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Post by misguidedworm7 on Sept 19, 2017 16:11:03 GMT
It saddens me to hear so many people on this board talk about using Siphon variants of weapons. We can't complain about the loot pool explosion in one breath then praise and recommend these lore breaking, vampiric bullshit weapons in the next. Bioware keeps data on weapon usage, so unless you guys want to see the same thing happen in 2032 when the next Mass Effect game comes out, I'd recommend boycotting the variant guns that we all claim to hate. The game's more fun when there's a big of challenge anyway. The fact that siphon weapons are so crushingly powerful compared to the base weapons is an issue. The fact bioware implemented variations as entirely separate weapons was a stupid decision. The fact that the effects the variants bring are interesting enough is alright. The reasons people use them are not the same reasons people hate their implementation.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Sept 19, 2017 16:11:28 GMT
Yes. I will use the most effective weapon in any game because I like to be effective. Doesn't matter if it's shaped like a pink vibrator and make fart noises when it fires.
I will use Siphon weapons because why wouldn't I? Base weapon + life drain = better than base weapon. This is obvious without any telemetry at all.
What would be more interesting is to look at telemetry and see which (base weapons + variants) are actually being used. Like, does the telemetry actually support our beliefs that Hurricane, Dhan, Shorty, etc. are the only guns people use?
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Post by crashsuit on Sept 19, 2017 16:17:42 GMT
shaped like a pink vibrator and make fart noises when it fires I'd pay actual cash for a gun like that.
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Post by Scathane on Sept 19, 2017 16:30:37 GMT
I think they actually tried something like that: just slap strap any melee mod on your Venom...
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Post by JRandall0308 on Sept 19, 2017 16:41:10 GMT
shaped like a pink vibrator and make fart noises when it fires I'd pay actual cash for a gun like that. There's one in Saint's Row, right? Or there should be.
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Post by The Joe-Man on Sept 19, 2017 16:49:05 GMT
Yes. I will use the most effective weapon in any game because I like to be effective. Doesn't matter if it's shaped like a pink vibrator and make fart noises when it fires. I will use Siphon weapons because why wouldn't I? Base weapon + life drain = better than base weapon. This is obvious without any telemetry at all. What would be more interesting is to look at telemetry and see which (base weapons + variants) are actually being used. Like, does the telemetry actually support our beliefs that Hurricane, Dhan, Shorty, etc. are the only guns people use? I don't wear a bib when I eat because I can keep food off my shirt on my own without it. If I spill, that's on me (get it? "On me"!) If I don't, I get a sense of accomplishment that I made it through a meal successfully. Not only are Siphon weapons a bib because they trivialise gameplay and ruin balance but they're a bib that came at a HUGE cost to our enjoyment of the game experience as a whole. Bioware needs to know unequivocally that we reject the premise of these variant guns. Being hypocritical in our words and usage of the guns sends a mixed message. I'd rather the message be a firm and united "NO".
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Post by poultrymancer on Sept 19, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
Yes. I will use the most effective weapon in any game because I like to be effective. Doesn't matter if it's shaped like a pink vibrator and make fart noises when it fires. I will use Siphon weapons because why wouldn't I? Base weapon + life drain = better than base weapon. This is obvious without any telemetry at all. What would be more interesting is to look at telemetry and see which (base weapons + variants) are actually being used. Like, does the telemetry actually support our beliefs that Hurricane, Dhan, Shorty, etc. are the only guns people use? I don't wear a bib when I eat because I can keep food off my shirt on my own without it. If I spill, that's on me (get it? "On me"!) If I don't, I get a sense of accomplishment that I made it through a meal successfully. Not only are Siphon weapons a bib because they trivialise gameplay and ruin balance but they're a bib that came at a HUGE cost to our enjoyment of the game experience as a whole. Bioware needs to know unequivocally that we reject the premise of these variant guns. Being hypocritical in our words and usage of the guns sends a mixed message. I'd rather the message be a firm and united "NO". Right or not, gaming communities -- or even small, non-representstive slices thereof, like BSN -- are very rarely inclined toward anything in a firm and unified manner. The silly poll/petition a while back about the character release schedule is a good example; somewhere around 15% of respondents indicated they were happy with monthly releases running to November. I could say "packs with free URs are good," and at least 5-10% would respond that receiving something unearned "ruins the challenge," or is "unfair to those who've unlocked everything legitimately," or something similarly eyeroll-worthy. It's especially hard to expect competitive-minded people to forego an objectively superior tool on principle without any probability of such decision sending an effective message or having an impact. That said, I personally agree with you in principle and in practice very rarely use siphon variants.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Sept 19, 2017 17:11:22 GMT
How about we just stop playing altogether? I am retired after all.
