Railrafale
N1
Shhuuuuuuum.... shhuuuuuummmmm...
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy
Posts: 36 Likes: 57
inherit
8552
0
57
Railrafale
Shhuuuuuuum.... shhuuuuuummmmm...
36
May 25, 2017 21:45:16 GMT
May 2017
railrafale
Mass Effect Trilogy
|
Post by Railrafale on Oct 27, 2017 19:35:42 GMT
At my first gameplay i though that kid could be a Shepard´s son on the future. I didnt romance anyone on the trilogy so the visions could be treated as her family after reaper war.
Then i learned you can romance crewmembers so that explanation has no sense. So i was toootally wrong about it. Which is or were your meanings about those nightmares?
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 27, 2017 20:19:21 GMT
Abstract concept of Shepard wrestling with the fact he can't save everyone. Culminating in Shepard accepting he will die in his efforts to prevent the Reapers from winning.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 27, 2017 20:25:29 GMT
The child was stated by Bioware in the artbook I believe to be a representation to all the people Shepard couldn't save no matter what they do. Having a face to attach to that idea hits harder than a mass of people. 'One death is a tragedy, one million is a statistic' kind of thing. They have the mass of people too in the form of the shadows wandering around in the dreams, and to finalize that concept they have lines from your team members who died throughout the games.
|
|
Upggrade
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy
Origin: Upggradde
PSN: Upggrade
Posts: 200 Likes: 454
inherit
1025
0
Apr 16, 2022 23:13:56 GMT
454
Upggrade
200
Aug 16, 2016 23:51:44 GMT
August 2016
upggrade
Mass Effect Trilogy
Upggradde
Upggrade
|
Post by Upggrade on Oct 28, 2017 21:34:20 GMT
I hate those dreams. My Shepard doesn't give half a shit about the people he can't save. Or the ones he does save. The dreams feel like Bioware wanting you to feel bad, the same way they wanted you to bang Liara.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
Nov 26, 2024 12:38:10 GMT
26,303
themikefest
15,635
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Oct 29, 2017 0:04:52 GMT
It can be interpreted in different ways. I would guess Bioware wanted to say that everyone couldn't be saved. The problem is that I already knew that. I didn't need the dreams to tell me that.
The kid is the only one seen in the whole trilogy. So when he was killed with the rest of the people on the shuttles, it was sad, but it wouldn't be enough to have dreams about him. If anything, my Shepard cared more about A/K who died on Virmire than the kid. Then when the catalyst is shown in the kid form, I just said whatever.
I just headcannon my Shepard is dreaming about being at a Led Zeppelin concert
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 29, 2017 6:20:45 GMT
It can be interpreted in different ways. I would guess Bioware wanted to say that everyone couldn't be saved. The problem is that I already knew that. I didn't need the dreams to tell me that. Well that seems to be a shock to the player base it seems like some times.
|
|
inherit
ღ Aerial Flybys
61
0
1
27,347
Obsidian Gryphon
10,621
August 2016
obsidiangryphon
ObsidianGryphon
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 29, 2017 8:47:18 GMT
Bunch of s**te. I was going; wtfh is this crummy sequence. wth is the kid? If Shep has to dream about bad stuff (from stress, etc), it should be someone s/he knew. Disliked the dream sequence so much I wished I could dump it down the clapper when I was playing the game.
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 31, 2017 1:33:40 GMT
Bunch of s**te. I was going; wtfh is this crummy sequence. wth is the kid? If Shep has to dream about bad stuff (from stress, etc), it should be someone s/he knew. Disliked the dream sequence so much I wished I could dump it down the clapper when I was playing the game. This I think best represents why I don't take a lot of the complaints about this game seriously. Either they don't understand what is going on and so ignore it or because they don't like it they disregard what BioWare is at least attempting to say then complain how stuff makes not sense or is poorly developed. Granted the entire story line doens't hinge on this dream sequence but it is indicative of a trend I've noticed over the years.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Oct 31, 2017 5:45:59 GMT
At my first gameplay i though that kid could be a Shepard´s son on the future. I didnt romance anyone on the trilogy so the visions could be treated as her family after reaper war. Then i learned you can romance crewmembers so that explanation has no sense. So i was toootally wrong about it. Which is or were your meanings about those nightmares? I thought the kid was just a representation of the loss of Earth. His death symbolized the deaths of so many on Earth. It's in line with all dead teammates having a voice in the dreams. Curiously, the presence of Shepard himself in the last dream really threw me since I've only ever played with Citadel DLC installed. I made an assumption that the "Shepard" in the dream was actually the clone, who was dead by this point. It was pretty recently that my attention was drawn to the fact that it was actually Shepard and not the clone (though I guess either interpretation works with the dlc installed). In that case, it's foreshadowing Shepard's own probable death, which is what I always assume was BioWare's intention. (Not my intention, though, since I always save him.)
