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Post by Amirit on Mar 19, 2018 9:40:44 GMT
Everyone is so forgiving about "cosmetic LBs" but if this will be the only type LB allowed for the industry, "cosmetic" will become a necessity pretty fast. All it needs to become one is to make default appearance hideous. Remember those "beige pajamas" in DAI? Now imagine it as the only default option for multiplayer game. Technically, you can play. On practice - you will be sick of your look in a matter of minutes. And if it's a single player game - just make outfits especially unmoddable and sell cool armor for additional money. Profit!
No, I do not know the solution here. Probably Jim Sterling is right and the only way is to keep LBs but make base games free. At list it will be in line with monetisation.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 19, 2018 12:17:14 GMT
Everyone is so forgiving about "cosmetic LBs" but if this will be the only type LB allowed for the industry, "cosmetic" will become a necessity pretty fast. All it needs to become one is to make default appearance hideous. Remember those "beige pajamas" in DAI? Now imagine it as the only default option for multiplayer game. Technically, you can play. On practice - you will be sick of your look in a matter of minutes. And if it's a single player game - just make outfits especially unmoddable and sell cool armor for additional money. Profit! No, I do not know the solution here. Probably Jim Sterling is right and the only way is to keep LBs but make base games free. At list it will be in line with monetisation. If they go free to play don't limit what you are thinking to multiplayer, if that is the direction they go into it will be fully integrated into single player as well. My experience with free to play games is that they have some key system to the game being annoying as possible and then you pay for upgrades to make it less annoying. With Andromeda I think it would be "storage space" so you have 25 slots for items you pickup off the ground, but for the low, low price of $20 you can add another 25 slots and you can do that multiple times.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 30, 2018 14:30:43 GMT
It's been pointed out to me (wisely I might add) that this thread (it's in the title after all) mostly discusses MTXs in other games, not Anthem. So I'd like to split the thread. Anthem related MTXs we can carry on here. General discussion of Warframe, Far Cry, Cyberpunk, Battefront II etc etc I suggest we take here: bsn.boards.net/thread/14607(and I've moved a chunk of recent posts accordingly.)
Pity.
One can't have a meaningful discussion without some comparison with other games / studios. It's inevitable, really. Besides, didn't the title say "... and other games"?
At this point Anthem's LBs / mtxs are all theoretical, whereas, Warframe is not. So a discussion on what Anthem ought to look/implement based on other "successful" (ie: acceptable) LB/MTX games makes sense to me.
Well, we'll see how this will turn out.
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Post by AI BaGGs on Apr 3, 2018 18:38:56 GMT
A little bird told me that Anthem will go easy on micro-transactions.
Cosmetics only, direct purchases, no lootboxes. (need to avoid those new gambling laws and ESRB ratings)
I trust my source and you'll see it yourselves in 65 days at EA Play.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 3, 2018 20:26:28 GMT
Can't say I trust the ESRB ratings since they are industry designed.
Direct in-game cosmetic purchases huu? Good news for the players that want to mod their Javelins. Guess we'll have our very own apartment to decorate.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 3, 2018 21:12:22 GMT
A little bird told me that Anthem will go easy on micro-transactions. Cosmetics only, direct purchases, no lootboxes. (need to avoid those new gambling laws and ESRB ratings) I trust my source and you'll see it yourselves in 65 days at EA Play. That makes sense to me, as to do otherwise would be asking for trouble given what is at stake.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 4, 2018 6:06:43 GMT
A little bird told me that Anthem will go easy on micro-transactions. Cosmetics only, direct purchases, no lootboxes. (need to avoid those new gambling laws and ESRB ratings) I trust my source and you'll see it yourselves in 65 days at EA Play. 65 DAYS...! And after that the wait will be worse.