Also, this:
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Post by onehitparry on Sept 19, 2017 19:15:32 GMT
Base weapon + life drain = better than base weapon. Just don't use them against the undead!
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Post by skauron on Sept 19, 2017 20:24:34 GMT
At this late and eroding state of the game for multiplayer, I don't think I give a rats ass what people bring to the fight so long as they contribute well to the game and we all extract at the end. Who cares if siphon is considered a 'bib' to some.. it still gets people into a game and having fun with it.
When you click join game and theres not one single gold game running, and its like that for 20 minutes, you'll take ANYONE for that next game within reason.
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Post by vanelsa on Sept 19, 2017 20:44:59 GMT
At this late and eroding state of the game for multiplayer, I don't think I give a rats ass what people bring to the fight so long as they contribute well to the game and we all extract at the end. Who cares if siphon is considered a 'bib' to some.. it still gets people into a game and having fun with it. When you click join game and theres not one single gold game running, and its like that for 20 minutes, you'll take ANYONE for that next game within reason. In recent weeks, I've taken to creating Gold lobbies and starting the mission by myself. By the time the second or third wave starts, the team usually fills up. I find the first two waves of Gold to be very manageable from a solo perspective for any character, esp. now that we have Veteran bonuses and high-level UR or variant weapons (I have no problem using siphon weapons).
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Sept 20, 2017 0:24:35 GMT
I have yet to run into a person that regularly plays platinum, and very few gold that felt there was an issue with the saturation of the loot. People complained about bloat even after bioware clearly (for once) stated in patch that players no longer received variants if all weapons of that rarity level were not X. So even after basically removing the additionals until a person basically maxed a manifest, people still complained about it...but used them when they got them...
And yes, if you hate zoogender midget prostitutes covered in teriyaki sauce, then partaking in a blue-red-yellow cake prepared by a pack of them makes you a hypocrite. But don't worry, hypocrite is life bro...
And nobody who isn't bored with the dhan, or that can get any headshots worth a dam, would ever say shorty > Dhan...
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Post by JohnBorrows on Sept 20, 2017 13:13:11 GMT
I have yet to run into a person that regularly plays platinum, and very few gold that felt there was an issue with the saturation of the loot. People complained about bloat even after bioware clearly (for once) stated in patch that players no longer received variants if all weapons of that rarity level were not X. So even after basically removing the additionals until a person basically maxed a manifest, people still complained about it...but used them when they got them... Hurricane is my only lv X ur and I got siphon Hurricane last weekend.
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Post by The Joe-Man on Sept 20, 2017 14:22:26 GMT
I have yet to run into a person that regularly plays platinum, and very few gold that felt there was an issue with the saturation of the loot. People complained about bloat even after bioware clearly (for once) stated in patch that players no longer received variants if all weapons of that rarity level were not X. So even after basically removing the additionals until a person basically maxed a manifest, people still complained about it...but used them when they got them... Hurricane is my only lv X ur and I got siphon Hurricane last weekend. He's mistaken. They altered the drop rate for Veteran bonus cards so they wouldn't drop until all character kits of that rarity were at X. There remains "a small chance" that variant weapons will drop ahead of unmaxed weapons.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Sept 20, 2017 14:47:08 GMT
I would post a link to the full explanation from my BFFs at Bioware, but then I'd be accused of brown-nosing or ego-tripping or something.
