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Post by Sartoz on Mar 17, 2018 0:13:13 GMT
I have to say I'm curious what EA (and other publishers) is doing with their products after SW BF II uproar (and the surprising revelation about FIFA games) so I'm keeping an eye out on such updates. I didn't bother before but now, I think I have to.
Hmm..
My understanding is that EA's list of titles for 2018 is rather slim (not counting their sports assets). Perhaps EA is re-evaluating their digital monetization policy which can effect game development. Ea's Star Wars portfolio has run into trouble ( from the start) and came short of the publisher's expectations, Lucas films being one of them.
Also, notice how EA and Bio is moving away from mentioning "game as a service" and replacing that corporate babble by "Live Service". Same thing really, but game as a service now has negative connotations after the STBFII fiasco.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 17, 2018 0:34:08 GMT
I have to say I'm curious what EA (and other publishers) is doing with their products after SW BF II uproar (and the surprising revelation about FIFA games) so I'm keeping an eye out on such updates. I didn't bother before but now, I think I have to. Nothing is going to change and frankly YongYea is a video producer I don't bother with anymore so if you are going to want to change people's minds you might want to find a different source for I am pretty sure I am not the only one that feels that way.
Youg Yea, I believe, is trying to inject/reveal some truths with industry practices. He does, do his homework. It's his interpretation that may be off.
In any case, I have my own assessment about EA. This publisher won't change their goal of monetizing the digital world as they must answer to their investors. They have embarked on this road since 2010 when EA stated that all future games must be online+multiplayer+DLC. Still, I'm curious how they will make a course correction regarding the LB MTX issues.
Anthem, imo, is a shooter game first, which automatically makes it boring after a while (to me). Play this game for ten years? Laughable. However, hardcore element will no doubt keep plugging away.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 17, 2018 4:18:38 GMT
Nothing is going to change and frankly YongYea is a video producer I don't bother with anymore so if you are going to want to change people's minds you might want to find a different source for I am pretty sure I am not the only one that feels that way.
Youg Yea, I believe, is trying to inject/reveal some truths with industry practices. He does, do his homework. It's his interpretation that may be off.
In any case, I have my own assessment about EA. This publisher won't change their goal of monetizing the digital world as they must answer to their investors. They have embarked on this road since 2010 when EA stated that all future games must be online+multiplayer+DLC. Still, I'm curious how they will make a course correction regarding the LB MTX issues.
Anthem, imo, is a shooter game first, which automatically makes it boring after a while (to me). Play this game for ten years? Laughable. However, hardcore element will no doubt keep plugging away.
The problem is when you try and do a reveal of a truth and then get your interpretation wrong it becomes more about a personal truth then the real truth. Which is the problem I have is that those videos feel like they are clickbait to demonstrate a personal truth about how EA is always trying to hurt its customers. Edit: removed extra
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Post by mmoblitz on Mar 17, 2018 11:27:49 GMT
This should feel like a small victory for those who hated the monetization of SWBF2 Progression Overhaul
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 17, 2018 11:44:59 GMT
This should feel like a small victory for those who hated the monetization of SWBF2 Progression OverhaulHard to say, for I could see some might take it as a loss because they are outright against lootboxes and they are being put back into the game a few months later. I know for me one question that will never be answered is how much influence Disney had over the way lootboxes were released. I know EA would have had them included one way or another, but did EA have a method already and Disney told them they were not allowed to go in that direction so we got the system we did. If that is the case the thing is this might have been EA's first approach for to me at least it seems like what the industry does already.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Mar 17, 2018 14:33:14 GMT
This should feel like a small victory for those who hated the monetization of SWBF2 Progression OverhaulThis is the type of system that I have absolutely no problem with, shame it took such an outcry to get though (still no buying SWBFII though as it's not my type of game) & I hope they continue on this route for the future. Just my thoughts.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 17, 2018 16:27:18 GMT
Youg Yea, I believe, is trying to inject/reveal some truths with industry practices. He does, do his homework. It's his interpretation that may be off.
