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Post by Darkstarr11 on Mar 11, 2018 15:10:25 GMT
My vote is for Addison. Yes, there were a BUNCH of idiots running the Initative. Apparently THEY got wiped out by the Scourge, but SOMEHOW, a bunch of pencil pushers got stuck in charge. While Tann is...irritating, he does back you (even if the reasoning is for his own benefit), yet Addison CONTINUALLY screws up. Spender? That's on her. The supplies, the mercs that went bad...trying to delay the Tempest? Every time she gets caught, she begs for you to hush it up so she doesn't suffer any retribution. Also, she dismisses EVERYBODY repeatedly. Alec Ryder? Apparently, he's just some nobody. The ONLY person she seemed to hold in any sort of regard was Jien Garson. Rarely does she stick her neck out. Again, I'm going to bring up Spender...she KNEW he was dirty, and let it slide to make HER job easier. Dr. Kennedy? The whole baby issue? Let's be honest...if Addison had ANY sort of charm, she could have explained to Kennedy about waiting, and if she thought she was going to bolt anyway, could have had her locked down, or had security 'protect' her from herself. Hiring Exiles for security AFTER letting them get screwed over by Spender during the little revolt, and NOT expecting them to cut and run with the weapons and supplies. Having the forward stations hacked, and keeping it to herself was a GENIUS move. THEN acts like everyone else is in the wrong for being obstructive. I'm betting she was left out during dodgeball or the prom...
Yes, there were headaches...but Spender got his, and the Archon is in the morgue...Addison? STILL THERE. I hope she gets replaced in a sequel...stick her on an uncharted world where she won't trouble ANYONE ever again...OR, have her converted into a Kett, and make her THEIR headache...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 5:55:45 GMT
But the dumbest person is that blonde guy who keep getting himself into trouble across Eos. Danny Messier? Isn't he the new Conrad Verner? |
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Post by ahglock on Jun 19, 2018 3:35:48 GMT
Whoever decided bringing Krogan along was a good idea.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 19, 2018 15:02:13 GMT
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Post by xassantex on Jun 19, 2018 15:10:56 GMT
But the dumbest person is that blonde guy who keep getting himself into trouble across Eos. Danny Messier? Isn't he the new Conrad Verner? yeah he is.. he's dumb as fuck and naive but kind of cool at the same time. |
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Post by Sifr on Jun 19, 2018 20:27:35 GMT
Whoever decided bringing Krogan along was a good idea. More like, whoever decided pissing off the Krogan was a good idea.
Did anyone learn a single thing from the Krogan Rebellions? 
(Humans have some excuse for not being around back then, but the Asari, Salarians and Turians should definitely know better)
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Post by dazk on Jun 21, 2018 4:01:02 GMT
The guy who asks at Prodromos if they should stop teaching Milky Way history.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 26, 2018 4:25:09 GMT
Whoever decided bringing Krogan along was a good idea. More like, whoever decided pissing off the Krogan was a good idea.
Did anyone learn a single thing from the Krogan Rebellions?
