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Post by Sartoz on May 13, 2018 18:09:09 GMT
Here is EA avoiding being upfront with the microtransactions issue and Anthem from a comic book article
"... Jorgenson spoke about sales primarily, as is his job, as well as projections for the game and progression of release. When talking about microtransactions, "monetisable additions," he mentioned that they won't be added into the game itself until post-launch. This is most likely to ensure a more positive reception given how much of a touchy subject microtransactions are in relation to the company..."
That to me is being shady.
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Post by melbella on May 13, 2018 18:34:03 GMT
What's shady about adding content later, and saying that's what they plan to do? Seems like the shady option would be to NOT say anything about it ahead of time. And if it IS added later, guess what? You don't need it to play or progress in the game.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 13, 2018 18:42:20 GMT
What's shady about adding content later, and saying that's what they plan to do? Seems like the shady option would be to NOT say anything about it ahead of time. And if it IS added later, guess what? You don't need it to play or progress in the game. It's shady because it violates the cult of $60 Forever number 1 tenet. While the cult of Only A Chump Pays $60 For A Game, Wait For The Sale think the $60 Forever guys are a bunch of dilettantes.
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Post by Sartoz on May 14, 2018 0:54:13 GMT
What's shady about adding content later, and saying that's what they plan to do? Seems like the shady option would be to NOT say anything about it ahead of time. And if it IS added later, guess what? You don't need it to play or progress in the game.
Hm... let's see. (1) Game reviewers can't comment on microtransaction 'cause their not present = missing crucial info = one less negative point about the game from reviewers.
(2) Some time after the game launch, BAM!... enter microtransactions = tough luck buddy = I did mention "live-services" .
(3) The cover in the game box will not say " hey consumer.. we will add mtxs later on...".
I can't see "regular Joe / Jane " becoming aware of this "live-service feature" looking at the cover art. Technically, it may be "adding content" but to me it's still shady.
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Post by melbella on May 14, 2018 1:29:46 GMT
Game reviewers often don't even bother to finish a game before posting reviews. They miss tons of stuff already, so how would this be any different?
Again, if it's added later, it isn't necessary to play the game.
Do you think it's "shady" to sell item packs after a game has been out for some amount of time? Optional goodies that generally make additional PTs a breeze because what they include is so OP?
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Post by Sartoz on May 14, 2018 2:41:30 GMT
Found the Belgian Gaming Commission Report translated to English.
Go here for the report in English regarding, Overwatch, SWBF II, Fifa 18 and CS:GO
Snippet form the conclusion of the report.
"...The paid loot boxes in the examined games Overwatch, FIFA 18 and Counter - Strike: Global Offensive fit the description of a game of chance because all of the constitutive elements
of gambling are present (game, wager, chance, win/loss). ..."
Apologies if it was already posted...
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Post by Sanunes on May 14, 2018 6:46:48 GMT
Found the Belgian Gaming Commission Report translated to English.
Go here for the report in English regarding, Overwatch, SWBF II, Fifa 18 and CS:GO
Snippet form the conclusion of the report.
"...The paid loot boxes in the examined games Overwatch, FIFA 18 and Counter - Strike: Global Offensive fit the description of a game of chance because all of the constitutive elements
of gambling are present (game, wager, chance, win/loss). ..."
Apologies if it was already posted...
It was posted, but the problem is they make those claims without indicating what in the game is doing that, so we don't know their logic behind their reasoning yet. For all we know its due to third party sites using in-game items outside of the game. Think of the gambling issues around CS:GO here recently and I have heard there is a grey market for FIFA. So if they are ruling its gambling based on things outside of the publishers control it might change, for I have not heard of any changes to those games yet for that region.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 14, 2018 8:15:26 GMT
I think EA would rather forego Belgium than forego FIFA Ultimate Team loot boxes.
Then wait for the Belgian FIFA fans to start complaining.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 14, 2018 8:59:48 GMT
Not really? Each different EU country treats gambling differently, we already have the Netherlands and the UK's Gambling Authorities coming to completley different views compared to each other, it's unlikely they will all agree with each other and it's not something particularly high on the political agenda either The Belgians couldn't agree on forming a government for 18 months. The European Union have 1,000 other issues to deal with let alone gaining consensus among 28(27) states on this. I'd expect a fudge workaround, else Belgium is just going to be sidestepped. I don't see publishers making umpteen variations of the game economy. Forming a government is a different thing to formulating updated legal rulesets that include online business practices. Usually a country doesn't go headless chicken when a new government isn't formed yet, the old one just conducts business until a new one can take over. EU states are still sovereign bodies and can make their own legislation - even more so if it isn't already regulated via EU regulation.