In any case, I have my own assessment about EA. This publisher won't change their goal of monetizing the digital world as they must answer to their investors. They have embarked on this road since 2010 when EA stated that all future games must be online+multiplayer+DLC. Still, I'm curious how they will make a course correction regarding the LB MTX issues.
Anthem, imo, is a shooter game first, which automatically makes it boring after a while (to me). Play this game for ten years? Laughable. However, hardcore element will no doubt keep plugging away.
The problem is when you try and do a reveal of a truth and then get your interpretation wrong it becomes more about a personal truth then the real truth. Which is the problem I have is that those videos feel like they are clickbait to demonstrate a personal truth about how EA is always trying to hurt its customers. Edit: removed extra Or perhaps the videos go against your preconceived notions and therefore you discredit them. I know you are a defender of EA and that is fine. I am more of an antagonist of EA which is also fine. However calling videos that present facts "clickbait" just because it conflicts with your own stance is like calling something "fake news" just cause it does not align with your political stance. YongYea may have some vendetta against EA and maybe most of his videos are designed to be "clickbait" shock value videos to create maximum buz, likes, and subscribes. But to sit there and dismiss all videos about EA as clickbait in a lot of ways makes you no different than YongYea, just different ends of the same spectrum. A while back I linked you to a 28 min video about EA's Andrew Wilson and his history and influence with loot boxes in the industry. It wasnt some EA attack video. If you actually watched it, you would have seen how the producer uses history, quotes, and facts to back up his statements. Yes, the video did not paint EA in a good image, but does that mean it was clickbait? Even SofaJockey who has seen the extreme ways of me in the past watched the video and admitted that it was informative and eye opening. You however quickly dismissed it as some gag reflex about anything that isnt pro EA. So if you dare, watch the video and learn something. You say you want something factual, then there it is. A video that is based on facts and history and not raw emotion like YongYea. Please watch it and enlighten me on the parts of the video that was based on emotion and not facts. I invite you to do so because I know you cant as the video only uses facts and not the typical "EA sucks so therefore... .EA sucks...." attitude.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 17, 2018 16:39:27 GMT
I'll stick to Jim Sterling for my video game commentary. I also respect Sterling for his passion and emotions (even when I disagree with him) as far as Yong Yea goes I don't have the time to watch. Also I've learned the hard the way that people who claim they report only of "the cold hard facts" that they are often most times cherry picked and/or taken out of context for time and/or to support the author's point of view and that is why I don't trust any video game commentator other than Sterling because he is at least honest up front that his shows are his OPINIONS.
Also I have gotten sick of watching and listening to a bunch of middle-age angry screaming nerds and intellectual wanna-bees who think that they are smarter than me telling me there is a problem but offering NO real solutions to fix the problems.
MTs and Loot boxes are a problem. Now how do we get EA, Activision-Blizzard, WB Interactive, and the rest of the AAA publisher and developers to stop putting them in the damn games?
Bitching about a problem is fine but at a certain point not having a plan to fix the problem it just then all the self-righteous bitching becomes annoying.
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Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2018 17:11:52 GMT
I'm no fan of predatory microtransactions, but I'll give Yong's clickbait videos a miss... Yong either doesn't know what he's talking about half the time, or is inaccurate because he's pushing an agenda. I laughed when he said Battlefront 2 was rushed out the door incomplete. EDIT: Oh he was talking about Battlefront 1. Fair enough. There's not too much difference between Sims 4 and Sims 3. Yes this latest pack is a dlc for a dlc, but Sims 3 also had over 400 dollars of expansions released for it. Sims 4 base game is pretty much a similar quality experience to sims 3 base game. Sims 3 base has more content and is more open world, yet sims 4 base has more options relating to the actual characters, and which you'd prefer depends on what you're looking for. Sims has been a predatory gaming experience for about 9 years now. Sims 3 was worse, it had a store that I think cost over a thousand dollars to get all the stuff for? I know people think that the Sims is predatory, but it has content released for it for over 5 years,and you don't actually have to buy all the content either, as different content is created for different players, they released Parenthood game pack and the Kids and Toddler stuff packs for family players, Vampires gamepacks for the occult, the new Jungle pack for those who like adventurous gameplay etc. EA is also very supportive of the mod/cc community too. It's not a model that would work for every game, but I think people forget, that the sim community actually wants more content, they get angsty if they go a month without a release of something. With the Sims you get what you buy as well, there's no RNG, I thought direct purchasing was something the gaming community actually wanted? I'm not sure how the Sims is anymore predatory then any other game, they other stuff and you either buy it or not. And they let you create your own content for the game too. And the Sims has had some variation of this model since Sims 1 (I know I was there, my Sims caught on fire alot)
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 17, 2018 17:52:27 GMT
Snip MTs and Loot boxes are a problem. Now how do we get EA, Activision-Blizzard, WB Interactive, and the rest of the AAA publisher and developers to stop putting them in the damn games? Bitching about a problem is fine but at a certain point not having a plan to fix the problem it just then all the self-righteous bitching becomes annoying.