(Humans have some excuse for not being around back then, but the Asari, Salarians and Turians should definitely know better)
Happy/mad the Krogan breed way way way too fast for them not to be a threat to everything. If the plan was to sabotage them in cryo so the genophage was reinforced maybe but heal it, effing moronic. the krogan as a society never have portrayed themselves as loyal friends. The Krogan rebellions weren't about a justifiably rebellion against an oppressor, they were given land then overpopulated it, then began attacking other council races territories taking it as their own. The lesson they should have learned is either neuter them or kill them, they may not be inherently more evil than any other race, but math is a bitch and when you will overpopulate a cluster in a few generations it gets bad fast. |
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 26, 2018 6:45:39 GMT
The guy who asks at Prodromos if they should stop teaching Milky Way history. This. It kinda stopped me into my tracks in the game.  |
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Post by dazk on Jun 26, 2018 23:45:24 GMT
The guy who asks at Prodromos if they should stop teaching Milky Way history. This. It kinda stopped me into my tracks in the game. LOL it was one of those moments where my brain went WTF and didn't even really comprehend what was being asked.  Then it was yes of course you idiot!!!!!  |
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Post by Quickpaw on Jun 28, 2018 5:28:52 GMT
The Krogan went from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 25 chance, which evens out the possible family sizes to around human-ish. Plus I have a serious problem with anyone who's okay with punishing someone for something they didn't do.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 29, 2018 6:32:17 GMT
Happy/mad the Krogan breed way way way too fast for them not to be a threat to everything. If the plan was to sabotage them in cryo so the genophage was reinforced maybe but heal it, effing moronic. the krogan as a society never have portrayed themselves as loyal friends. The Krogan rebellions weren't about a justifiably rebellion against an oppressor, they were given land then overpopulated it, then began attacking other council races territories taking it as their own. The lesson they should have learned is either neuter them or kill them, they may not be inherently more evil than any other race, but math is a bitch and when you will overpopulate a cluster in a few generations it gets bad fast. No-one is saying that the Krogans weren't definitely at fault for invading other planets after they quickly overpopulated the worlds they were given, but the Council definitely had a part to play in the mistakes that lead to the Rebellions. As we saw in ME1-3, the Council has often shown itself to be imperious, overly bureaucratic and dismissive of anything they don't wish to hear. They have a habit of preferring to sweep things under the rug until the problem becomes too large to ignore, then proceed to jump on the quickest, easiest solution they can find. So it wouldn't surprise me that in the aftermath of the Rachni War, the Council may have decided to fob off unwanted worlds as a "reward" to the Krogan, without having fully considered that the Krogan evolved to have explosive birthrates due to the many predators and environmental hazards present on their homeworld.
Rather than giving them "safe" garden worlds to settle on, the Council should have opted for more hazardous world similar to Tuchanka, that would been sufficient to keep the Krogan's population levels and growth more stable.
(The Krogan were given several conquered Rachni worlds, but we don't know what what the environmental conditions of those worlds were? Rachni worlds are often hazardous, but the Rachni can still survive in environments that most species find tolerable, so it's possible these may have been former Council worlds taken by the Rachni during the War.)
Rather than digging their heels in and demanding the seized worlds be immediately returned, the Council should have made it their top priority to search for worlds more suited to limit/contain Krogan population growth. After that was accomplished, then they could have negotiated for the repatriation of the annexed worlds.
I'm not suggesting that the Krogan were right to demand lebensraum, nor that the Council were wrong for wanting back worlds that were forcibly taken. Appeasement is almost always a terrible solution, but it could have at least bought the Council time to find worlds more "suitable" for handling the Krogan.
(Or at the very least, this could have given the Salarians time to secretly work on the genophage without the galaxy going to war first)
The other issue that the races that made up the Council (at the time) typically look down on the Krogan, especially the Salarians. Most Salarians can't help but drop the fact they uplifted the Krogan into the conversation, as well as treat them like savage brutes who'd still be squatting in the ruins of their homeworld, if it weren't for them. TD;DR, the lesson that should have been learned from the Krogan Rebellions is to treat the Krogan with respect, rather than as disposable muscle that can be thrown away or ignored the moment they're no longer needed to fix everyone else's problems. In-universe history has shown is the fastest way to turn a bad situation into something far worse. As we saw in Andromeda, Tann and much of the surviving upper echelon's prejudices against the Krogan as "savage brutes who'll never change", lead to them employing the Krogan to put down the Uprising in exchange for more political sway, only to immediately backpedal once it was over. If that insult wasn't enough, the Nexus leadership then tried to gaslight them that there was never any agreement in the first place.