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Post by Sartoz on May 14, 2018 14:40:10 GMT
I wonder if EA will have the stones to mention microtransactions in Anthem and the upcoming Battlefield V at E3 Play this coming June.
Plus, let's not forget FIFA18, since Belgium and the Netherland Gaming Commissions declared that the loot box mechanism is viewed as gambling and demanded changes.
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Post by Sanunes on May 14, 2018 15:40:14 GMT
I think EA would rather forego Belgium than forego FIFA Ultimate Team loot boxes. Then wait for the Belgian FIFA fans to start complaining. I am pretty sure they would just geo-lock out the Ultimate Team from Belgian fans just like how other content for other games can be locked out that way as well. I get that they came to this conclusion while investigating loot boxes, but I find most politicians are still to the age where video games are still not fully understood just like in North America were "violet video games can cause children to be aggressive" comments that have been made. So there might be something linked that they saw that wasn't directly linked to lootboxes themselves, but they thought it was. Just like a few years ago where people were convicted in the US when trading coins from FIFA into real currency. It could be something like that for the other games I believe have a way to "cash out" in some sort which was also what Valve was asked to fix with the CS:GO gambling issue, which they just ignored from the Washington Gaming Commission. Of course they could just see lootboxes in that light, but I really don't think EA would have not investigated what is considered gambling in the EU.
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Post by Sartoz on May 14, 2018 17:09:35 GMT
I think EA would rather forego Belgium than forego FIFA Ultimate Team loot boxes. Then wait for the Belgian FIFA fans to start complaining. I am pretty sure they would just geo-lock out the Ultimate Team from Belgian fans just like how other content for other games can be locked out that way as well. I get that they came to this conclusion while investigating loot boxes, but I find most politicians are still to the age where video games are still not fully understood just like in North America were "violet video games can cause children to be aggressive" comments that have been made. So there might be something linked that they saw that wasn't directly linked to lootboxes themselves, but they thought it was. Just like a few years ago where people were convicted in the US when trading coins from FIFA into real currency. It could be something like that for the other games I believe have a way to "cash out" in some sort which was also what Valve was asked to fix with the CS:GO gambling issue, which they just ignored from the Washington Gaming Commission. Of course they could just see lootboxes in that light, but I really don't think EA would have not investigated what is considered gambling in the EU.
So, does this mean that EA will, with cosmetic mtxs, continue to have randomized loot boxes/crates content or will EA allow what-u-see-is-what-u-get? 'cause I have no problems with the latter.
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Post by Heimdall on May 14, 2018 17:45:41 GMT
I am pretty sure they would just geo-lock out the Ultimate Team from Belgian fans just like how other content for other games can be locked out that way as well. I get that they came to this conclusion while investigating loot boxes, but I find most politicians are still to the age where video games are still not fully understood just like in North America were "violet video games can cause children to be aggressive" comments that have been made. So there might be something linked that they saw that wasn't directly linked to lootboxes themselves, but they thought it was. Just like a few years ago where people were convicted in the US when trading coins from FIFA into real currency. It could be something like that for the other games I believe have a way to "cash out" in some sort which was also what Valve was asked to fix with the CS:GO gambling issue, which they just ignored from the Washington Gaming Commission. Of course they could just see lootboxes in that light, but I really don't think EA would have not investigated what is considered gambling in the EU.
So, does this mean that EA will, with cosmetic mtxs, continue to have randomized loot boxes/crates content or will EA allow what-u-see-is-what-u-get? 'cause I have no problems with the latter.
If only because they are conscious of the scrutiny they’re under, I’m expecting EA will launch Anthem with direct purchase micro transactions only. I wouldn’t put it past them to try and add a random bundle to the store at a later point.
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Post by Sanunes on May 15, 2018 21:02:06 GMT
I am pretty sure they would just geo-lock out the Ultimate Team from Belgian fans just like how other content for other games can be locked out that way as well. I get that they came to this conclusion while investigating loot boxes, but I find most politicians are still to the age where video games are still not fully understood just like in North America were "violet video games can cause children to be aggressive" comments that have been made. So there might be something linked that they saw that wasn't directly linked to lootboxes themselves, but they thought it was. Just like a few years ago where people were convicted in the US when trading coins from FIFA into real currency. It could be something like that for the other games I believe have a way to "cash out" in some sort which was also what Valve was asked to fix with the CS:GO gambling issue, which they just ignored from the Washington Gaming Commission. Of course they could just see lootboxes in that light, but I really don't think EA would have not investigated what is considered gambling in the EU.
So, does this mean that EA will, with cosmetic mtxs, continue to have randomized loot boxes/crates content or will EA allow what-u-see-is-what-u-get? 'cause I have no problems with the latter.
