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Post by agentchieftain on Oct 11, 2017 9:08:54 GMT
Mainly because I'd like to see more class specializations that allow one class to encroach on another's territory. Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanters are mages who delve into warrior territory. Duelists and Legion Scouts are rogues who also delved into more warrior-esque things. Spirit Warriors are warriors who go into mage territory. And Tempests are rogues who also go (somewhat) into mage territory.
What we haven't seen so far is either a warrior or a mage that does rogue things. I think both Fog Warrior and Virtuoso would work perfectly.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Oct 11, 2017 10:28:03 GMT
I know about fog warriors and think that would be a cool spec, but what's a virtuoso?
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Post by agentchieftain on Oct 11, 2017 10:38:13 GMT
I know about fog warriors and think that would be a cool spec, but what's a virtuoso? It's what the multiplayer character Zither is. He's a mage/bard. Rather than channeling/focusing magic the usual way, (staves, careful focus, etc.) he does it through playing music. |
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 11, 2017 11:00:16 GMT
A sort of magic/monk hybrid could accomplish this goal. No armor, but instead of throwing spells, they channel them through their fists, sort of like chi is focused in traditional monks.
That's probably the only mage/rogue I'd like to play. The Virtuoso is a bit of a gimmick for me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2017 11:02:03 GMT
I like your ideas but instead of calling it a Virtuoso, that could essentially be what Fog Dancers do. Except that instead of using a "civilised" musical instrument they could either use something more appropriate to their culture or alternatively do a combination of song/dance to channel the magic. That could certainly be the means by which they summon up the fog that surrounds the Fog Warriors when they attack. There is certainly a great deal of potential in the Fog Warriors and Fog Dancers to develop two really unique and interesting specialisations.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 11, 2017 11:52:19 GMT
I like your ideas but instead of calling it a Virtuoso, that could essentially be what Fog Dancers do. Except that instead of using a "civilised" musical instrument they could either use something more appropriate to their culture or alternatively do a combination of song/dance to channel the magic. That could certainly be the means by which they summon up the fog that surrounds the Fog Warriors when they attack. There is certainly a great deal of potential in the Fog Warriors and Fog Dancers to develop two really unique and interesting specialisations. The problem with that is at least according with Bull he assumed that the Warriors had no magic, so he figured it was alchemy. Of course under the assumption that Fog Warriors don't have any Mages. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2017 12:04:10 GMT
Clearly he wouldn't know everything about the Fog Warriors methods because they would wish to keep them a secret. In WoT the Fog Dancers are described as simply lore keepers and storytellers but then you could say the same about the Keepers in the Dalish clans. WoT also says that the Fog Warriors arrive "amid a deep and unnatural fog that is assumed to be magical", so either the writers backtracked on this in having Bull say what he did or he just doesn't know. If it was a strange magic, unlike anything the Qunari had encountered elsewhere, may be they did assume it was alchemy of some sort.
Weather Weaving is a spell in the Core Rule Book so a magically induced fog would be in keeping with the lore and seems more likely to be the cause of the phenomenon rather than them simply using flasks or similar device to cloak themselves in "fog". |
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 11, 2017 16:01:38 GMT
Mainly because I'd like to see more class specializations that allow one class to encroach on another's territory. Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanters are mages who delve into warrior territory. Duelists and Legion Scouts are rogues who also delved into more warrior-esque things. Spirit Warriors are warriors who go into mage territory. And Tempests are rogues who also go (somewhat) into mage territory. What we haven't seen so far is either a warrior or a mage that does rogue things. I think both Fog Warrior and Virtuoso would work perfectly. We've had some warrior skill trees that incorporate rogue-ness (see: battlemaster), but no spec. I think a Fog Warrior or Fog Dancer sounds like a lot of fun. A heavy-hitter that uses distraction (and fear?) to win the game. Sidenote, I hope one of the Fog Warriors Danarius sic'd Fenris on is still alive. And angry. And a companion. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 16:07:39 GMT
Mainly because I'd like to see more class specializations that allow one class to encroach on another's territory. Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanters are mages who delve into warrior territory. Duelists and Legion Scouts are rogues who also delved into more warrior-esque things. Spirit Warriors are warriors who go into mage territory. And Tempests are rogues who also go (somewhat) into mage territory. What we haven't seen so far is either a warrior or a mage that does rogue things. I think both Fog Warrior and Virtuoso would work perfectly. We've had some warrior skill trees that incorporate rogue-ness (see: battlemaster), but no spec. I think a Fog Warrior or Fog Dancer sounds like a lot of fun. A heavy-hitter that uses distraction (and fear?) to win the game. Sidenote, I hope one of the Fog Warriors Danarius sic'd Fenris on is still alive. And angry. And a companion. That would be sweet. |
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 11, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
I’m in favour of a Virtuoso specialization. I’m not sure if it would work out of MP, and it might get tiresome over the course of a long playthrough. But I might be more inclined to make a mage character if I can “play” my spells as opposed to just going “pew pew.”
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Post by eriador117 on Oct 11, 2017 18:19:12 GMT
Mainly because I'd like to see more class specializations that allow one class to encroach on another's territory. Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanters are mages who delve into warrior territory. Duelists and Legion Scouts are rogues who also delved into more warrior-esque things. Spirit Warriors are warriors who go into mage territory. And Tempests are rogues who also go (somewhat) into mage territory. What we haven't seen so far is either a warrior or a mage that does rogue things. I think both Fog Warrior and Virtuoso would work perfectly. We've had some warrior skill trees that incorporate rogue-ness (see: battlemaster), but no spec. I think a Fog Warrior or Fog Dancer sounds like a lot of fun. A heavy-hitter that uses distraction (and fear?) to win the game. Sidenote, I hope one of the Fog Warriors Danarius sic'd Fenris on is still alive. And angry. And a companion. That would be good! |
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Post by agentchieftain on Oct 12, 2017 8:47:39 GMT
I like your ideas but instead of calling it a Virtuoso, that could essentially be what Fog Dancers do. Except that instead of using a "civilised" musical instrument they could either use something more appropriate to their culture or alternatively do a combination of song/dance to channel the magic. That could certainly be the means by which they summon up the fog that surrounds the Fog Warriors when they attack. There is certainly a great deal of potential in the Fog Warriors and Fog Dancers to develop two really unique and interesting specialisations. My issue with that is it would trivialize the Fog Warrior specialization by making it dependent on having a Fog Dancer around. If the fog is alchemical, like Iron Bull suspects, that means a warrior could carry a flask filled with the mixture and throw it down in battle (much like a smoke bomb) and go to work using gear and techniques that give them the edge in such conditions (which is a very rogue-like thing to do, and the reason why I wanted it as a warrior spec.) But if the Fog Warriors are dependent on Fog Dancers to create the fog for them, then they would have little to no use on their own. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 12, 2017 14:04:37 GMT
This is true and may well be why they did have Bull say that in contradiction to the WoT because they want to make it a warrior specification in its own right and not dependent on anyone else. I just liked the idea that the fog would drift in first and the warriors move in under cover of it, take out their enemies and then withdraw, after which the fog lifts to reveal the results. This would probably require a bit more fog then could be produced by a single flask or even several flasks used together but I'll take the alchemical explanation if it allows for a new unique class associated with the Fog People.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 12, 2017 15:38:10 GMT
the fog would drift in first and the warriors move in under cover of it, take out their enemies and then withdraw, after which the fog lifts to reveal the results. The Fog Warriors are basically Zabuza.  aight that's enough weeb for one day |
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