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Post by poultrymancer on Oct 5, 2017 17:22:20 GMT
So, I'll probably login for the first time in a while to give her a try this evening, but for now I'm only able to view the character in the app.
I noticed an oddity that I'm hoping is an incorrectly-displayed value.
Defense Drone ----------
Shield Heal: 10 Shield Heal Cooldown [seconds]: 10 Drone Attack Damage: 100 Drone Attack Range [meters]: 5 Drone Attack Cooldown [seconds]: 15 Stun Duration [seconds]: 1.5 -----------
As a defensive ability, I expected the drone's attack to be underwhelming, but that shield boost value just can't be intended, right? Ten shields every ten seconds? That wouldn't be useful on Wood difficulty. Can someone confirm if the same value is displaying in-game?
Other than that, I'm curious how people intend to build her. How well do Invasion and Cryo Beam work together? Does Invasion's 6A Virulence detonation fuck up Fapsneeze chains? One of the people I used to play with claimed it did, but I never paid enough attention myself to verify.
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Post by monk on Oct 5, 2017 17:39:17 GMT
Probably just an App thing. In game it's 75.
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Post by poultrymancer on Oct 5, 2017 18:17:10 GMT
Probably just an App thing. In game it's 75. Well, that's still not terribly impressive, but I guess with the relevant evos it might not be completely useless. Might be a zero- or three-ranks-it-Def-Passive character. Shame since it's a unique passive. Hopefully it'll be better in practice than it seems from the numbers.
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Post by snowleopard25 on Oct 5, 2017 18:21:50 GMT
I watched Nathan on the Bio twitch stream today using the Artificer and the Sovoa. I could not get a feel for how the powers worked together, and Nathan was really showing off the Sovoa. I did see the defense drone blow up a couple of NPCs, and it looked pretty cool. It's not a tank, and I didn't see him use melee once. It does have a good slide/jump/speed setup.
Guess I better get busy and get one...
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Post by SassaMFG on Oct 5, 2017 18:48:56 GMT
As far I can tell Invasion 6a and Cryo Beam 6a work good if you manage to freeze mooks before Invasion detonates. At least, that was my impression, but could be wrong one. Ditched VI for now and went to rank 6 in all others. Well, Offensive tech is at 3 atm because I'm level 15. I like her, managed to top score against level 20 30k apex rating pugs.
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Post by unclemonster on Oct 5, 2017 18:59:41 GMT
I watched Nathan on the Bio twitch stream today using the Artificer and the Sovoa. I could not get a feel for how the powers worked together, and Nathan was really showing off the Sovoa. I did see the defense drone blow up a couple of NPCs, and it looked pretty cool. It's not a tank, and I didn't see him use melee once. It does have a good slide/jump/speed setup. Guess I better get busy and get one... It was Bastiaan...
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Post by snowleopard25 on Oct 5, 2017 19:20:45 GMT
I watched Nathan on the Bio twitch stream today using the Artificer and the Sovoa. I could not get a feel for how the powers worked together, and Nathan was really showing off the Sovoa. I did see the defense drone blow up a couple of NPCs, and it looked pretty cool. It's not a tank, and I didn't see him use melee once. It does have a good slide/jump/speed setup. Guess I better get busy and get one... It was Bastiaan... My error and apologies. I didn't start at the beginning, and I guess I wasn't paying attention. Thanks for pointing that out!
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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Oct 6, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
I leveled her up to 18 (XX) and she's okay. The drone is a good CC and great against the damn dogs. She's okay, nothing like the Jugg, though. The Sovoa is absolutely meh, boring and pretty shitty damage. I really wonder why Bioware hates assault rifles so much.
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Post by snowleopard25 on Oct 6, 2017 20:41:25 GMT
I played 6 gold pugs last night, and every one of them had at least one newly minted ArtsyFartsy. I spent a lot of time in all 6 games reviving the "Artificer"... Just sayin
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Oct 6, 2017 21:21:36 GMT
I leveled her up to 18 (XX) and she's okay. The drone is a good CC and great against the damn dogs. She's okay, nothing like the Jugg, though. The Sovoa is absolutely meh, boring and pretty shitty damage. I really wonder why Bioware hates assault rifles so much. Id bet my bento box that whoever the person is that said, "Hey lets remove the built in mods on assault rifles, make them less usefull than smgs, and make it so either they fire 2 bullets per second or make them so inaccurate they hit everything but what's in the reticule." Is the same individual that thought variant weapons times 10x3 was a fantastic idea.
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Post by poultrymancer on Oct 7, 2017 0:01:38 GMT
Just discovered that melee kills trigger Fapsneeze explosions as long as you have the evo, which is pretty sweet. Nice way to clear out unarmored clumps. May toy around with a melee build at some point.
Anyone know if the Cryo Gauntlet gets the 35% buff from Elemental Tech?
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Oct 7, 2017 10:40:57 GMT
Just discovered that melee kills trigger Fapsneeze ? explosions as long as you have the evo, which is pretty sweet. Nice way to clear out unarmored clumps. May toy around with a melee build at some point. Anyone know if the Cryo Gauntlet gets the 35% buff from Elemental Tech? Not sure if you get 35% from elemental tech. But Melee build might be better built on a juggernaut.
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Post by derrame on Oct 7, 2017 18:42:08 GMT
i relly like this character, it would be better if the drone and remnant VI are faster
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Post by poultrymancer on Oct 7, 2017 18:46:19 GMT
Just discovered that melee kills trigger Fapsneeze ? explosions as long as you have the evo, which is pretty sweet. Nice way to clear out unarmored clumps. May toy around with a melee build at some point. Anyone know if the Cryo Gauntlet gets the 35% buff from Elemental Tech? Not sure if you get 35% from elemental tech. But Melee build might be better built on a juggernaut. Jugg has Snap Freeze (ability), not the Snap Freeze evo (of Cryo Beam). He's certainly more survivable in CQC, but he won't get those sweet cryosplosions.