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Post by AI BaGGs on Apr 4, 2018 8:19:52 GMT
A little bird told me that Anthem will go easy on micro-transactions. Cosmetics only, direct purchases, no lootboxes. (need to avoid those new gambling laws and ESRB ratings) I trust my source and you'll see it yourselves in 65 days at EA Play. 65 DAYS...! And after that the wait will be worse. The theorycrafting will intensify for sure. We'll at the very least get another trailer. However, the EA Play announcement makes us think that it'll be an event similar to last years BF2 presentation, with youtubers and streamers playing with/against eachother live. We don't know the specifics, we just know that it'll be playable during the event. (our understanding is that during E3 they'll release a new trailer explaining more about the world/game mechanics, who knows for sure)
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 4, 2018 10:28:18 GMT
For me, this remains the gold standard when it comes to introducing a game c.6 months out:
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 4, 2018 12:02:58 GMT
For me, this remains the gold standard when it comes to introducing a game c.6 months out: I just hope they don't do what they did with Andromeda again, they acknowledged the game years out because there was a leak. The thing that bugs me is that they should have just left it at that until the game was closer to release because the developer commentaries about how great the game will be to me was just creating more hype around a game that already had a lot. I do think they did well with those videos, but I am not even sure BioWare will do as much as they did with Dragon Age: Inquisition because of how people reacted to the changes in Crestwood when the sequences were changed due to probably optimizing it for the older consoles or the Cassandra blowing down the door as a bit of a placeholder. I am pretty sure it is party due to that I follow BioWare closer then other developers, but it does seem they have people have higher expectations of them then other developers for reasons I don't understand with what they have released over the years.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 4, 2018 12:05:46 GMT
people reacted to the changes in Crestwood when the sequences were changed due to probably optimizing it for the older consoles or the Cassandra blowing down the door as a bit of a placeholder. Sure, though of course the Crestwood preview was unreleased.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 4, 2018 12:24:14 GMT
For me, this remains the gold standard when it comes to introducing a game c.6 months out: I just hope they don't do what they did with Andromeda again, they acknowledged the game years out because there was a leak. The thing that bugs me is that they should have just left it at that until the game was closer to release because the developer commentaries about how great the game will be to me was just creating more hype around a game that already had a lot. I do think they did well with those videos, but I am not even sure BioWare will do as much as they did with Dragon Age: Inquisition because of how people reacted to the changes in Crestwood when the sequences were changed due to probably optimizing it for the older consoles or the Cassandra blowing down the door as a bit of a placeholder. I am pretty sure it is party due to that I follow BioWare closer then other developers, but it does seem they have people have higher expectations of them then other developers for reasons I don't understand with what they have released over the years. Never watched that stuff, so I experienced Crestwood as it was. Mostly like any other region in DAI, it was nothing special - yet better than the stupid level platform map with the temple in the middle that didn't give out something good for all the stupid shards.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 4, 2018 12:32:19 GMT
people reacted to the changes in Crestwood when the sequences were changed due to probably optimizing it for the older consoles or the Cassandra blowing down the door as a bit of a placeholder. Sure, though of course the Crestwood preview was unreleased. Its been so long since I last saw it, I thought it was an official release.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 4, 2018 14:47:00 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal story
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 4, 2018 14:53:55 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal storyMost likely they milked all they can from the current crowd so decided to take a stab at those who may not have bought it because of MTX. I think it's all PR bs. I trust WB as much as I do EA in that regard. I laughed hard at the explanation given as to why it's being removed. People have been saying that since day one and only now they get it?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 4, 2018 15:00:28 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal storyMost likely they milked all they can from the current crowd so decided to take a stab at those who may not have bought it because of MTX. I think it's all PR bs. I trust WB as much as I do EA in that regard. I laughed hard at the explanation given as to why it's being removed. People have been saying that since day one and only now they get it?
Unfortunately, I agree with your sentiment, especially regarding EA management and their aggressive stance for profits, at the expense of their player base.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 4, 2018 15:07:46 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal storyI think BioWare needs to understand their audience. Why are cosmetic loot boxes/microtransactions for something like Overwatch or loot boxes for advantages in EA's UFC considered "acceptable", or at least not controversial, by it's main player base while Destiny 2 and Battlefront II are hammered? While I heard about the ending controversy in "Shadow of War", it didn't make national news, seemingly effect reviewer scores, nor make it before politicians, despite the players ability to buy enough Orcs to win the game as opposed to you grinding for hours. BioWare needs to focus on making the gameplay fun, the progression transparent and loot drops rewarding. If they and EA approach it like a loot box slot machine, they will lose the PR game and the momentum for any enthusiasm for this game will grind to a halt.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 4, 2018 15:16:41 GMT
Its been so long since I last saw it, I thought it was an official release. A 'behind-the-scenes' demo shared in more innocent times. Don't think BioWare will do that again...
