games and companies sure but with BioWare it seems more intense I guess. Mass Effect 1 shits all over Andromeda. Nobody is saying Andromeda is in any way superior except on this forum. For that matter, Origins is vastly superior to all the other DA’s. You can see the passion in those initial games before EA corrupted Bioware - all you see in the newer games, is $$$ and an accelerated release cycle.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 10, 2017 21:02:39 GMT
So everybody agrees with you except for the people who don't?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:38:59 GMT
(Now I feel like I have to word this very carefully. Why is that? Well, recent events have made it clear - I take it back, since ME3 - that the we as a community are a...sensitive lot. And I know I just insulted one person already with that statement. What I'm trying to say is that with all that's going on with MEA, BioWare, EA, the fan base it's evident that we constantly love nothing more than to insult one another or try to get one of us riled up. It's gotten so out of hand that I'm starting to think that some of you don't actually believe what you say in terms of what side you're on and only post things to get a angry response - and half of you guys fell for it. Seriously it's like 2016 politics in this bitch - bitter, anxious, depressing, and overly annoying. My point is what I'm about to post try REALLY hard not to get offended, triggered, or feel the need to defend your purchase if I bad mouth Andromeda. If you liked it - cool. I don't care. If you don't want hear me say anything SLIGHTLY negative - do yourself a favor and leave. Let me be clear AGAIN I'm not saying EVERYONE here does this but it feels like I have to make things clear. Now on to the post.) Everyone seems on the forums to be at arms with each other (again) over Andromeda. Now I don't feel like going over the issues that happened before and after launch - maybe another time - but something has always perplexed me. With other games that came out that seemingly deserved criticism I have to wonder ME:A and ME as a whole seems to be that ONE game that I know of where the fan base is more divided than really one sided. I only say that because Dragon Age II also got a lot of flak from fans, journalist, and reviewers for not living up to its predecessor. Hell I remember fans in the OG forums were brutal towards DA2 over reusing maps, everyone being BI, the story being very repetitive and etc. and yet despite all that they STILL released DLC and in game items. Still DA2 was saved by memorable characters (maybe Sebastian being a slight exception) and being more or less a prologue to DAI but it still got a sour taste in fans. Also No Man's Sky got blasted to shit after its launch by disappointed consumers, memes over the stupid looking aliens acting goofy, promises that weren't kept, and people being treating Hello Games with the same level of disdain as some of us treat BioWare. But surprisingly rather than just pull the plug because of few meanie poop heads they've been updating the game to the point that it runs better than it was before. Nothing great but they're trying to let fans have the some amount of the experience that was shown and promise before. And no matter what you think of this game - that is both sad and funny that a 16 manned game developer can keep updates better than a triple A company backed by one of the biggest publishers in the business. But whatever I'm sure some of you are gonna reply to that one and call me an asshole. So what I want to know is this: between Dragon Age II and especially NMS what makes Mass Effect: Andromeda so different? Why is it that many of us will agree on one thing but get real but controversial over the other? (Sorry for my poor grammar and English) The thing with BioWare games is that when a new game in series is released the old ones are re-examined. I could go on and on that without nostalgia ME1 is a poor written game with crappy combat, outdated even when it was new leveling and inventory systems, extremely limited character animations, a weak villain, cringeworthy dialogue, namely by a lead male voice actor who was getting his first big break (seriously Mark Meer is just awful in ME1), framerate drops, graphic pops, and extremely poor graphical load times (the scene where Saren blasts the Keepers on the Citadel, he looks like a grey blob for most of it) and so on. The universe itself was what kept me coming back for more. But times are different and I'm different person now. What once held me in awe I now find ugly, boring, and poor experience, and vice versa in some cases. ME:A is an awesome game but I went into it knowing it wasn't going to change my life or anything, for me personally I found ME:A to be a fun, exciting, and richer experience than ME1 is too me now. Fans will say DA4 sucks and if and when we get ME:A2 we will go through this song and dance all over again. DA4 sucks when compared against DA:I. Just like when: DA2 sucks when compared against DA:O. DA:I sucks when compared against DA2. ME3 sucked when compared when against ME2. ME2 sucked when compared when against ME1. Rince and repeat. The new one always sucks against the last one for some weird reason when it comes to BioWare games there are other games and companies sure but with BioWare it seems more intense I guess. Interesting...I like these games in the complete opposite order you mentioned. I can fire up ME1 now and be immersed and involved in the story. MEA, I can't bother to. For me, ME1>ME2>>ME3>>>MEA, and DAO>DAI>DA2.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 10, 2017 22:40:15 GMT