Hm... Unfortunately, a silent gaming community will only get stomped by said publishers. Bitching and a concentrated push back by said community is the only way to get their attention. Fixing the "problem" requires said pubs to drop digital monetization and pursue another venue. Highly unlikely, as shooters, open worlds and MTXes are very profitable vs only DLCs/ "linear games". EA, imo, painted themselves into a corner and cannot go back to the "old ways". They have sold their souls to the Investors. Besides, the EA CEO gets Millions/year (imo). I doubt he wants to upset his gravy train.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 18, 2018 5:40:46 GMT
Snip MTs and Loot boxes are a problem. Now how do we get EA, Activision-Blizzard, WB Interactive, and the rest of the AAA publisher and developers to stop putting them in the damn games? Bitching about a problem is fine but at a certain point not having a plan to fix the problem it just then all the self-righteous bitching becomes annoying.
Hm... Unfortunately, a silent gaming community will only get stomped by said publishers. Bitching and a concentrated push back by said community is the only way to get their attention. Fixing the "problem" requires said pubs to drop digital monetization and pursue another venue. Highly unlikely, as shooters, open worlds and MTXes are very profitable vs only DLCs/ "linear games". EA, imo, painted themselves into a corner and cannot go back to the "old ways". They have sold their souls to the Investors. Besides, the EA CEO gets Millions/year (imo). I doubt he wants to upset his gravy train. The question I have is it really getting their attention? Some publishers are saying that they are not going to have lootboxes, but at the same time Ubisoft is adding lootboxes to two of its games. EA did go back and change the lootboxes for Battlefront 2, but I am still not sure EA was the only part involved in the decision making behind Battlefront 2 for Disney doesn't seem to strike me as a company that will go hands off in the creation of their IP based products. Now if it was Mass Effect or another EA property that they 100% own I would be a lot more likely to believe that EA heard the internet. Publishers have also changes their minds on subjects before as well since Bethesda has quietly stopped the no-review copy for their games since there were review copies for the last two releases being Wolfenstein 2 and Evil Within 2 a few days before release. The way I am looking at it, the voices of the internet have hurt themselves over the years with the extremists that do the threats or over reaction to things they don't like. So it has become easy for publishers to ignore what is said here because they just paint it all with the same brush just like people are quick to do with the publishers as well. The only way I can see it changing is if people stop buying the content and with the way publishers still are doubling down on microtransactions, DLC, or lootboxes I don't think that those purchases are going to slow down anytime soon. Edit: I might be remembering incorrectly, but weren't the reports that Disney "ordered" EA to remove the lockboxes so that would mean that it was Disney that pulled the plug to try and avoid controversy which they have done before with Gallizon when they pulled the Marvel license due to reports of sexual harassment at their offices. So if it was Disney that wanted lootboxes pulled it means EA wasn't listening either so their properties wouldn't see a change like that either.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 18, 2018 16:09:04 GMT
Hm... Unfortunately, a silent gaming community will only get stomped by said publishers. Bitching and a concentrated push back by said community is the only way to get their attention. Fixing the "problem" requires said pubs to drop digital monetization and pursue another venue. Highly unlikely, as shooters, open worlds and MTXes are very profitable vs only DLCs/ "linear games". EA, imo, painted themselves into a corner and cannot go back to the "old ways". They have sold their souls to the Investors. Besides, the EA CEO gets Millions/year (imo). I doubt he wants to upset his gravy train. The question I have is it really getting their attention? Some publishers are saying that they are not going to have lootboxes, but at the same time Ubisoft is adding lootboxes to two of its games. EA did go back and change the lootboxes for Battlefront 2, but I am still not sure EA was the only part involved in the decision making behind Battlefront 2 for Disney doesn't seem to strike me as a company that will go hands off in the creation of their IP based products. Now