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Post by seductivewizard on Sept 20, 2017 15:33:45 GMT
It saddens me to hear so many people on this board talk about using Siphon variants of weapons. We can't complain about the loot pool explosion in one breath then praise and recommend these lore breaking, vampiric bullshit weapons in the next. Bioware keeps data on weapon usage, so unless you guys want to see the same thing happen in 2032 when the next Mass Effect game comes out, I'd recommend boycotting the variant guns that we all claim to hate. The game's more fun when there's a big of challenge anyway. The fact that siphon weapons are so crushingly powerful compared to the base weapons is an issue. The fact bioware implemented variations as entirely separate weapons was a stupid decision. The fact that the effects the variants bring are interesting enough is alright. The reasons people use them are not the same reasons people hate their implementation. Isn't it funny that a whiny li'l 2-faced scrub whines all day cos' his grind got worse (Bioware added weapon variants!), but is extremely happy to use his siphon all day long? Bioware, please take away the weapon variants, make scrubs drop like flies again, make Murica great again.
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Post by Novakov on Sept 20, 2017 16:32:47 GMT
Hurricane is my only lv X ur and I got siphon Hurricane last weekend. He's mistaken. They altered the drop rate for Veteran bonus cards so they wouldn't drop until all character kits of that rarity were at X. There remains "a small chance" that variant weapons will drop ahead of unmaxed weapons. My personal experience shows the quotes around small chance are definitely needed. I started the game shortly before variants so I hadn't maxed anything above common gear at that point. I have gotten 4 rare weapons to Rank X as of last night and already have 25 ranks in the various variants between them. So a few variants are as high or higher than my regular rare weapons. Maybe SSS but it seems crazy. I almost wouldn't be surprised if my Concussive Isharay 8 will hit 10 before I get another rank 10 weapon (3 sitting at 9 right now).
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Post by snowleopard25 on Sept 24, 2017 2:28:21 GMT
Doesn't look like the Claymore fits into the plans for ME:A at this point.
Just saying...
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Sept 24, 2017 17:26:06 GMT
Doesn't look like the Claymore fits into the plans for ME:A at this point. Just saying... I notice that a lot of the new weapons have replaced the niche for some of the awesome classics like Inferno- Saber Ruzad - Claymore Thokin - That automatic mattack, forget its name...Harrier? Soned- Spitfire/Typhoon (omfg I miss the typhoon) S.Avenger- Lancer P.A.W.- Particle Rifle. Dhan- Geth Plasma Lanat- Geth Javelin Ushor- Executioner The claymore is technically IN the game already. Oh and btw, my wording on variants is incorrect yes, my initial point still stands though. There is a small chance of getting a variant weapon before all of that rarity of X, you will not get a variant of say a hurricane, if your hurricane is level VI!
now if someone happens to have been in this situation, they are the luckiest person in MEA because all variants are > level X weapons.
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Post by Scathane on Sept 24, 2017 17:45:46 GMT
Doesn't look like the Claymore fits into the plans for ME:A at this point. Just saying... I notice that a lot of the new weapons have replaced the niche for some of the awesome classics like Inferno- Saber Ruzad - Claymore Thokin - That automatic mattack, forget its name...Harrier? Soned- Spitfire/Typhoon (omfg I miss the typhoon) S.Avenger- Lancer P.A.W.- Particle Rifle. Dhan- Geth Plasma Lanat- Geth Javelin Ushor- Executioner The claymore is technically IN the game already. Oh and btw, my wording on variants is incorrect yes, my initial point still stands though. There is a small chance of getting a variant weapon before all of that rarity of X, you will not get a variant of say a hurricane, if your hurricane is level VI!
now if someone happens to have been in this situation, they are the luckiest person in MEA because all variants are > level X weapons. How dare you mention the Javelin and that other thing in the same sentence!