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 4, 2018 15:33:31 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal storyI think BioWare needs to understand their audience. Why are cosmetic loot boxes/microtransactions for something like Overwatch or loot boxes for advantages in EA's UFC considered "acceptable", or at least not controversial, by it's main player base while Destiny 2 and Battlefront II are hammered? While I heard about the ending controversy in "Shadow of War", it didn't make national news, seemingly effect reviewer scores, nor make it before politicians, despite the players ability to buy enough Orcs to win the game as opposed to you grinding for hours. BioWare needs to focus on making the gameplay fun, the progression transparent and loot drops rewarding. If they and EA approach it like a loot box slot machine, they will lose the PR game and the momentum for any enthusiasm for this game will grind to a halt. I know people like to complain all of the ills about game issues to be the fault of EA. I just don't think that is true. I do believe that EA wants MTX/LB in their games, but at the same time I think they leave it up to the developers to figure out how to do it. There just seems to be so much variance between studios on how they implement them, but at least with what I have seen with BioWare they stick with the same systems while other studios don't make the same changes. BioWare was alone with how they implemented their lootboxes from Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, and Mass Effect: Andromeda. All those games had a very similar system with what seems to be very few complaints. That is why I am not that worried until I see what BioWare releases with their systems for they have released three games with lootboxes that I didn't feel like were implemented in a way to take advantage of me.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 4, 2018 15:35:09 GMT
Its been so long since I last saw it, I thought it was an official release. A 'behind-the-scenes' demo shared in more innocent times. Don't think BioWare will do that again... Yeah, I think that is why we got all those developer diaries instead of what they were working on during Andromeda's development. I rather they go with the Bethesda model of Fallout 4 where they just announced it a year or less before and everything else would be "we don't respond to rumors" I think the internet has earned that lack of information because of how its reacted to things that have changed.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 4, 2018 15:38:56 GMT
I think BioWare needs to understand their audience. Why are cosmetic loot boxes/microtransactions for something like Overwatch or loot boxes for advantages in EA's UFC considered "acceptable", or at least not controversial, by it's main player base while Destiny 2 and Battlefront II are hammered? While I heard about the ending controversy in "Shadow of War", it didn't make national news, seemingly effect reviewer scores, nor make it before politicians, despite the players ability to buy enough Orcs to win the game as opposed to you grinding for hours. BioWare needs to focus on making the gameplay fun, the progression transparent and loot drops rewarding. If they and EA approach it like a loot box slot machine, they will lose the PR game and the momentum for any enthusiasm for this game will grind to a halt. I know people like to complain all of the ills about game issues to be the fault of EA. I just don't think that is true. I do believe that EA wants MTX/LB in their games, but at the same time I think they leave it up to the developers to figure out how to do it. This is pretty much what Aaron Flynn said in his Kotaku interview, so I'm inclined to lean that direction as well.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2018 16:23:55 GMT
On the subject of Bio going easy on the mtxes for Anthem, I wonder if the studio had an epiphany and made the decision to be "nice" with their future player base.
Apparently, Monolith and Warner Bros. Software have announced that they are removing Micro Transactions from Middle Earth: Shadow of War.
Perhaps the winds are-a-changing.
