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Post by fiannawolf on Dec 6, 2017 20:24:10 GMT
Oh yea, Casey will save them Still, I wont be getting any more bioware stuff until its the complete edition for 20 bucks. If that means waiting 2-4 years to play it, fine with me. EA is sucking them drier then a mummy past 2000 year due date.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 6, 2017 20:25:37 GMT
Oh yea, Casey will save them Still, I wont be getting any more bioware stuff until its the complete edition for 20 bucks. If that means waiting 2-4 years to play it, fine with me. EA is sucking them drier then a mummy past 2000 year due date. How so?
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Post by fiannawolf on Dec 6, 2017 20:30:11 GMT
Oh yea, Casey will save them Still, I wont be getting any more bioware stuff until its the complete edition for 20 bucks. If that means waiting 2-4 years to play it, fine with me. EA is sucking them drier then a mummy past 2000 year due date. How so? See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visceral_GamesIll never see another decent deadspace game beyond 1/2.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 6, 2017 20:36:04 GMT
I see how EA has mismanaged other studios, but I don’t see how they’ve been “draining dry” Bioware. I have no particular love for EA mind you, but I don’t think Bioware is in bad shape at the moment. Montreal and Andromeda were a bit of a peculiar case given the circumstances of development.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 20:51:59 GMT
Uh....
Yeah this game will most likely have microtransactions AND its model will be built around frustrating the fuck out of the players
Wanna know how I get to this suspicion?
Simple, it's the current trend....and unless companies like EA get scared shitless by legislative bodies stepping in they are NOT going to stop
Case in point?
Deus Ex mankind divided. Eidos BROKE the ng+ feature willingly so that any play through past the second would wipe all your progress beyond the first run....the only way to regain the lost progress? Microtransactions to buy praxis and upgrades.
Shadow of War. Act 4 is a soulless, joyless slog that is designed to aggravate and be very grindy. The only respite? The xp boost so that you can level up and actually have uruks level up with you to be able to withstand the onslaught (and even then the system is designed to still keep you at a disadvantage). And guess what? XP boost is the only "loot crate" that van ONLY be purchased with real world money.
These are just the two most recent games that are making it obvious mind you there are more...
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 6, 2017 21:02:53 GMT
Things are not looking good. Esp loosing more vet devs. There's a ton of conjecture in this video that I find forced - mostly to make a video that 'Anthem's in trouble'. First - Anthem in trouble because Laidlaw left DA4 team? I know that the point was about veteran developers, but even Bioware employees contest this idea, pointing out just how many old-school developers there still are with them. Also, Laidlaw said that he left in 'the best time for him to leave' and not 'in mid-production'. Second - DAI under-performing? Wut? And most importantly - where does this person gets information that Anthem underwent internal evaluation and it wasn't good? There's no sources for that information quoted, and you'd think that with info like that, you'd be sure to make it known where he gets it from. I can find no news through search that would mention something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 21:09:48 GMT
How come Jade Empire is not on Bio’s epitaph?
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 6, 2017 21:11:46 GMT
I still think it doesn't bode well for Anthem. But then again, Bioware isn't the same company it was in the DA:O or ME1 days. i don’t think it bodes one way or another. Anthem lost somebody who had previously left the industry only to come back. I think it’s quite likely his reasons were personal, much like Gaider’s publicized reasons for leaving. I’ve never given much stock to this “not the same company” sentiment. Bioware wasn’t the same company when they produced DAI either, yet they still managed to release a popular and critically acclaimed game. Some old blood may leave, but they aren’t altogether irreplaceable. Flynn is gone, but we have Casey now. Gaider departed, but Weekes is still here and Karpyshyn is on Anthem. Laidlaw’s replacement has been on the franchise for some time, I hear. Anthem isn’t hemorrhaging devs and even this loot box issue is a concern about what might happen rather than something we actually see evidence will be a problem. So I see no reason to think Anthem is in trouble at this time. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Agreed, that Anthem is not in trouble, yet.