I think it really depends on what the countries are asking for, if the countries are just wanting a public posting of the odds of getting the items I could see EA doing that. Of course never put anything past a company when it comes to profits, for China made a law about odds and lootboxes and Blizzard found a loop hole to exploit.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 17, 2018 2:11:09 GMT
I wonder if EA will have the stones to mention microtransactions in Anthem and the upcoming Battlefield V at E3 Play this coming June. Me too. Seems pretty unlikely, but the longer they delay, the bigger the backlash. It's pretty much a losing PR situation no matter what they do, given that no recurring revenue at all is a non-starter.
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Post by PillarBiter on May 17, 2018 10:56:18 GMT
I don't know if this point has been made yet, bt I rather hope anthem goes the 'Monster Hunter World'-way of "live service" rather than the destiny 2 way. MHW is a bitchin' game to start with, and it helps that it has a continuous stream of grade A free support along the first bunch of months (even if it is small). Also, MTX are only cosmetic. Noice.
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Post by Sartoz on May 19, 2018 15:29:21 GMT
I don't know if this point has been made yet, bt I rather hope anthem goes the 'Monster Hunter World'-way of "live service" rather than the destiny 2 way. MHW is a bitchin' game to start with, and it helps that it has a continuous stream of grade A free support along the first bunch of months (even if it is small). Also, MTX are only cosmetic. Noice. Bugs, glitches and whatnot will be freely supported in Anthem. That is their initial priority post launch. Then come "live-services" = mtxs. New mission quests will come after that.... imo.
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Post by PillarBiter on May 22, 2018 7:47:44 GMT
I don't know if this point has been made yet, bt I rather hope anthem goes the 'Monster Hunter World'-way of "live service" rather than the destiny 2 way. MHW is a bitchin' game to start with, and it helps that it has a continuous stream of grade A free support along the first bunch of months (even if it is small). Also, MTX are only cosmetic. Noice. Bugs, glitches and whatnot will be freely supported in Anthem. That is their initial priority post launch. Then come "live-services" = mtxs. New mission quests will come after that.... imo. That's my point... No charging for new missions. If you properly budget such a way of live support in advance, this shouldn't be a problem. But then again, you have to dare have that vision...
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Post by Sartoz on May 22, 2018 16:13:23 GMT
Bugs, glitches and whatnot will be freely supported in Anthem. That is their initial priority post launch. Then come "live-services" = mtxs. New mission quests will come after that.... imo. That's my point... No charging for new missions. If you properly budget such a way of live support in advance, this shouldn't be a problem. But then again, you have to dare have that vision...
Maybe there is no charge but I suspect this is only for the first few. Later on, new missions may be chargeable if the recurring revenue stream is less than projected. Major DLC will of course be charged.
Thing is, if cosmetic mtxs does fail to bring in revenue = profit + cost of new content, then two things can happen: (1) EA will double down and support Anthem for a while in the hope revenue picks up. (2) Say goodbye to Anthem.
I suppose all depends on the initial game sales.
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Post by PillarBiter on May 23, 2018 6:39:57 GMT
That's my point... No charging for new missions. If you properly budget such a way of live support in advance, this shouldn't be a problem. But then again, you have to dare have that vision...
Maybe there is no charge but I suspect this is only for the first few. Later on, new missions may be chargeable if the recurring revenue stream is less than projected. Major DLC will of course be charged.
Thing is, if cosmetic mtxs does fail to bring in revenue = profit + cost of new content, then two things can happen: (1) EA will double down and support Anthem for a while in the hope revenue picks up. (2) Say goodbye to Anthem.
I suppose all depends on the initial game sales.
(1) translates to EA introducing lootboxes. (2) translates to EA killing off bioware for good.
Either way, I really hope for bioware that they have a succesful game. They deserve it. They CAN do it. I SO hope they don't screw the pooch on this one
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Post by Hrungr on May 23, 2018 21:34:10 GMT
Possibly the model Anthem will follow...?KotakuBattlefield V won’t have a Premium Pass - or loot boxes. kotaku.com/heres-our-first-look-at-battlefield-v-which-goes-back-1826271285 There won’t be any sort of “premium pass” or season pass in Battlefield V. You won’t have to pay for maps or modes, nor will you be able to buy anything that affects gameplay — as we reported earlier this year, DICE is being cautious after the outrage over last year’s Star Wars Battlefront 2. Shortly after the reveal, EA confirmed to Kotaku that the game will not have any form of randomized loot boxes. Previously, a report had suggested that the next Battlefield would have cosmetic-only loot boxes, but at the time, sources told Kotaku that report was premature and that decisions had not yet been made. “I can confirm that there are no loot boxes,” an EA rep said in an e-mail.