The thing with BioWare games is that when a new game in series is released the old ones are re-examined. I could go on and on that without nostalgia ME1 is a poor written game with crappy combat, outdated even when it was new leveling and inventory systems, extremely limited character animations, a weak villain, cringeworthy dialogue, namely by a lead male voice actor who was getting his first big break (seriously Mark Meer is just awful in ME1), framerate drops, graphic pops, and extremely poor graphical load times (the scene where Saren blasts the Keepers on the Citadel, he looks like a grey blob for most of it) and so on. The universe itself was what kept me coming back for more. But times are different and I'm different person now. What once held me in awe I now find ugly, boring, and poor experience, and vice versa in some cases. ME:A is an awesome game but I went into it knowing it wasn't going to change my life or anything, for me personally I found ME:A to be a fun, exciting, and richer experience than ME1 is too me now. Fans will say DA4 sucks and if and when we get ME:A2 we will go through this song and dance all over again. DA4 sucks when compared against DA:I. Just like when: DA2 sucks when compared against DA:O. DA:I sucks when compared against DA2. ME3 sucked when compared when against ME2. ME2 sucked when compared when against ME1. Rince and repeat. The new one always sucks against the last one for some weird reason when it comes to BioWare games there are other games and companies sure but with BioWare it seems more intense I guess. Mass Effect 1 shits all over Andromeda. Nobody is saying Andromeda is in any way superior except on this forum. For that matter, Origins is vastly superior to all the other DA’s. You can see the passion in those initial games before EA corrupted Bioware - all you see in the newer games, is $$$ and an accelerated release cycle. Normally I wouldn't waste my time replaying to you because frankly I would have a more fun and intelligent conversation with a wall, but when you look at the things I posted, IN MY HONEST OPINION ME1 has aged very poorly. The characters, with the exception of Garrus, are all flat boring one dimensional huge exposition dumps and with characters like Tali and Liara they are extremely boring too. Saren has next to NOTHING do in the story and then he's revealed to a henchman, so instead of chasing Goldfinger I end chasing Oddjob instead. The Archon is just an evil character (and I'm sort of bored with the morally complex villains I miss the old evil bastard type of villains they are fun) for sake of being evil but he's own villain and not a robot squid's slave. The graphics for ME1 has major noticeable framerate drops (when I can see a framerate drop it is big fucking deal because I can't most of the time), all of the characters had limited body animations that are laughable bad and some times characters in cutscenes had long load times and looked blurry colored blobs, so when compared against ME:A's graphics they pretty much suck. These were are notable in most reviews of the game when it was originally released on the Xbox 360 and PC. Mark Meer himself has stated that ME1 was his first major role and because of his inexperience his portrayal of Shepard in ME1 is weaker than Hale's. You want to listen to some really cringeworthy dialogue then go listen to the dialogue that leads up to sex scene with Liara and Male Shepard who sounds like a dirty old man begging for sex. Want to listen some really great dialogue go listen to same dialogue with female Shepard sounds like sensual, sexy, curious, funny, and even little cautious. When I replayed it earlier this year I was stunned by how dull ME1 was. As too the comparisons that was happened all the time at BSN Prime and other BioWare FAN sites, and I know people who shitted on DA:I by saying it wasn't as good as DA2 and when DA2 it was shit against DA:O and the same thing happened when the Mass Effect Trilogy. I never said it happened in more general gaming sites so please learn how to read or better yet just shut the fuck up because you are an ignorant jackass for attention or just trying cause trouble, but regardless the truth is that BioWare fans on BSN Prime and on other BioWare fan sites would regularly shit all over the new games and then say how much better the previous game was even if they shitted on the previous games too. And thank you Captain Obvious for that astute observation on EA sucking the life out of it's subsidiary companies with faster development times for a quick buck, now that isn't something that every video game player, critic, news site, and commentator hasn't pointed out for years, where do you want your no prize sent? /sarcasm]
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 10, 2017 22:51:20 GMT
The thing with BioWare games is that when a new game in series is released the old ones are re-examined. I could go on and on that without nostalgia ME1 is a poor written game with crappy combat, outdated even when it was new leveling and inventory systems, extremely limited character animations, a weak villain, cringeworthy dialogue, namely by a lead male voice actor who was getting his first big break (seriously Mark Meer is just awful in ME1), framerate drops, graphic pops, and extremely poor graphical load times (the scene where Saren blasts the Keepers on the Citadel, he looks like a grey blob for most of it) and so on. The universe itself was what kept me coming back for more. But times are different and I'm different person now. What once held me in awe I now find ugly, boring, and poor experience, and vice versa in some cases. ME:A is an awesome game but I went into it knowing it wasn't going to change my life or anything, for me personally I found ME:A to be a