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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:52:41 GMT
I've tried searching on the forums about info on that regard but I found nothing so far. Guess we'll know more in N7 Day or beyond..?
I'll be playing ME:A on PC, but I really would like that all 3 platforms would be interconnected in a global MP experience.
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Post by Frost on Sept 25, 2016 21:08:11 GMT
I don't know if they will have it, but it would be great if they did.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 25, 2016 21:42:24 GMT
Low FPS bad. Too high FPS also bad.
Do you know of a way to get consoles up to 60 FPS or so?
If no, then do you mind playing at 30 FPS?
I hope it is figured out, because I would like it also. But, not at the cost of the dreaded "Rubber-Band Man".
P.S. For those too young, "The Midnight Special" was the shizzz...
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Post by DragonRacer on Sept 26, 2016 0:13:53 GMT
This is a thing I would love and fully support. My happy ass adored ME3MP so much and made friends here on other platforms enough that I ended up acquiring it on my laptop (which can run it, barely) and a refurbished XBox 360.
But, in all honesty, that was way too much of a stretch and quite a bit of expense. Not a thing I can really repeat.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 26, 2016 0:23:57 GMT
Sounds good on paper, but, nope, I don't want it. Mainly because of the console certification process. It'd likely mean delaying patches and updates for PC and running things with the lowest common denominator.
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 26, 2016 0:37:47 GMT
They won't. And this is something I would only support if players were connected through dedicated servers. But we all know Bioware won't do that either.
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Post by malanek on Sept 26, 2016 0:53:32 GMT
Sounds good on paper, but, nope, I don't want it. Mainly because of the console certification process. It'd likely mean delaying patches and updates for PC and running things with the lowest common denominator. Patches have always been delayed with Bioware for consoles anyway haven't they? Also note that having cross-platform play does not actually mean things NEED to be delayed anyway. All it means is that in the matchmaking process it respects the version number. It already does this as evidenced by the number of times people thought there were no players but they simply didn't have all the dlc installed. I think cross platform play would be good, it would unite the community more. However its not essential and corporate politics make me pretty sure that it is quite unlikely.
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 26, 2016 1:06:48 GMT
...if players were connected through dedicated servers. But we all know Bioware won't do that either. I still don't understand why the hell not, ME3 and DAMP were practically unplayable half the time due to all the lag and issues. More people being able to play MP = more people buying BS packs for money, and we all know that EA LOVES money. We ought to play on dedicated servers. This concept of Host + 3 clients is totally outdated. Moreover, I am sure EA loves money and therefore they think big, but Bioware doesn't. ME3MP and DAMP were half-assed products, especially the latter. I wish Bioware were more ambitious in their multiplayer endeavors, but honestly I can't expect that to happen.
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 26, 2016 2:25:43 GMT
I recently heard that Gears 4 is going to have cross platform multiplayer. Of course they say that now, you never know if they will maintain their promise. But you know, I was a bit surprised. I'd be interested, can't say if it's a bad or good thing. I remember when back in the day rumors about cross platform for BF3 where on the air, I was really interested on that too, ofc it never happened.
EDIT: Honestly, not sure if it's gonna happen though. You may have Microsoft to cooperate on both PC and Xbox, but Microsoft AND Sony? naaaah, that's definitely not happening.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 26, 2016 2:49:42 GMT
I recently heard that Gears 4 is going to have cross platform multiplayer. Of course they say that now, you never know if they will maintain their promise. But you know, I was a bit surprised. I'd be interested, can't say if it's a bad or good thing. I remember when back in the day rumors about cross platform for BF3 where on the air, I was really interested on that too, ofc it never happened. EDIT: Honestly, not sure if it's gonna happen though. You may have Microsoft to cooperate on both PC and Xbox, but Microsoft AND Sony? naaaah, that's definitely not happening. Gears will because it's MS only. MS has come out as completely open recently to full crossplay and wants all there games to have it if the devs are up for it. Sony has so far denied it so far so we'd never actually get full crossplay unless Sony changes there policies. They liked to pretend they where 'for it' becuase of some Japanese MMO that allowed PS/PC crossplay but that's cause they got in prior to the company even asking MS about it lol. Both companys back then where completely against it, so... yeah anyway. Personally, I want to see it on MEA, I want it on Dark Souls too FPS be damned. But most companys, and I'm sure this includes BioWare, wont do since it would leave out one of the 3. And why let Xbox/PC play together if PS is left out when you can just leave out all 3 to there own devices so everyones split up. I'd like to see more companys take the Xbox/PC crossplay stance as it would ultimately force Sonys hand in getting with the fucking times. edit: When I said MS was open to crossplay btw I was talking about with Sony. They made a public statement about getting the infrastructure up and are prepared for it whenever Sony gets around to being willing. It's been this way for months now though. 100% in Sonys court as it where at this point.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 26, 2016 2:55:03 GMT
Economics will force their hand.