As for the genophage, at no point did the Andromeda Initiative ever intend to cure it. They were only hoping to use gene therapy to exploit a unique mutation that Clan Nakmor had developed that showed resistance to it, allowing them to successfully increase their fertility rate from 0.1% up to 4%. A female Krogan can produce 1000 fertilised eggs in a year, but the genophage means only 1 egg would survive. In Andromeda, that's increased so that a female Krogan can have up to 40 children in a year, which sounds like a huge increase, but is still miniscule compared to their natural, pre-Genophage birthrate. And between Krogan infighting, their tendency to seek out dangerous things to fight (like the Remnant Abyssal) for fun, the hostilities between the Initiative and the Outcasts, the presence of the Kett, the harsh environment of Elaadan and several other Heleus worlds (even with their Vaults active), that should be enough to keep the Krogan population fairly stable for the time being.
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Post by melbella on Jul 1, 2018 17:26:29 GMT
We also see hesitance with some of the females even wanting to try to have children, so it's not like they have all turned into Dr. Kennedy and just can't wait.
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Post by turianlannister on Jul 4, 2018 4:07:43 GMT
But the dumbest person is that blonde guy who keep getting himself into trouble across Eos. Danny Messier? Isn't he the new Conrad Verner? Nah, Cassandra Verner is the new Conrad |
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jul 5, 2018 15:16:23 GMT
1,632-way tie: All the random Outlaws who jump out to shoot at Ryder's squad on the planetary surfaces.
Seriously, you all spent 10,000 years in cryosleep and woke up in the middle of a war between two powerful alien races, and you decided the best thing to do was to act like total psychopaths and shoot anything that moves? And you stuck to this plan *after* it already got dozens of similarly-minded colleagues killed?
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Post by Quickpaw on Jul 5, 2018 17:30:48 GMT
1,632-way tie: All the random Outlaws who jump out to shoot at Ryder's squad on the planetary surfaces. Seriously, you all spent 10,000 years in cryosleep and woke up in the middle of a war between two powerful alien races, and you decided the best thing to do was to act like total psychopaths and shoot anything that moves? And you stuck to this plan *after* it already got dozens of similarly-minded colleagues killed? Depends on how seriously you take the plot point of the "cryo-psychopathy" that Lexi discovered and was trying to treat on Elaaden (I personally see it as a convenient excuse that I don't put much stock in. No Lexi, I DON'T think our screening process for the Initiative was all that effective). |
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Post by ropedrink on Aug 8, 2018 19:02:39 GMT
You can be smart AND a belittling biatch at same time. She's done well for someone who got screwed over by Tann and had to carve a home for exiles elsewhere. The fact she calls the Pathfinder to be there for a meeting shows intelligence to me, not stupidity - couldn't think of someone better to have at your back when something is going to go down. Judging by the 50/50 vote, it worked out - I expected the survey to list very heavily towards Reyes (who I always keep off the 'throne' so to speak). Either people paid attention to her // suspected Reyes of not actually being much better than her, or people just failed to keep their finger off the RMB. As for the topic, Addison is a candidate. There's next to no proof that she's been in any way competent at her job whatsoever, even when that job involved very little due to lack of Pathfinder. Her brain is just as tired as her face - any energy it had was spent grilling a potential Pathfinder regarding the death of their single parent (as far as they were concerned) and trying to crush hope in a hopeless situation. Verner would be a too-obvious pick given she was written with stupidity in mind as a comic-relief reference to an equally stupid person.
I'd say Liam but that's because his character makes the most baffling and nonsensically childish decisions ever as barely likeable character - if I listed him it would be purely because I don't like him, not because he's 100% stupid (although he makes it very hard to argue that he isn't).
Anyone mentioning Tann would likely do so purely out of dislike for him - but he's clearly not stupid. I'd go as far as say I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he was the benefactor - the whole thing just seems a front for a schemer like him. Convenient promotion, covered up murder, rebellion on the Nexus for further confusion, ties to accountancy (benefactor was quick with money) -- all the while playing innocent little director trying to mediate a bunch of sub-leaders, most of which have their own intentions in mind, and one particularly incompetent one (Addison) who just happened to have Spender under her wing. Hello Mr.Spender, help me piss off these Krogan. I'm not a Krogan-Hating-Salarian at all, at all, at all... Oh, by the way, make me leader of the Initiative pls.
