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Post by alihou on Sept 22, 2017 12:48:30 GMT
Something ridiculous needs to happen to make Andromeda exciting if there's to be a sequel. Here's kind of a thought, the AI should become allies with the Kett to ward off some big bad ( whatever the Jardaan is?). They're obliged to find a common ground or the Heleus cluster is screwed. This will make the Kett interesting. Imagine learning more about their culture, communicating with them, finding that they're a misunderstood species. This will create tension, some good drama, and if written well, can be very exciting storytelling. What y'all think? I think this'll flesh out the Kett a bit more than the people we shoot guns at. But also, Andromeda is just so generic that this curve ball will make it exciting.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 22, 2017 12:58:03 GMT
I can't see any possible reason we'd ally with the Kett, and I wouldn't want to. Allying with a small group of Kett, or a single Kett (as a squadmate or something) is something I'd like to see though. I would like to know more of their culture, and where they came from, and WHY they do what they do.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Sept 22, 2017 13:06:06 GMT
As drastic as cancelling support for the series? O.o
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Post by cypherj on Sept 22, 2017 13:15:30 GMT
I had actually started writing a fan fic about this very thing.
The Initiative didn't meet the Kett in a hostile way the Kett came to them under the guise of friendship. But they were really just measuring their capabilities, numbers, finding out how any more were coming etc. I made up my own history and background for the Kett. They have their own side of the story with the war with the Angarans and since its not so black and white the Initiative doesn't want to choose a side, so they engage in delicate politics.
Then random colonists started disappearing, and no one knew why.
Finally, a group of rogue Kett warns the Initiative and they stop the Kett from taking an entire colony. They take these Kett in custody obviously, and then they get the entire story of the Kett. How they had to do this because they aren't able to procreate on their own due to reasons I had made up as well. However, in the beginning, it was just to keep the steady growth of their population and was strictly monitored, but a faction took power and used the tech and start creating an empire. So another group of Kett formed to try and put a stop to this and go back to the way things were in the beginning. Then this group allied with the Initiative and the Angarans and, but obviously there was tension and distrust towards them while they proved themselves.
I had the entire thing outlined and had written the first few chapters, but my lack of continued interest in the game caused me to give it up.
But the game should have introduced the Kett in this manner, but it's too late now, they can't go back and reintroduce the Kett.
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Post by derrame on Sept 22, 2017 16:11:54 GMT
yes!, if the situation is not dier and chaotic and he threat is not gigantic, lik the reapers, the story is boring ME must be intense, overwhelming, otherwise is just another dull, boring, tedious walk in the park
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Post by mannyray on Sept 22, 2017 16:44:37 GMT
The stakes have to be high, no doubt. Unless we're leaving the heleus cluster, this could also provide for a less wideopen world experience since the ADD crowd do so love pedestrian hallway shooters. I'd hope though we could still roam fairly freely but have the sequel give us a tighter story arc to frame some more exciting action.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Sept 22, 2017 19:49:29 GMT
something drastic, eh?
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Post by anarchy65 on Sept 22, 2017 20:24:53 GMT
My fanfic
The Benefactor turns out to be a good guy that actually reunited all those people into the Andromeda Initiative because the real main objective was to banish the most stupid people from the Milky Way so they wouldn't screw up against the Reapers. He came together with the Initiative to join the Kett in transforming these stupid people in actually intelligent kett so they could have some use in their life and stop treating everything as a comedy, which means the kett are actually the good guys. This way, he could build an army to return to the Milky Way and recolonize it, challenging the Reapers. in the sequel we then play as the Benefactor, working with the kett government, and our role is to ensure these stupid people we brought won't spread and reproduce, but are turned into useful kett instead.