if it was Mass Effect or another EA property that they 100% own I would be a lot more likely to believe that EA heard the internet. Publishers have also changes their minds on subjects before as well since Bethesda has quietly stopped the no-review copy for their games since there were review copies for the last two releases being Wolfenstein 2 and Evil Within 2 a few days before release. The way I am looking at it, the voices of the internet have hurt themselves over the years with the extremists that do the threats or over reaction to things they don't like. So it has become easy for publishers to ignore what is said here because they just paint it all with the same brush just like people are quick to do with the publishers as well. The only way I can see it changing is if people stop buying the content and with the way publishers still are doubling down on microtransactions, DLC, or lootboxes I don't think that those purchases are going to slow down anytime soon. Edit: I might be remembering incorrectly, but weren't the reports that Disney "ordered" EA to remove the lockboxes so that would mean that it was Disney that pulled the plug to try and avoid controversy which they have done before with Gallizon when they pulled the Marvel license due to reports of sexual harassment at their offices. So if it was Disney that wanted lootboxes pulled it means EA wasn't listening either so their properties wouldn't see a change like that either. Right now Far Cry 5 is said to have cosmetic only MTXs. Not loot boxes. And EA only confirmed that there wont be any loot boxes in BF2, but didnt say anything about Anthem or any other future EA product, like FIFA for example. EA makes a butt load off of Ultimate Team cards which are essentially loot crates and it was Ultimate Team cards where EA got the idea from for Battlefront 2. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-17-fifa-players-react-to-eas-dramatic-star-wars-battlefront-2-microtransactions-u-turnBattlefront 2 is not the 1st time where EA implemented a pay2win lootbox style feature in their game. This is why trying to let EA off the hook and put the blame on Disney is pure BS. EAs pattern has shown that they have been slowly building up to this and didn't have any problems with the idea before. This is why Anthem will be interesting. Unlike Star Wars which is owned by Disney, Anthem is owned by EA and there wont be a Disney to come check EA when it comes to loot boxes. The internet is ready for a round 3 with EA. First round was Mass Effect Andromenda, second round was Battlefront 2. Anthem is next....
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 18, 2018 16:37:23 GMT
Even SofaJockey who has seen the extreme ways of me in the past watched the video and admitted that it was informative and eye opening. You however quickly dismissed it as some gag reflex about anything that isnt pro EA. We have different perspectives (and are allowed to). To me, the SkillUp video had done some proper research. I used to like Yong's videos around the time of Metal Gear Solid V's release, but the lure of clicks has got to him in my view. That's not to say his criticisms of EA over BFII were unwarranted, but his videos often go for the most cynical interpretation and everything being the spawn of Beelzebub. I think some level of microtransaction may be warranted if they do not impact the game economy or play2win in a $60 game. In the same way as games should be punished for predatory MTX's (BFII) it makes no sense to boycott out of hand any game a snide youtuber paints as (stealing the term recently used by Jason Shreier) a Disney villain... EA got it wrong with BFII, perhaps WB also with Shadow of War. Ubisoft have been doing them pretty well in Assassin's Creed. I think that qualitative difference should be recognized, and with Anthem, I hope BioWare follow the latter approach.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 18, 2018 16:42:37 GMT
Even SofaJockey who has seen the extreme ways of me in the past watched the video and admitted that it was informative and eye opening. You however quickly dismissed it as some gag reflex about anything that isnt pro EA. We have different perspectives (and are allowed to). To me, the SkillUp video had done some proper research. I used to like Yong's videos around the time of Metal Gear Solid V's release, but the lure of clicks has got to him in my view. That's not to say his criticisms of EA over BFII were unwarranted, but his videos often go for the most cynical interpretation and everything being the spawn of Beelzebub. I think some level of microtransaction may be warranted if they do not impact the game economy