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Post by PillarBiter on May 24, 2018 9:36:22 GMT
A man can dream.
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Post by Sartoz on May 25, 2018 14:15:27 GMT
Possibly the model Anthem will follow...?KotakuBattlefield V won’t have a Premium Pass - or loot boxes. kotaku.com/heres-our-first-look-at-battlefield-v-which-goes-back-1826271285 There won’t be any sort of “premium pass” or season pass in Battlefield V. You won’t have to pay for maps or modes, nor will you be able to buy anything that affects gameplay — as we reported earlier this year, DICE is being cautious after the outrage over last year’s Star Wars Battlefront 2. Shortly after the reveal, EA confirmed to Kotaku that the game will not have any form of randomized loot boxes. Previously, a report had suggested that the next Battlefield would have cosmetic-only loot boxes, but at the time, sources told Kotaku that report was premature and that decisions had not yet been made. “I can confirm that there are no loot boxes,” an EA rep said in an e-mail.
EA conformed Battlefield V will have two types of currency. premium currency = real money and in-game currency which one get by playing the game.... and no LBs.That sounds good. However, I bet the grinding to get any significant in-game currency to buy cosmetics will be a slog.
Anthem will probably do the same once the "live" enters into play. Again, I believe the game is tilted towards nudging the player to buy cosmetics. If the in-game currency is a real slog, weak minded players will pay real money to get the preeny stuff so they can look in the mirror and admire themselves.
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Post by Sanunes on May 25, 2018 14:22:21 GMT
Possibly the model Anthem will follow...?KotakuBattlefield V won’t have a Premium Pass - or loot boxes. kotaku.com/heres-our-first-look-at-battlefield-v-which-goes-back-1826271285 There won’t be any sort of “premium pass” or season pass in Battlefield V. You won’t have to pay for maps or modes, nor will you be able to buy anything that affects gameplay — as we reported earlier this year, DICE is being cautious after the outrage over last year’s Star Wars Battlefront 2. Shortly after the reveal, EA confirmed to Kotaku that the game will not have any form of randomized loot boxes. Previously, a report had suggested that the next Battlefield would have cosmetic-only loot boxes, but at the time, sources told Kotaku that report was premature and that decisions had not yet been made. “I can confirm that there are no loot boxes,” an EA rep said in an e-mail.
EA conformed Battlefield V will have two types of currency. premium currency = real money and in-game currency which one get by playing the game.... and no LBs.That sounds good. However, I bet the grinding to get any significant in-game currency to buy cosmetics will be a slog.
Anthem will probably do the same once the "live" enters into play. Again, I believe the game is tilted towards nudging the player to buy cosmetics. If the in-game currency is a real slog, weak minded players will pay real money to get the preeny stuff so they can look in the mirror and admire themselves.
Of course they will, the prices in games like Path of Exile and Warframe are really high as well, so I would expect the prices to match what you see in those games because people keep saying how great the implementation is in those games. Edit: Was thinking of the wrong and altered to the one I was thinking of.
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Post by Hrungr on May 25, 2018 14:35:31 GMT
Possibly the model Anthem will follow...?KotakuBattlefield V won’t have a Premium Pass - or loot boxes. kotaku.com/heres-our-first-look-at-battlefield-v-which-goes-back-1826271285 There won’t be any sort of “premium pass” or season pass in Battlefield V. You won’t have to pay for maps or modes, nor will you be able to buy anything that affects gameplay — as we reported earlier this year, DICE is being cautious after the outrage over last year’s Star Wars Battlefront 2. Shortly after the reveal, EA confirmed to Kotaku that the game will not have any form of randomized loot boxes. Previously, a report had suggested that the next Battlefield would have cosmetic-only loot boxes, but at the time, sources told Kotaku that report was premature and that decisions had not yet been made. “I can confirm that there are no loot boxes,” an EA rep said in an e-mail.
EA conformed Battlefield V will have two types of currency. premium currency = real money and in-game currency which one get by playing the game.... and no LBs.That sounds good. However, I bet the grinding to get any significant in-game currency to buy cosmetics will be a slog.
Anthem will probably do the same once the "live" enters into play. Again, I believe the game is tilted towards nudging the player to buy cosmetics. If the in-game currency is a real slog, weak minded players will pay real money to get the preeny stuff so they can look in the mirror and admire themselves.
Yup. Overall though, this was certainly better than I was expecting for Battlefield V - but still room for improvement.
If upfront, non-random cosmetics MTs are all we get in Anthem, I'm certainly cool with that.
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