Especially with Microsoft finally getting Xbox and PC together.
When more people see this and assuming Sony console sales lag in comparison to Xbox, they Wil come around.
Hopefully for the betterment of us all.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 26, 2016 3:05:03 GMT
Having more third party studios incorporating it besides it being just a few indie devs would go a hell of a long way. Sony is to far ahead in 'console sales' to pay attention to anything else honestly.
Very similar to last generation, MS had this massive hardware lead, took years and years for Sony to catch up. I'm sure it'll mostly even out after awhile especially considering the whole idea of generations is being smoothed out. No more dropping everything and all that.
Either way, something has to happen for Sony to get off there shit and change. There pretty damn slow to change as is, still wont let people alter there screen names after how many years now? 10-ish? Maybe in 10 more they'll get around to that basic goddamn feature.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 26, 2016 3:47:38 GMT
Microsoft is on board with platform cross play. At least, in the Win 10 world. So I can see console + PC gamers playing together in the Microsoft controlled echo system.
Sony, like MS, wants to control their players' online activities. At the moment, PS4 users are captives and I doubt Sony wants them to experience gaming outside their echo system.
Technically, net connectivity between all three platforms can be done. However, outside of co-op play, that is player team vs team matches, game load times can easily become problematic due to either physical game load times, waiting for other other team to fill up, players with faster or slower game units, internet speed.. etc. BF3 and BF4 gamers can tell you a few stories regarding load times. PvP match design is key, I think.
Perhaps the Horde mode will be similar to the RIFT MMO where players are grouped by level (ie: 1-5, 6-10... etc) and have access to HORDE battles suitable to their assigned competence and slot availability.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 26, 2016 6:17:48 GMT
...if players were connected through dedicated servers. But we all know Bioware won't do that either. I still don't understand why the hell not, ME3 and DAMP were practically unplayable half the time due to all the lag and issues. More people being able to play MP = more people buying BS packs for money, and we all know that EA LOVES money. It's simply cheaper.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 26, 2016 6:58:24 GMT
Yeah, P2P is cheaper and if done right works great. BioWare hasn't done it right yet. They put to much on the host and tie to much to that. As oddball as it is go look at Dead Island, or Dying Island for a more recent example. Those games run entirely on P2P non-dedicated servers. And no amount of lag fucks up the zombies you see. Hell the game even will do slow-mo as you cut a zombies head off but doesn't effect other players games. They just see you hack it off normal speed. When it comes to Co-op stuff, game companys need to realize the game you play - that you see - needs to play like single player regardless of lag. When you kill something you kill it, and then it sends that out to the host and updates for everyone. Right now theres to many checks and 'is this ok?' from everyone to the server that you hit the lag issues that're designed for PvP - not co-op. Where it only has to deal with human players, not a bunch of AI. It's entirely possible they've figured that out like plenty of other companys have over the years and we'll have a nice experience where lag screws with us. Or ehh, or not and we'll get DAI jank. My money is sadly on DAI jank, but one can hope. edit: Destiny, also btw works entirely off P2P. It does some bizar as host-swap every 2-3 minutes which is just some weird freaky voodoo magic that causes some weird shit in PvP. But in the co-op side as far as the games concerned your playing single player till loot shits its self out. Works good for all that. edit: the editing: Not as bad as Half-Life back in the day. They had frames tied intrinsically in with a persons ping lol. It was freakin' horrendous. That maaay of been Counter-Strike mod it's self... don't think so though. Anyway, eventually they updated it so your FPS wasn't tied to your connection with a server and all was right in the world. Bad F2P co-op reminds me of that. They're tying things down to connection and response times to hosts that shouldn't be.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Sept 26, 2016 10:18:54 GMT
Cross play is something that I would really like to see in games, but, as mentioned before, getting MS & Sony to play ball is possibly not going to happen for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 26, 2016 10:22:21 GMT
Cross play is something that I would really like to see in games, but, as mentioned before, getting MS & Sony to play ball is possibly not going to happen for the foreseeable future. After seeing the bullshit console pulled off with their exclusivity agreements on the multi-platform title Evolve I swore to not buy multi-platform games anymore, but what can you do if it's a beloved franchise that I enjoyed so much as Mass Effect.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Sept 26, 2016 10:47:52 GMT