or play2win in a $60 game. In the same way as games should be punished for predatory MTX's (BFII) it makes no sense to boycott out of hand any game a snide youtuber paints as (stealing the term recently used by Jason Shreier) a Disney villain... EA got it wrong with BFII, perhaps WB also with Shadow of War. Ubisoft have been doing them pretty well in Assassin's Creed. I think that qualitative difference should be recognized, and with Anthem, I hope BioWare follow the latter approach. But like the Skillup video showed, BF2 was not the first time a play to win lootbox style feature wad used by EA. EA had been using them in Ultimate Team for years. It is because of this success, that EA extended this feature into BF2 and only cause of Disney, it got pulled. But there wont be a Disney to pull anything from Anthem.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 18, 2018 16:55:50 GMT
To me, the SkillUp video had done some proper research. I used to like Yong's videos(...), but the lure of clicks has got to him in my view. That's not to say his criticisms of EA over BFII were unwarranted, but his videos often go for the most cynical interpretation and everything being the spawn of Beelzebub. Lure of clicks is lure of dem dolla bills. When it becomes your income source and no longer a paeon to your hobby, but a Mission Statement question: How I get paid? Also, there us too much visual noise and inconsistency in his presentation. Yong wants to be taken seriously, has this serious voice that he keeps (intentionally?) monotone, and yet looks like a stereotype supermodel of "not professional". When YongYea plays ME3MP, he plays Silver with a level 20 GI Harrier AP4 AC5. The very definition of a tryhard.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 18, 2018 17:04:04 GMT
But there wont be a Disney to pull anything from Anthem. I don't think they will need a Disney. They know the mood of the gaming public and the risk of Anthem bombing. I think they will play it safe.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 18, 2018 19:52:54 GMT
Youg Yea, I believe, is trying to inject/reveal some truths with industry practices. He does, do his homework. If you call literally reading reddit posts as 90% of the content in the vid as homework ... Look, my problem with this guy has nothing to do with EA. He makes vids about all publishers and all games -- whatever is attracting the most attention. And that's the problem. He's chasing views. It's not about "revealing truths". It's about making money. Pretty ironic, you gotta admit. His EA stuff isn't even the worst out there. Downward Thrust is a lot worse, by far. Pure muckracking and raging for the sake of raging. I can't stand that guy and refuse to watch any of his vids any more. If you want someone who actually tries to "shine some light" and not just chase whatever is getting clicks, try Tarmack's channel. He does chase some popular stories, but he does enough of his own, including some unpopular ones, to earn some credibility. EDIT: Catching up with the rest of the thread, SkillUp is good too. I do agree that SkillUp vids tend to be pretty well researched and balanced, better even than Tarmack. But Tarmack has more "new games this week" kind of thing, which I find interesting. On the other hand, Tarmack's "games don't cost more to make" video was a disaster -- a bad conclusion drawn from a flawed methodology.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 18, 2018 19:58:53 GMT
But there wont be a Disney to pull anything from Anthem. I don't think they will need a Disney. They know the mood of the gaming public and the risk of Anthem bombing. I think they will play it safe. The question that leaves is that outrage really the mood of the gaming public or not. It might be the mood of groups online, but how many of those would or would not have bought the game or are there people in that group that swear they will never buy another EA game again so the numbers get bloated to one side? Its just like DLC and MTX for people online seem to hate them, but those have expanded over the years and expanded in my opinion. There is always the groups online that claim the content is cut from the game or that they deserve it for free because it was clearly part of the game and yet it still is in each game and they expanded the idea to include Season Passes.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 18, 2018 20:24:21 GMT
But there wont be a Disney to pull anything from Anthem. I don't think they will need a Disney. They know the mood of the gaming public and the risk of Anthem bombing. I think they will play it safe. Then why does Ultimate Team still exist?