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Post by snowleopard25 on Sept 24, 2017 18:48:17 GMT
Doesn't look like the Claymore fits into the plans for ME:A at this point. Just saying... I notice that a lot of the new weapons have replaced the niche for some of the awesome classics like Inferno- Saber Ruzad - ClaymoreThokin - That automatic mattack, forget its name...Harrier? Soned- Spitfire/Typhoon (omfg I miss the typhoon) S.Avenger- Lancer P.A.W.- Particle Rifle. Dhan- Geth Plasma Lanat- Geth Javelin Ushor- Executioner The claymore is technically IN the game already. I agree in principle, but: Claymore >>>Ruzad Only a Krogan would understand (or probably care). I rest my case.
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Post by Paradox949 on Sept 24, 2017 21:25:45 GMT
Whatever feelings you guys have about the shorty are more than likely because of preference. I know from what chickenchamp is saying comes just from boredom. But no, in game wise and paper list wise, the dhan is still "overall" king. Can Be viewed in its entirety here.The shorty drops enemies, there is no doubt about that, but the shorty can't hit shit at max "shockwave distance" and all 3 burst must land to even be concidered. Dhan is a plasma cannon that shoots 1 accurate slightly tracking cannon ball. With weakpoint bonus. Dhan is the champ. Green Dick picks lie... Clearly the max accuracy build has eluded you. Shorty can kill enemies at sniper range with the right builds. Like the hover passive on APEX Training for example. The Turian Havoc goes from an AC-130 to a god smiting all foes.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Sept 24, 2017 22:15:57 GMT
Whatever feelings you guys have about the shorty are more than likely because of preference. I know from what chickenchamp is saying comes just from boredom. But no, in game wise and paper list wise, the dhan is still "overall" king. Can Be viewed in its entirety here.The shorty drops enemies, there is no doubt about that, but the shorty can't hit shit at max "shockwave distance" and all 3 burst must land to even be concidered. Dhan is a plasma cannon that shoots 1 accurate slightly tracking cannon ball. With weakpoint bonus. Dhan is the champ. Green Dick picks lie... Clearly the max accuracy build has eluded you. Shorty can kill enemies at sniper range with the right builds. Like the hover passive on APEX Training for example. The Turian Havoc goes from an AC-130 to a god smiting all foes. You realize that buy building towards maximizing a weapons performance, you are "modding" the weapon. You can do the same thing to the hurricane and make it accurate as a P.A.W. rifle, but what are you sacrificing? Jumping up in the air a is a no no... The guns, as they are without character build or even mod support, are what I'm talking about. The dhan is beast as hell as it is, be it on a adept or a soldier. If you gotta build accuracy and support the shorty, which even when done STILL doesn't outperform the dhan, then you aren't judging just the weapon, but a build. *Also forgot to mention the fact that putting a choke on a shotgun, you are literally sacking damage from either barrel or penetration.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Sept 24, 2017 22:53:37 GMT
I notice that a lot of the new weapons have replaced the niche for some of the awesome classics like Inferno- Saber Ruzad - ClaymoreThokin - That automatic mattack, forget its name...Harrier? Soned- Spitfire/Typhoon (omfg I miss the typhoon) S.Avenger- Lancer P.A.W.- Particle Rifle. Dhan- Geth Plasma Lanat- Geth Javelin Ushor- Executioner The claymore is technically IN the game already. I agree in principle, but: Claymore >>>Ruzad Only a Krogan would understand (or probably care). I rest my case. The ruzad is almost 90% of what I remember about the claymoar, the other 10% being it was a single? ( i might be wrong, been years) Would be kinda silly if bioware released a 2K damage single shot shotgun. Would be pointless to use unless it juiced shielded enemies in one shot.
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