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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 20, 2017 21:49:16 GMT
Jaal becoming bi is unprecedented in Bioware history. Never has a characters sexuality been changed post-game in a patch. However, given that Andromeda essentially failed, I'm of the opinion that Jaal was made Bi as a last ditch effort to get sales as bi Jaal was highly requested.
This has never happened before, especially considering that the same reasons the bi Jaal people give for making him bi have also existed for other characters in other Bioware games yet their sexualities were never changed.
Thus it's clear to me that Bi Jaal was a last minute effort to try and get money for this game. I doubt he would be Bi if the ame was a smashing success. Thoughts?
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 20, 2017 21:58:17 GMT
Making him bi was a bone to the people who were upset at the lack of m/m romances in the game, no more and no less.
If nothing else, BioWare is at least aware that their reputation as LGBT friendly and romance centric is going to get them more sales than it loses.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 20, 2017 22:00:27 GMT
Jaal becoming bi is unprecedented in Bioware history. Never has a characters sexuality been changed post-game in a patch. However, given that Andromeda essentially failed, I'm of the opinion that Jaal was made Bi as a last ditch effort to get sales as bi Jaal was highly requested. This has never happened before, especially considering that the same reasons the bi Jaal people give for making him bi have also existed for other characters in other Bioware games yet their sexualities were never changed. Thus it's clear to me that Bi Jaal was a last minute effort to try and get money for this game. I doubt he would be Bi if the ame was a smashing success. Thoughts? he already did before the complaints, data mining saw his content as incomplete from my recollection but it was locked for some reason. So id say probably yes based on that fact. That and knowing people out there in the audience they would have demanded it enough for it to be an inclusion.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 20, 2017 22:15:37 GMT
This crap again?
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Post by xassantex on Sept 20, 2017 22:17:43 GMT
wasn't it also to make it possible to obtain that medal for romancing 3 characters as it was impossible for the gay male Ryder ?
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 22:24:02 GMT
Yeah. People take romances pretty seriously in Bioware games, so I think this would have been asked for and granted regardless.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 20, 2017 22:38:45 GMT
We M/M players didnt have a squadmate We M/M players didnt have a proper character with content We M/M players never had an alien We M/M players only got 2 options with crappy content in comparison with other demographics We M/M players are tired of explaining that Jaal never had a rejection for Scott, thus his straightness is not confirmed We M/M players are tired of explaining how Jaal was bi before they scrapped the idea because devs thought fragile straightbois minds couldnt handle a m/m option in the squad (this was confirmed by gaycaravaggio, person that leaked romances and other kind of info that happened to be true, your choice to believe or not, dont care) We M/M players think that Bioware Montreal screwed things up and Bioware Edmonton came to the rescue because they actually care about us We M/M players are tired of this bullshit We M/M players want a werewolf romance
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 20, 2017 22:42:42 GMT
We M/M players didnt have a squadmate We M/M players didnt have a proper character with content We M/M players never had an alien We M/M players only got 2 options with crappy content in comparison with other demographics We M/M players are tired of explaining that Jaal never had a rejection for Scott, thus his straightness is not confirmed We M/M players are tired of explaining how Jaal was bi before they scrapped the idea because devs thought fragile straightbois minds couldnt handle a m/m option in the squad (this was confirmed by gaycaravaggio, person that leaked romances and other kind of info that happened to be true, your choice to believe or not, dont care) We M/M players think that Bioware Montreal screwed things up and Bioware Edmonton came to the rescue because they actually care about us We M/M players are tired of this bullshit We M/M players want a werewolf romance and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 20, 2017 22:43:29 GMT
We M/M players didnt have a squadmate We M/M players didnt have a proper character with content We M/M players never had an alien We M/M players only got 2 options with crappy content in comparison with other demographics We M/M players are tired of explaining that Jaal never had a rejection for Scott, thus his straightness is not confirmed We M/M players are tired of explaining how Jaal was bi before they scrapped the idea because devs thought fragile straightbois minds couldnt handle a m/m option in the squad (this was confirmed by gaycaravaggio, person that leaked romances and other kind of info that happened to be true, your choice to believe or not, dont care) We M/M players think that Bioware Montreal screwed things up and Bioware Edmonton came to the rescue because they actually care about us We M/M players are tired of this bullshit We M/M players want a werewolf romance and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade I still love you senpai
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Post by Salty Drell on Sept 20, 2017 22:56:50 GMT
We M/M players didnt have a squadmate We M/M players didnt have a proper character with content We M/M players never had an alien We M/M players only got 2 options with crappy content in comparison with other demographics We M/M players are tired of explaining that Jaal never had a rejection for Scott, thus his straightness is not confirmed We M/M players are tired of explaining how Jaal was bi before they scrapped the idea because devs thought fragile straightbois minds couldnt handle a m/m option in the squad (this was confirmed by gaycaravaggio, person that leaked romances and other kind of info that happened to be true, your choice to believe or not, dont care) We M/M players think that Bioware Montreal screwed things up and Bioware Edmonton came to the rescue because they actually care about us We M/M players are tired of this bullshit We M/M players want a werewolf romance and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade Oh boy then I've got some bad news for you, you can never get away from us. No matter what fandom you go to, we are always there. You poor thing, having to tolerate our existence. It must be so hard for you. I'm sending in aid for you by helicopter. Oh wait, it's boxes full of M/M content, oh well, have fun with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:57:30 GMT
I don't really care. I'm just glad they made the right choice no matter what the reasoning honestly. Jaal is perfect now!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2017 22:59:58 GMT
Possibly. Maybe not in a patch but at least a DLC or the sequel.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 20, 2017 23:02:50 GMT
I don't really care. I'm just glad they made the right choice no matter what the reasoning honestly. Jaal is perfect now! Am I the only one who think of Jaal and Scott while listening this song? #STILLOBSESSED
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:12:42 GMT
I don't really care. I'm just glad they made the right choice no matter what the reasoning honestly. Jaal is perfect now! Am I the only one who think of Jaal and Scott while listening this song? #STILLOBSESSED Jaal-well lets just say almost everything reminds me of him. hehe!