In the final battle, the Hyperion Invasion, we have the chance to throw Liam and Cora out of the airlock, because they are so shitty they could corrupt the kett's genes with their shittyness.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 22, 2017 21:00:21 GMT
They need to do something even more drastic, ignore everything we are saying. In my opinion the idea of designing a game around what fans have said they liked in the past will lead to problems and it did with Andromeda, too much of the design of Andromeda was around things the internet said it liked about prior Mass Effect games and then they tried to shoehorn a story around that.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 22, 2017 22:41:23 GMT
yes!, if the situation is not dier and chaotic and he threat is not gigantic, lik the reapers, the story is boring ME must be intense, overwhelming, otherwise is just another dull, boring, tedious walk in the park Surely you meant to include a /sarcasm tag. OP needs one too.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2017 23:12:37 GMT
Something ridiculous needs to happen to make Andromeda exciting if there's to be a sequel. Here's kind of a thought, the AI should become allies with the Kett to ward off some big bad ( whatever the Jardaan is?). They're obliged to find a common ground or the Heleus cluster is screwed. This will make the Kett interesting. Imagine learning more about their culture, communicating with them, finding that they're a misunderstood species. This will create tension, some good drama, and if written well, can be very exciting storytelling. What y'all think? I think this'll flesh out the Kett a bit more than the people we shoot guns at. But also, Andromeda is just so generic that this curve ball will make it exciting. you and i are of very similarl minds. But hows this have a good AND an evil faction to the Kett. And a good AND evil faction to the Jaardan.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 23, 2017 0:05:54 GMT
Or the Moshae was the villain behind everything all along.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 23, 2017 1:10:45 GMT
Or the Moshae was the villain behind everything all along. My gawd.
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Post by dawnold on Sept 23, 2017 2:27:06 GMT
Something ridiculous needs to happen to make Andromeda exciting if there's to be a sequel. Here's kind of a thought, the AI should become allies with the Kett to ward off some big bad ( whatever the Jardaan is?). They're obliged to find a common ground or the Heleus cluster is screwed. This will make the Kett interesting. Imagine learning more about their culture, communicating with them, finding that they're a misunderstood species. This will create tension, some good drama, and if written well, can be very exciting storytelling. What y'all think? I think this'll flesh out the Kett a bit more than the people we shoot guns at. But also, Andromeda is just so generic that this curve ball will make it exciting. you and i are of very similarl minds. But hows this have a good AND an evil faction to the Kett. And a good AND evil faction to the Jaardan. It might be possible... Kett are comprised of multiple vassal species. Assuming the intel from Dr. Aden is accurate almost every one of them resisted exaltation, one of them even sabotaged their own genes in the process of doing so. Archon was pretty much defying the orders of the Senate which could mean that some, if not all, Kett are mindless. Some of the datapads written by Kett grunts seem to indicate that they still "dream" of their past lives. Kett indoctrination doesn't seem to be perfect so we could meet someone or somebody that would want to free themselves from the empire. They left the lore open and flexible enough that anything is possible, I suppose. We know even less about the Jaardan. If Sam's translations are accurate there are at least two factions (one called The Opposition). Gotta know why one side created the Angaara/vaults and why another side deployed the Scourge.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 23, 2017 13:40:44 GMT
It's not excitement that was lacking, it was the fact that there was nothing to care about in Andromeda
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 25, 2017 5:36:40 GMT
Drastic? Like to this level? Seriously though Andromeda was left in an unfinished state -in many ways -story? -books to finish it? -we shall see. I honestly don't think the Andromeda Initiative would ally with the Kett. The AI and the Kett would have to put the animosity between their species to an end...NOW! However I doubt they would ever do so -so many dead on both sides. Furthermore allying with the Kett would just proceed to alienate the Angarians. Say we are different and then after we gain your trust we side with the Kett time to be "uplifted"... No. Just not going to happen. The Kett are not about being allies. The Kett have one purpose -to uplift species to be like them... Wait........ We already got a species like that... the Borg... yep the Kett watched too much Star Trek Congrats Bioware on ripping off the Borg. Furthermore we dwelt with only a small faction of Kett in the game -those that followed the Archon mantra. Remember the Archon was ordered to "'uplift' the Helius sector". This proves that the Archon is just the boss in the Helius sector but answers to someone higher in the chain of command. A chain of command that must include other sectors -at least once I did hear in the game "Kett Empire"... or something close to it. I find it highly unlikely that an empire would consist of only a single galactic cluster. Knowing this -it is more likely than not he is just a single commander of a battalion in a massive army that spans galactic SECTORS. If he was "big-bad" then killing him would have ended all Kett fighting with the AI -which it did not -upcoming books hope to clarify. No. The Kett in the other sectors combined -into their empire or whatever it was called would most likely would be the big bad. The Jardaan are for all intents and purposes are organic and cybernetic in nature. While the Kett are nothing but DNA hodgepodges who can't even use technology symbiosis -the neural-chemical Remnant element. Also the Jardaan have been gone so long they are called "Remnant" -even by the Archon and the other Kett. So even the Kett don't know much about the Jardaan -except the Archon -if he even counts. Furthermore whatever the Jardaan is or are I am sure they would have noticed the activation of one of their Dyson Spheres. They must be a species similar to the Angarians and the Initiative -otherwise Miridian would not have turned out perfect for mankind. So I doubt the Jardaan -who supposedly created the Angara would ever be the big bad. Speculation: It is my belief that the Ancient Jardaan may have actually been the very first Angrara. Don't believe so? Then why do they call the glass tubed Angara they find in the vault: "Angara "Genetic Templates"? Templates are usually used to copy information to replace something that is failing. Another thing to ponder is why do the Remnant consoles require some sort of neural input along with the standard input? Some sort of Bioelectricity goes through the Angara which makes me think they could use the consoles -but only if trained to do so. Some have achieved partial ability but no where near the level of their ancient brethren due to lost knowledge, experience and practice. So if this speculation is true then I see more reason why the AI would ally with the Angara/Jardaan than the Kett Empire/Imperium. Possibly going to war against the Kett to retake the other Jardaan Dyson Spheres that the Kett are trying to occupy...
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Post by akaranzo on Sept 27, 2017 15:04:02 GMT
I'd make the next game completely about the Quarian ark. Forget all the generic Kett and Angara stuff, there's no way you can make that lazy piece of garbage exciting.
I would tell the story about the Quarians who arrive in a completely different part of Andromeda. One that is much more hostile and dangerous, especially considering the vulnerability of Quarians to such things. The Quarian Ark gets damaged on arrival and is unable to continue flying, rendering it immobile.
You play as a Quarian Engineer/soldier/scientist or a different option, which is both your class and your occupation in the story and you have to go with a scout team to try and find materials from the closest planet that could be used to fix the ship and get it moving again. The planet you land on is harsh in conditions, you encounter no alien life but the natural environment is dangerous enough to kill several on your team, and nearly the Quarian you're playing as.
You survive however, and recover materials that seem to be familiar enough to be worked into usable parts that can fix the ship. The ship gets moving again but you uncover a terrible truth. Along with the materials you brought came a pathogen that spreads and infects Quarians, killing them outright... or creating something even worse (not exactly Necromorphs obviously but something close to that, inspired by Dead Space, I know I'm unoriginal).
Anyway the next part of the game would be you trying to survive on this ship, helping as many others as you could find and making sure that it stays afloat and doesn't plummet into the nearest planet (a bigger, much more advanced version of the Joker mission in ME2). Eventually though you see that if you stay, it's only a matter of time until you yourself become infected so you have to escape the ship.
You disable the ship once again, to make sure it stays where it is, board an escape shuttle and set out in the star system to try and find something that could help you fix this situation and save what's left to be saved. You're with a few Quarians that you saved and perhaps a Geth unit that was snuck aboard by someone, thus creating the squad.
You start going to the nearby planets and this is where the game opens up, you seek allies, resources, perhaps a cure of some sort. Each planet offers different challenges though and the environment is the harshest enemy of all, but eventually you do of course run into wildlife in Andromeda, and finally another species as well. But the species is not humanoid or English speaking, in fact it is so alien and so different from you that you spend most of the game even trying to figure out how to communicate with these things and how you approach that, is up to you as the player.
I think that this version of seeing the Andromeda galaxy would offer a much more compelling and intense experience. Sure, it may be a bit tougher to relate to as you're playing as an alien but I feel like it would be very possible to humanize the Quarians and make you see the dynamics of their culture and relationships at the start of the game, making you care for them. It would be a bit more linear in places and there would be less shooting and more just navigating the strange worlds your visiting. The communication with another species would make for a unique experience as you see what you're really like - are you patient and attempt to figure out the best way to communicate with someone or will you try to seize control over them and essentially make them your servants. There's a lot of possibility for narrative choices and some new and experimental themes to be explored in the Mass Effect universe.
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