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Post by melbella on Aug 15, 2018 2:03:59 GMT
You can be smart AND a belittling biatch at same time. She's done well for someone who got screwed over by Tann and had to carve a home for exiles elsewhere. The fact she calls the Pathfinder to be there for a meeting shows intelligence to me, not stupidity - couldn't think of someone better to have at your back when something is going to go down. Judging by the 50/50 vote, it worked out - I expected the survey to list very heavily towards Reyes (who I always keep off the 'throne' so to speak). Either people paid attention to her // suspected Reyes of not actually being much better than her, or people just failed to keep their finger off the RMB. As for the topic, Addison is a candidate. There's next to no proof that she's been in any way competent at her job whatsoever, even when that job involved very little due to lack of Pathfinder. Her brain is just as tired as her face - any energy it had was spent grilling a potential Pathfinder regarding the death of their single parent (as far as they were concerned) and trying to crush hope in a hopeless situation. Verner would be a too-obvious pick given she was written with stupidity in mind as a comic-relief reference to an equally stupid person.
I'd say Liam but that's because his character makes the most baffling and nonsensically childish decisions ever as barely likeable character - if I listed him it would be purely because I don't like him, not because he's 100% stupid (although he makes it very hard to argue that he isn't).
Anyone mentioning Tann would likely do so purely out of dislike for him - but he's clearly not stupid. I'd go as far as say I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he was the benefactor - the whole thing just seems a front for a schemer like him. Convenient promotion, covered up murder, rebellion on the Nexus for further confusion, ties to accountancy (benefactor was quick with money) -- all the while playing innocent little director trying to mediate a bunch of sub-leaders, most of which have their own intentions in mind, and one particularly incompetent one (Addison) who just happened to have Spender under her wing. Hello Mr.Spender, help me piss off these Krogan. I'm not a Krogan-Hating-Salarian at all, at all, at all... Oh, by the way, make me leader of the Initiative pls.
You really need to read Nexus Uprising. Tann was in cryo initially and only brought out - by Sloane, Addison, and someone I'm forgetting - because his name was next on the list of "leaders who aren't dead" due to the Scourge encounter. He didn't ask to be made leader. He was brought out of cryo because he was next in line to be the leader (Number 8, as Kesh calls him  ).
And no, he isn't stupid, but he is ineffective. He wields his "leader" stick like a hammer because he doesn't have any way to actually convince people to do anything.
Re: Sloane - Tann messed up yes, but screw over Sloane? Not really. She made her bed and now she has to lie in it. Tann did screw over the krogan, however.
PS - when you quote someone, it would be nice to include the name of the person you are quoting.
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Post by ropedrink on Aug 15, 2018 4:43:52 GMT
You say it like it wasn't her intention to do exactly that once things went sideways and she made up her mind about the leadership. It was her choice and she did well out of it. Considering what we learn of the entire leadership circle, it should be no surprise why she left to carve a future for herself and the others. Reyes also banked on your presence at high-noon, not just Sloane. You could argue it was less intelligent of him to bank his entire hidden identity needlessly. Sloane practically force-fed him an opportunity to keep his identity secret but he blurts it out expecting you to go along with his plan. Not very smart when it is soon followed by a decision that could blow all his hard work into non-existence. I wouldn't trust the Nexus leaders as far as I can throw them. Even Kesh only gets a minor pass - she's got her own best interests in mind, except she also just happens to be a relatively nice/relatable character and is the most direct/blunt of the bunch when it comes to leadership opinions, except maybe Kandros, but he's less prominent.
PS. There's no point suggesting the uprising book as it just reaffirms my opinion about Sloane.
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