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Post by toast on Oct 7, 2017 18:58:49 GMT
I've noticed something odd; either its my Hesh, or the Defense Drone, but I just killed myself while attacking with a Hesh (Siphon) when the Defense Drone attack went off.
Does Hesh cause reflect damage that I'm not aware of? Or is the DD bugged out and causing self damage?
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Post by anddill on Oct 7, 2017 19:38:36 GMT
Had a strange Bug last Game. The Drone was completely missing. Not only a visual glitch, even the defense pulse was never triggered when an enemy approached.
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Post by iakona on Oct 7, 2017 19:45:13 GMT
Just discovered that melee kills trigger Fapsneeze explosions as long as you have the evo, which is pretty sweet. Nice way to clear out unarmored clumps. May toy around with a melee build at some point. Anyone know if the Cryo Gauntlet gets the 35% buff from Elemental Tech? It won't trigger ET, but since it deals cold damage it does get a damage bonus to targets that have ET active.
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Post by PATPATPATlol on Oct 8, 2017 14:59:23 GMT
Unlocked her but haven't played her yet. She does not look that interesting to me.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Oct 8, 2017 15:48:05 GMT
Unlocked her but haven't played her yet. She does not look that interesting to me. She has more utility than Batman. (and I mean batarian soldier...) One of the few classes where you have to actually decide which of the 5 skill paths you want to give 1 point. IMO highest team play potential of all other characters do to how cryo and invasion work. As well as drone stuns and how everything primes. But I have to admit, once again another class of things we all seen before, and not having a detonator personally makes her kinda boring. (VI is not a detonator...)
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Post by thelostturian on Oct 8, 2017 16:19:39 GMT
She feels quite tanky with 5 points in passives. The drone is ok. Other than that I use invasion and hurricane+distruptor ammo. Snapfreeze seems to be a waste of time on gold vs most enemies. I only use it vs. krobros and dog parties. I have not tried plat with her, she is not levelled up.
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Post by toast on Oct 8, 2017 17:26:24 GMT
V1 feels lackluster. Cryo Beam leaves you very exposed, as well. However, with the Rank 6A evo on Cyro Beam + the Rank 6A on Invasion, could be an explosive mix. Respecced to go that route.
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Post by onehitparry on Oct 9, 2017 0:52:44 GMT
The Artificer is certainly an interesting character. I've played a few rounds with her and I like that she can take down mobs pretty easily, but isn't completely ineffective against armor. I had a few questions about her abilities. I thought about starting separate threads, but I thought I would ask here because since it's in the context of playing the Artificer.
1) How does the spread of Invasion work? Is there an incubation period or something? Or does it immediately start spreading upon "hit"? Does it jump targets like Dark Channel? I ask because Invasion seems to spread most of the time, but sometimes not (probably out of spread distance or lag issues). There's also the outbreak evolution, which seems to increase the number of initial targets (I think)?
Edit: I tested Outbreak myself. Trade-off between cool down and hitting multiple targets per cast. Unsure which evolution is best. More often than not I'd rather have cool down, but the few times I manage to hit a cluster of enemies with Invasion, it's worked out pretty well. Still not sure how invasion spreads after it's been cast.
2) What's the damage on the Invasion explosion? What bonuses increase the explosion damage? Tech/power damage or combo damage?
3) Similarly, what increases damage on snap freeze explosions from Cryo Beam?
I appreciate any help I can get.
Also, bummer that the defense drone's stun attack sometimes fails if the enemy has stun immunity (from beings stunned recently). Also bummer that Berserkers don't seem to really care about the stun attack because the only time it triggers on them is when they have stun invincibility from their charge attack. I guess we wouldn't want to make things too easy no would we?
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Post by poultrymancer on Oct 9, 2017 13:51:49 GMT
Re the rank 4 evo: I took the cooldown for a long time with the Operator, but I ultimately found Outbreak to have more utility.
When your initial target is something large and reasonably likely to last at least several seconds after the cast time, e.g. a Hydra, the cooldown bonus makes sense. But I found myself often casting Invasion and then both deliberately avoiding that target to give it time to spread and hoping squadmates would do the same. Unfortunately, a flashing red target draws the eye, so as often as not my Invasion target would immediately become the focus of any player in the area, and would very often not last long enough for the debuff the spread. So, purely in terms of spreading the debuff across many enemies, I've found it far better to hit 2-3 targets with the initial cast less frequently than one slightly more often.
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Post by Ronik82 on Oct 9, 2017 15:56:48 GMT
For a Platinum Team Support Build, I was thinking something along the line of taking Drone up to Rank 4 for either Cooldown Reduction or increased Drone health. Then maxing out Defense Drone going for Drone Recharge, Defense Systems and Drone Support. Maxing out Invasion with Outbreak, Weaken and Virulence seems almost like a no-brainer - but I'm not yet sure how to divide points between Cryo Beam and Offensive Tech. Haven't made a choice yet concerning weapons and equipment/boosters either...
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Post by toast on Oct 9, 2017 17:42:48 GMT
After messing with Cyro Rank 6A, I'm not that impressed. On paper it seems like it would sync well with Invasion - Virulence, but the snap freezes don't occur very often. I can hit one or two enemies, and half the time they fall behind cover anyway. That, or it's easier to just shoot the enemy and have Invasion go off. I wish she had Snap Freeze or Flamethrower instead.
All in all, I think the Salarian Operator is just as effective if you want to utilize Invasion.
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