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 18, 2018 20:34:03 GMT
Right now Far Cry 5 is said to have cosmetic only MTXs. Not loot boxes. And EA only confirmed that there wont be any loot boxes in BF2, but didnt say anything about Anthem or any other future EA product, like FIFA for example. EA makes a butt load off of Ultimate Team cards which are essentially loot crates and it was Ultimate Team cards where EA got the idea from for Battlefront 2. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-17-fifa-players-react-to-eas-dramatic-star-wars-battlefront-2-microtransactions-u-turnBattlefront 2 is not the 1st time where EA implemented a pay2win lootbox style feature in their game. This is why trying to let EA off the hook and put the blame on Disney is pure BS. EAs pattern has shown that they have been slowly building up to this and didn't have any problems with the idea before. This is why Anthem will be interesting. Unlike Star Wars which is owned by Disney, Anthem is owned by EA and there wont be a Disney to come check EA when it comes to loot boxes. The internet is ready for a round 3 with EA. First round was Mass Effect Andromenda, second round was Battlefront 2. Anthem is next.... The two games I was referring to are Rainbow Six: Siege and Ghost Recon: Wildlands which has been out for two years and a year respectively. They might not have them in Far Cry 5, but they are putting them into other games that have been released in the past. As far as FIFA people said they are fine with collectible card games and that is what Ultimate Team sounds like to me. They are welcome to be upset at it, but if you don't like it you can't still play the standard version of the game (I think its called franchise mode)? Unlike Battlefront 2 my problem is that is was the only way to play the game so there wasn't a mode of the game to play without people buying content. Which seemed to be a lot of what I was hearing is that it was the only way to play the game and it was a pay to win system.
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Post by simit on Mar 18, 2018 20:41:15 GMT
Because noone bothered about it? my m8's all play fifa, there football fanatics, ultimate team an lootboxes dont bother them at all an they all put a few quid in at end of the week when payday hits, if im brutally honest they just laugh at these conversations an there biggest problem aint mtx or lootboxes but being sold the same game with a updated roster.
No doubt ppl will call them the "saps" for buying into it, an again they'd laugh at you, but they know what they like an will support it regardless of what anyone thinks.
Heck they thought i was mental for playing wow for a decade an paying a tenner a month to do so but acknowledged it was no different than them buying there ultimate team, even warframe which is ftp an you can earn everything for free i put a couple of hundred quid into, why? because i liked it an wanted to support it
EDIT: Also unlike fps or rpg etc etc where you have soooo many options, sports fans an sports fans of a particular sport have not so many, if you want a football game with the correct roster then your only option really is fifa
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 18, 2018 22:39:46 GMT
Then why does Ultimate Team still exist? Because that gaming audience appears to accept it? [ah, I see simit has addressed this point] I'm not really into sports games, is it tolerated because sport is already riddled with sponsorship and monetization?
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Post by simit on Mar 18, 2018 23:14:28 GMT
No idea m8, outside of getting a loan of one to try i dont bother much with them, my older brother was a huge Tiger Woods PGA Golf fan an bought every one of them religiously for years upto one year he bought one an half the stuff like the actual coarses were put behind a pay wall or some online shit, cant remember tbh, but it was enough for him not to bother with them again, the only reason i can think ppl tolerate it is, as i said, there really is no alternatives to the likes of fifa, madden etc or it might simply be the ppl that play them dont mind, i mean the money generated from them washes away the argument of only a minority with fat wallets buy this stuff tbh an if my m8's are anything to go by, who are just ordinary working class with families, they dont mind putting in a extra few quid for mtx.
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Post by river82 on Mar 19, 2018 0:16:03 GMT
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Post by simit on Mar 19, 2018 0:48:36 GMT
Yeah but not many player or team names last time i checked, admittedly that was years ago, but i did play it years ago an back then the gameplay was better
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