fun, exciting, and richer experience than ME1 is too me now. Fans will say DA4 sucks and if and when we get ME:A2 we will go through this song and dance all over again. DA4 sucks when compared against DA:I. Just like when: DA2 sucks when compared against DA:O. DA:I sucks when compared against DA2. ME3 sucked when compared when against ME2. ME2 sucked when compared when against ME1. Rince and repeat. The new one always sucks against the last one for some weird reason when it comes to BioWare games there are other games and companies sure but with BioWare it seems more intense I guess. Interesting...I like these games in the complete opposite order you mentioned. I can fire up ME1 now and be immersed and involved in the story. MEA, I can't bother to. For me, ME1>ME2>>ME3>>>MEA, and DAO>DAI>DA2. That was very common at BSN Prime when the new Dragon Age or Mass Effect game came out people would shit on the new game and say it didn't measure up to the previous one and when the next one came out all of that games' alleged "sins" were forgiven. It's actually became something of a very sick joke. For me when I replayed ME1 earlier this for the first time in years I was stunned by how dull it has became to me. I have memories of loving it and playing the hell out of it, but time marches on and now it seems old and IMHO hasn't aged very well. So for me it's in reverse: ME:A > ME3 > ME2 > ME1, and for Dragon Age it's DA2 > DA:I > DA:O.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 10, 2017 22:52:45 GMT
So everybody agrees with you except for the people who don't? For suikoden, yeah, it's his standard routine.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 10, 2017 22:54:41 GMT
To be honest, I don't think ME1 aged well. Dragon Age Origins on the other hand has and I still enjoy it today.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 10, 2017 23:16:49 GMT
Yeah, I really don't think that it's all that difficult to get underneath exactly why Bioware's reputation has taken a hit in recent years. Because they try hard to be politically correct.
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Post by river82 on Sept 10, 2017 23:33:04 GMT
Just like when: DA2 sucks when compared against DA:O. DA:I sucks when compared against DA2. ME3 sucked when compared when against ME2. ME2 sucked when compared when against ME1. Rince and repeat. The new one always sucks against the last one for some weird reason when it comes to BioWare games there are other games and companies sure but with BioWare it seems more intense I guess. Either your memory of events is poor or you're deliberately altering the facts to suit your argument. Only a select and small group consider ME1 to be the best of the series (or better than ME:2), it has different pros and cons to their sequels. The same with DA:I and DA:2, they are different games with different advantages. On the other hand many people say ME:A sucks compared to Bioware's previous games because unlike Bioware's previous games there's so MANY things wrong with it. And so you're going to get a more universal and consistent outcry that Andromeda sucks. Case in point not a single one of my friends liked Andromeda, however I can find quite a few that liked DA:2 and ME:3 upon release. The majority of people were not running around the Bioware forums saying DA:2 is better than DA:I. And I know this because I was one of the people on the Bioware forums defending DA:I
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Post by river82 on Sept 10, 2017 23:39:35 GMT
Interesting...I like these games in the complete opposite order you mentioned. I can fire up ME1 now and be immersed and involved in the story. MEA, I can't bother to. For me, ME1>ME2>>ME3>>>MEA, and DAO>DAI>DA2. For me when I replayed ME1 earlier this for the first time in years I was stunned by how dull it has became to me. ME:1 is the best roleplaying game of the three, as in it has more pure roleplaying elements. The combat, for example, relied more on character skills and less on with player skills. The people who like this game the best typically like older RPGs, and purer RPGs, because the combat overall sucks. The exploration sucks. The technical performance sucks. The writing was good but overall ME:2 and ME:3 are far better GAMES, but ME:1 is the better RPG. Who would think ME:1 is better than ME:2? That crowd is obvious, but it's never going to be the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 23:40:07 GMT
Interesting...I like these games in the complete opposite order you mentioned. I can fire up ME1 now and be immersed and involved in the story. MEA, I can't bother to. For me, ME1>ME2>>ME3>>>MEA, and DAO>DAI>DA2. That was very common at BSN Prime when the new Dragon Age or Mass Effect game came out people would shit on the new game and say it didn't measure up to the previous one and when the next one came out all of that games' alleged "sins" were forgiven. It's actually became something of a very sick joke. For me when I replayed ME1 earlier this for the first time in years I was stunned by how dull it has became to me. I have memories of loving it and playing the hell out of it, but time marches on and now it seems old and IMHO hasn't aged very well. So for me it's in reverse: ME:A > ME3 > ME2 > ME1, and for Dragon Age it's DA2 > DA:I > DA:O. Have you tried playing it with graphic enhancement mods? MEUITMIt lessens the graphics problem a bit. I could spend hours gazing at the skies of some planets on ME1, and I still do sometimes. I didn't hate the Mako at all, I loved to drive it everywhere. And I love that is a small game that seems large, the complete opposite of MEA for me.
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