No doubt their original game core design with LBs + MTs were looked at once the BF2 disaster hit the news. BIO is probably making sure LBs don't touch sore spots with fans. What is unknown is how much freedom EA gave the studio to implement the LBs + MTs mechanics.
Personally, I see EA hoping fans have short memories and they will find a way to milk the saps.
Also, personally, I hope those two guys from Hawaii pass that bill that prohibits the sale of games with loot boxes to minors. 🌸
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 6, 2017 21:20:32 GMT
Uh.... Yeah this game will most likely have microtransactions AND its model will be built around frustrating the fuck out of the players Wanna know how I get to this suspicion? Simple, it's the current trend....and unless companies like EA get scared shitless by legislative bodies stepping in they are NOT going to stop Case in point? Deus Ex mankind divided. Eidos BROKE the ng+ feature willingly so that any play through past the second would wipe all your progress beyond the first run....the only way to regain the lost progress? Microtransactions to buy praxis and upgrades. Shadow of War. Act 4 is a soulless, joyless slog that is designed to aggravate and be very grindy. The only respite? The xp boost so that you can level up and actually have uruks level up with you to be able to withstand the onslaught (and even then the system is designed to still keep you at a disadvantage). And guess what? XP boost is the only "loot crate" that van ONLY be purchased with real world money. These are just the two most recent games that are making it obvious mind you there are more... -(_ANTHEM_)-
If game progression is unachievable, without heavy grinding, that game is not for me.
If the game is no longer fun... that game is not for me.
I may buy Anthem for the Single Player Campaign... if it's longer than 20-30 hours of the main story arc.
And, I will wait for a sale, before buying, just to give my finger to EA. 🌸
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 21:40:58 GMT
Uh.... Yeah this game will most likely have microtransactions AND its model will be built around frustrating the fuck out of the players Wanna know how I get to this suspicion? Simple, it's the current trend....and unless companies like EA get scared shitless by legislative bodies stepping in they are NOT going to stop Case in point? Deus Ex mankind divided. Eidos BROKE the ng+ feature willingly so that any play through past the second would wipe all your progress beyond the first run....the only way to regain the lost progress? Microtransactions to buy praxis and upgrades. Shadow of War. Act 4 is a soulless, joyless slog that is designed to aggravate and be very grindy. The only respite? The xp boost so that you can level up and actually have uruks level up with you to be able to withstand the onslaught (and even then the system is designed to still keep you at a disadvantage). And guess what? XP boost is the only "loot crate" that van ONLY be purchased with real world money. These are just the two most recent games that are making it obvious mind you there are more... -(_ANTHEM_)-
If game progression is unachievable, without heavy grinding, that game is not for me.
If the game is no longer fun... that game is not for me.
I may buy Anthem for the Single Player Campaign... if it's longer than 20-30 hours of the main story arc.
And, I will wait for a sale, before buying, just to give my finger to EA. 🌸
my point was that the prequels to those games were not like that at all and were changed and built around microtransactions and ways to aggrivate the players
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 6, 2017 23:23:47 GMT
I get tired of the "people left therefore the game is doomed" unless you want to say that about any other game out there that is currently or has been in development for years people and this garbage is not limited to BioWare CDPR has the same problem since they have lost several developers during development of Cyberpunk. My old manager left the company I worked at because they had a better offer elsewhere and the area I work in hasn't suffered at all.
As to the other comment I have seen about "BioWare not being the same" BioWare wasn't even the same company prior to EA taking over since one of the people that founded the company left early on, or that they didn't have the Star Wars license so they made Mass Effect or they also didn't have the DnD license so they made Dragon Age: Origins and again with each of those games people claimed BioWare abandoned their roots and that was long before EA was even in the picture. I can go back prior to EA did their hostile takeover and show that anything people want to say about EA doing to BioWare also happened prior to EA people move on.