Cross play is something that I would really like to see in games, but, as mentioned before, getting MS & Sony to play ball is possibly not going to happen for the foreseeable future. After seeing the bullshit console pulled off with their exclusivity agreements on the multi-platform title Evolve I swore to not buy multi-platform games anymore, but what can you do if it's a beloved franchise that I enjoyed so much as Mass Effect. Exclusivity agreements are one thing that piss me off no end, I've never seen the advantage that gives to anyone, yet it is a practice that Sony & MS are happy to continue, so this is most likely a major barrier to x platform play, sad really in my opinion.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 26, 2016 10:53:27 GMT
After seeing the bullshit console pulled off with their exclusivity agreements on the multi-platform title Evolve I swore to not buy multi-platform games anymore, but what can you do if it's a beloved franchise that I enjoyed so much as Mass Effect. Exclusivity agreements are one thing that piss me off no end, I've never seen the advantage that gives to anyone, yet it is a practice that Sony & MS are happy to continue, so this is most likely a major barrier to x platform play, sad really in my opinion. It's just there to coerce buyers into sticking to a system. "We have the cool stuff on our channel". There is only advantage to Sony or Microsoft when people fall for it.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 26, 2016 14:59:30 GMT
After seeing the bullshit console pulled off with their exclusivity agreements on the multi-platform title Evolve I swore to not buy multi-platform games anymore, but what can you do if it's a beloved franchise that I enjoyed so much as Mass Effect. Exclusivity agreements are one thing that piss me off no end, I've never seen the advantage that gives to anyone, yet it is a practice that Sony & MS are happy to continue, so this is most likely a major barrier to x platform play, sad really in my opinion. Yeah not a big fan of exclusivity agreements. Though MS has dropped doing that for just about everything. Last thing they've done in relation to that was Tomb Raider and they literally funded, helped develop, helped work on, marketted and published the game. And somehow that resulted in just a year long 'exclusivity' deal. Past that though they've dropped everything else they did last generation (and Spencer has come out and said they've dropped the practice). We'll see if that keeps up, anything can change, but so far you may of noticed only Sony has the whole month long, year long DLC exclusive, or this contents only on PS nonsense. And once against to re-iterate in this thread since people keep seeming to be unaware of it. MS has an open crossplay mandate or whatever you'd call it. They made it very public and is universally for any game that wants it. The only current blockage on that is Sony which has been the main wall in having it not happen since that public statement half a year ago or so.
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 27, 2016 9:28:21 GMT
Sony has so far denied it so far so we'd never actually get full crossplay unless Sony changes there policies. They liked to pretend they where 'for it' becuase of some Japanese MMO that allowed PS/PC crossplay but that's cause they got in prior to the company even asking MS about it lol. Both companys back then where completely against it, so... yeah anyway. Hope you're not thinking of Gaijin's War Thunder, since that's a Russian company. It has PC/PS4 crossplay.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 27, 2016 9:59:13 GMT
Hope you're not thinking of Gaijin's War Thunder, since that's a Russian company. It has PC/PS4 crossplay. Nah it was something else. Never heard of War Thunder. Game was star something, I think. Wanna say it has the little robot dudes you feed items to to evolve them or something? That might also be the wrong thing. Either way this was in 2014-ish time period. The company who developed it said the only reason it's not on XB1 was because they don't allow crossplay between console. Sony came out and said it was 'all up to Xbox and they've always supported crossplay'. Fastforward to recent times and MS has a mandated company wide policy (gaming side at least) for crossplay and put in the work to ensure it's possible for every title. And of course now Sony wont play ball lol. It's one of those things where Sony never actually 'did' anything, and the other company went to them first for it and once that was in place went to MS and at the time MS wasn't prepared, or willing to do crossplay like that. It's all bullshit either way, but at least MS is no longer a brick wall stopping it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 18:33:22 GMT
I for once wouldn't mind delayed patches in exchange for Crossplay.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 27, 2016 18:40:34 GMT
You expect me to play with the snooty pc players and unwashed sony masses?
(Yes i would like cross platform play, at the very least I'd like to see them follow this trend of if you buy the game on a xbox or sony you also get the game for pc.)
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 28, 2016 9:20:50 GMT
.... (Yes i would like cross platform play, at the very least I'd like to see them follow this trend of if you buy the game on a xbox or sony you also get the game for pc.) Cutting their own throats by throwing away revenue? I don't see that happening.
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