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Post by Salty Drell on Sept 20, 2017 23:14:18 GMT
I don't really care. I'm just glad they made the right choice no matter what the reasoning honestly. Jaal is perfect now! Am I the only one who think of Jaal and Scott while listening this song? #STILLOBSESSED Fun fact: The entire mass effect franchise was actually created for Jaal and Scott, oh and the gaming industry...and the universe. It's just fate.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Sept 20, 2017 23:16:32 GMT
Am I the only one who think of Jaal and Scott while listening this song? #STILLOBSESSED Jaal-well lets just say almost everything reminds me of him. hehe! Jaal is a blessing and needs to be protected seriously I still dont get how watching so many players happy would upset some people when bi Jaal has nothing to do with their world states... Oh well I know why tho
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:19:16 GMT
We M/M players didnt have a squadmate We M/M players didnt have a proper character with content We M/M players never had an alien We M/M players only got 2 options with crappy content in comparison with other demographics We M/M players are tired of explaining that Jaal never had a rejection for Scott, thus his straightness is not confirmed We M/M players are tired of explaining how Jaal was bi before they scrapped the idea because devs thought fragile straightbois minds couldnt handle a m/m option in the squad (this was confirmed by gaycaravaggio, person that leaked romances and other kind of info that happened to be true, your choice to believe or not, dont care) We M/M players think that Bioware Montreal screwed things up and Bioware Edmonton came to the rescue because they actually care about us We M/M players are tired of this bullshit We M/M players want a werewolf romance and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade It's almost like people are expected to remain silent and complacent when video game companies continue to target only a select part of their demographic. Cause of course, all non-M/M folks are more than happy to remain silent and content with what they are given or how they or their needs are represented and depicted... Oh wait... Also, I'd argue it's a bit of an insult to the rest of the forum by arrogantly presuming they all share your narrow opinion. And I am saying this as both a gaymer, and someone who doesn't wholeheartedly agree with patching in the option to make Jaal romanceable by Scott, moreso for the troubling precedent it will inevitably set in the future in regards to romanceable characters as well as representation, rather than the fact Jaal is now romanceable by Scott, since I am glad it brought some joy for a lot of people who were let down, and voiced their concerns a they had every right to.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Sept 20, 2017 23:22:20 GMT
Making Jaal bi was and the easiest, and cheapest, way for them to win back the LGBT crowd and possibly get some good word of mouth that could lead to more sales.
Bioware probably also wanted to maintain their LGBT-friendly cred, which at this point is one of the few facets of gaming where their still top dog.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2017 1:16:28 GMT
and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade Aw, heteros find gay men annoying? Alright everyone, back under the rock. Looks like we're not getting equality this year because Steelcan is sick of our nagging.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 21, 2017 2:12:15 GMT
and the rest of us on the forums are tired of you guys, so its an even trade Aw, heteros find gay men annoying? Alright everyone, back under the rock. Looks like we're not getting equality this year because Steelcan is sick of our nagging. Harassiing people like Ladycounslor is ok?
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Post by Sifr on Sept 21, 2017 2:14:01 GMT
Making him bi was a bone to the people who were upset at the lack of m/m romances in the game, no more and no less. If nothing else, BioWare is at least aware that their reputation as LGBT friendly and romance centric is going to get them more sales than it loses. Yeah it was. :amirite: (Couldn't resist, you set me up too well there)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2017 2:16:11 GMT
Aw, heteros find gay men annoying? Alright everyone, back under the rock. Looks like we're not getting equality this year because Steelcan is sick of our nagging. Harassiing people like Ladycounslor is ok? If by "harassment" you mean "pointing out blatant hypocrisy and lies", then yes. But also, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 21, 2017 2:21:18 GMT
Harassiing people like Ladycounslor is ok? If by "harassment" you mean "pointing out blatant hypocrisy and lies", then yes. But also, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Just figured I should point out how the "accepting" bi jaalmancers are some of the most intolerant people I've yet seen against anyone who dared pint out their childish attitudes. But keep acting like people hate bi Jaalmancers because of bigotry instead of the fact that they act like intolerant children
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