If anything BioWare holds onto employees longer then most studios out there, if you are going to make it sound like EA is chasing off all the good employees I could also probably make the exact same case about entitled gamers that want gaming experiences developed specifically towards them and don't care about what anyone else wants. If BioWare was to make games like they did in the past they would be in the same position as Obsidian begging for crowdfunding money and frankly having games with a lot of bugs that can turn off players.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 6, 2017 23:24:42 GMT
How come Jade Empire is not on Bio’s epitaph? Because it was a financial failure. Critics liked it, but players didn't buy it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 7, 2017 0:18:47 GMT
Things are not looking good. Esp loosing more vet devs. I saw that thumbnail on my YT feed last night and immediately suspected clickbait. But, I gave it a look anyway, only to give up less than half way through, at the 100000000th repetition of beating the MEA facial animation horselich.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 7, 2017 1:05:27 GMT
I get tired of the "people left therefore the game is doomed" Yep, if a company employs 800 people, some will leave. People's careers tend to govern their employment decisions, not just the precious game they happen to be working on.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 7, 2017 1:25:51 GMT
I agree that people leaving a company is normal.
My one quibble with where the thread has gone - yes, only one dev quit that we know about, that being the Lead Animator.
Don't forget that Corey died also. He was, I believe, a pretty crucial team member as well.
That's not enough to make me say the barn's burning. However, to say that BioWare isn't at a crossroads with this game is foolhardy.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 7, 2017 9:08:01 GMT
to say that BioWare isn't at a crossroads with this game is foolhardy. I think it's fair to say that BioWare will be under more scrutiny with this release because both EA and BioWare have some trust to regain. Similar perhaps to the run up to Dragon Age Inquisition's release, when both ME3 and DAII were raw memories.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 7, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
Things are not looking good. Esp loosing more vet devs. I saw that thumbnail on my YT feed last night and immediately suspected clickbait. But, I gave it a look anyway, only to give up less than half way through, at the 100000000th repetition of beating the MEA facial animation horselich. So it is clickbait? Not a shock as most of these "critics" go for tabloid speculation vs educated guesswork. Still, Anthem may be in trouble but I have a feeling it's been far into development for that to not affect it too much. It's a year out with moat assets in place, all it takes is a re tweaking
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 9:30:05 GMT
to say that BioWare isn't at a crossroads with this game is foolhardy. I think it's fair to say that BioWare will be under more scrutiny with this release because both EA and BioWare have some trust to regain. Similar perhaps to the run up to Dragon Age Inquisition's release, when both ME3 and DAII were raw memories. Will Dragon Age come next or is it rather Anthem?
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 7, 2017 9:34:23 GMT
Got a better argument than an inaccurate meme?
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 10:03:52 GMT
I saw that thumbnail on my YT feed last night and immediately suspected clickbait. But, I gave it a look anyway, only to give up less than half way through, at the 100000000th repetition of beating the MEA facial animation horselich. So it is clickbait? Not a shock as most of these "critics" go for tabloid speculation vs educated guesswork. Still, Anthem may be in trouble but I have a feeling it's been far into development for that to not affect it too much. It's a year out with moat assets in place, all it takes is a re tweaking I'd worry if the projects head honcho was chopped, like e.g. for MEA. Hasn't been the case for Anthem, has it?
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 7, 2017 10:22:21 GMT
Will Dragon Age come next or is it rather Anthem? I don't see any sign of more Dragon Age until late 2019 at the earliest. And there's some ambiguity over whether it will be like DAI in structure or something else...
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 10:28:32 GMT
Will Dragon Age come next or is it rather Anthem? I don't see any sign of more Dragon Age until late 2019 at the earliest. And there's some ambiguity over whether it will be like DAI in structure or something else... "Something else" - is that in a booming voice or in some sort of menacing whisper?
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2017 10:31:04 GMT
I don't see any sign of more Dragon Age until late 2019 at the earliest. And there's some ambiguity over whether it will be like DAI in structure or something else... I'm getting a little tired of each entry in the Dragon Age series being a completely different type of game. I really wish Dragon Age would have some sort of stability in design ...
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
I think there is disagreement what gambling is. "Nay" sayers claim that MTs always return a value for your money. In that sense of gambling there needs to be a case where you lose the bet and the cash is gone. "Ye" sayers - well what do they actually claim? It didn't really stick with me and before ESRB sticks adults only stickers on I bet it needs to stick in a legally sound way.
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