Link to the mtx : Removal storyI think BioWare needs to understand their audience. Why are cosmetic loot boxes/microtransactions for something like Overwatch or loot boxes for advantages in EA's UFC considered "acceptable", or at least not controversial, by it's main player base while Destiny 2 and Battlefront II are hammered? While I heard about the ending controversy in "Shadow of War", it didn't make national news, seemingly effect reviewer scores, nor make it before politicians, despite the players ability to buy enough Orcs to win the game as opposed to you grinding for hours. BioWare needs to focus on making the gameplay fun, the progression transparent and loot drops rewarding. If they and EA approach it like a loot box slot machine, they will lose the PR game and the momentum for any enthusiasm for this game will grind to a halt. To be honest, I'm beginning to feel that Overwatches microtransactions feel a bit exploitative.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 4, 2018 16:55:47 GMT
I think BioWare needs to understand their audience. Why are cosmetic loot boxes/microtransactions for something like Overwatch or loot boxes for advantages in EA's UFC considered "acceptable", or at least not controversial, by it's main player base while Destiny 2 and Battlefront II are hammered? While I heard about the ending controversy in "Shadow of War", it didn't make national news, seemingly effect reviewer scores, nor make it before politicians, despite the players ability to buy enough Orcs to win the game as opposed to you grinding for hours. BioWare needs to focus on making the gameplay fun, the progression transparent and loot drops rewarding. If they and EA approach it like a loot box slot machine, they will lose the PR game and the momentum for any enthusiasm for this game will grind to a halt. To be honest, I'm beginning to feel that Overwatches microtransactions feel a bit exploitative. I don't play Overwatch so I can't say from experience but only what I've heard in passing. Out of curiosity, and my own education, what would you consider exploitative about their microtransactions at this point?
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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2018 17:08:43 GMT
To be honest, I'm beginning to feel that Overwatches microtransactions feel a bit exploitative. I don't play Overwatch so I can't say from experience but only what I've heard in passing. Out of curiosity, and my own education, what would you consider exploitative about their microtransactions at this point? So besides lootboxes, you have in game currency that you can use to buy the skins if you don't get them in lootboxes. The problem is that the ONLY way to receive in game currency is through lootboxes whether it's through the currency or you receive a skin that you already got. It gets even worse when Blizzard changed it so you are less likely to get duplicates because players were complaining of constantly getting duplicates in their lootboxes. The issue I got with Overwatches implementation is that there is not other way to receive in game currency other than buying lootboxes. At least with Battlefront 2 you could earn credits by just playing the game even though you receive very little. With Overwatch you don't get any in game currency at all after playing a game, just a lootbox when you level up. So that means if you buy 20 loot boxes and you don't get that skin you wanted especially in limited time events, and you didn't get enough duplicates or receive in game currency from the Loot boxes. That means you need spend MORE MONEY to but lootboxes and hope that you either get the skin the next round OR get enough currency from them to buy the skin you want. It happened to me a couple of times, where I had to spend some extra money just to get the items I wanted.
Blizzard needs to create more ways for players to receive in game currency other than just relying on the RNG. I don't think they're receiving that much criticism for that.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 4, 2018 17:24:51 GMT
I don't play Overwatch so I can't say from experience but only what I've heard in passing. Out of curiosity, and my own education, what would you consider exploitative about their microtransactions at this point? So besides lootboxes, you have in game currency that you can use to buy the skins if you don't get them in lootboxes. The problem is that the ONLY way to receive in game currency is through lootboxes whether it's through the currency or you receive a skin that you already got. It gets even worse when Blizzard changed it so you are less likely to get duplicates because players were complaining of constantly getting duplicates in their lootboxes. The issue I got with Overwatches implementation is that there is not other way to receive in game currency other than buying lootboxes, at least with Battlefront 2 you could earn credits by just playing the game even though you receive very little. With Overwatch you don't get any in game currency at all after playing a game, just a lootbox when you level up. So that means if you buy 20 loot boxes and you don't get that skin you wanted especially in limited time events, and you didn't get enough duplicates or receive in game currency from the Loot boxes. That means you need spend MORE MONEY to but lootboxes and hope that you either get the skin the next round OR get enough currency from them to buy the skin you want. It happened to me a couple of times, where I had to spend some extra money just to get the items I wanted.
Blizzard needs to create more ways for players to receive in game currency other than just relying on the RNG. I don't think they're receiving that much criticism for that.
Yeah, that certainly sounds exploitative. I wonder if the game's reception, and how there seems to be a passionate fan-base, limits some of the game's criticism. In other words, because the fans like the game, it's characters and Blizzard itself, are they more lenient in terms of their views of the companies implementation of microtransactions? In the Overwatch community. do you find people kind of gloss over it or is it becoming an issue for some players?
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