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Oct 31, 2017 6:17:59 GMT
Bunch of s**te. I was going; wtfh is this crummy sequence. wth is the kid? If Shep has to dream about bad stuff (from stress, etc), it should be someone s/he knew. Disliked the dream sequence so much I wished I could dump it down the clapper when I was playing the game. Sure, but who did Shepard care about? A seriously Renegade Shepard probably had no problem sacrificing each and every one of his teammates, if not outright shooting them in the back. Hence, BioWare used a kid, a representation of someone innocent that anyone but a total asshole would feel bad about dying. (Though, to be fair, Shepard might be a total asshole.) In ME1, you can have literally have a Shepard that pretty much tells Kaidan to get over it when Jenkins dies. Same for the Virmire Survivor when the other dies. And really doesn't give two shits about the Council surviving, not to mention 10,000 other asari aboard the Destiny Ascension. So, yeah, they need to pick someone neutral in all of this.
|
|
inherit
ღ Aerial Flybys
61
0
1
27,347
Obsidian Gryphon
10,621
August 2016
obsidiangryphon
ObsidianGryphon
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 31, 2017 6:45:44 GMT
Bunch of s**te. I was going; wtfh is this crummy sequence. wth is the kid? If Shep has to dream about bad stuff (from stress, etc), it should be someone s/he knew. Disliked the dream sequence so much I wished I could dump it down the clapper when I was playing the game. Sure, but who did Shepard care about? A seriously Renegade Shepard probably had no problem sacrificing each and every one of his teammates, if not outright shooting them in the back. Hence, BioWare used a kid, a representation of someone innocent that anyone but a total asshole would feel bad about dying. (Though, to be fair, Shepard might be a total asshole.) In ME1, you can have literally have a Shepard that pretty much tells Kaidan to get over it when Jenkins dies. Same for the Virmire Survivor when the other dies. And really doesn't give two shits about the Council surviving, not to mention 10,000 other asari aboard the Destiny Ascension. So, yeah, they need to pick someone neutral in all of this. I have a different interpretation on the dream bop since the Shepard I play is a marine with conscience. Everyone has their own way of looking at things. Everyone has their own Shepards. Everyone has something that haunts them. Sometimes, it comes back to haunt them again in the future. They would be reminded, they would think of that old event or person / people. They replay the mistakes they made over and over again (sometimes persistently), what they should have done, what they shouldn't have done, decisions they should have made. Shepard is a marine. Every death is imprinted and never forgotten, especially more so since Shepard became an officer. S/he knows what they're getting into or they wouldn't have signed up. An action, a command that could result in death is felt more personally. The wound that cuts the deepest is always the one that floats to the fore. Since there is little known of Shepard's military history, we could only go on what we knew from ME 1. The death on Virmire. S/he was forced to leave the officer and / Salarian squad behind. S/he made the decision, there was nothing else they could do. We go to ME 3, s/he could only watch helplessly as the Reaper destroyed the rescue shuttles. Again, Shepard could do nothing. The nightmares make sense. Shepard is experiencing a lot of stress. Cumulative since ME 1. Deep down, s/he felt vulnerable, helpless. Deep down, they didn't think the war could be won. They knew millions were going to die and they could do nothing. What doesn't make sense is the kid. I would have accepted it better if Ash / Kaidan / Salarian squad (and companions who died in ME 2) were also in the dream sequence. Why not? Don't all of them hold the same aspect? Even before that kid showed up at the end, in the first PT, I was going; wtf are you? I know you're supposed to be Shepard's guilt, but why only you? There're others. There should be others. If they could bloody add in the voices of the Virmire officers, then they could / should put them in there and have them confront Shepard. My itty bitty minus point one one cent. End of line.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Oct 31, 2017 7:22:03 GMT
Obsidian Gryphon: Oh, I'm right there with you on how my Shepard behaves. I've only ever been able to really be Renegade to any extent in ME2. Well, in ME1 to the extent that I wanted to see what it would be like if the Council died. Can't do Renegade in ME3. That's basically saying your Shepard is evil; killing Reapers is fine because it's still killing but all the other unavoidable deaths are unconscionable. It's one thing to push a merc out a window to plummet to his death - you were likely going to kill him anyway; it's another to shoot Mordin in the back because he wants to end genocide against the krogan.
|
|
stephenw32768
N3
Quarian Ally
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy
PSN: stephenw32768
Prime Posts: 433
Prime Likes: 679
Posts: 646 Likes: 3,000
inherit
350
0
Aug 31, 2016 18:47:06 GMT
3,000
stephenw32768
Quarian Ally
646
August 2016
stephenw32768
Mass Effect Trilogy
stephenw32768
433
679
|
Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 31, 2017 8:28:49 GMT
Obsidian Gryphon : Oh, I'm right there with you on how my Shepard behaves. I've only ever been able to really be Renegade to any extent in ME2. Well, in ME1 to the extent that I wanted to see what it would be like if the Council died. And even that can be justified by a Paragon who makes the military command decision to stop Sovereign at all costs. That's how my first playthrough went.
|
|
Inosha T'Rynn
N2
Truth...hurts
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: InoshaTRynn
Posts: 174 Likes: 561
inherit
6263
0
Dec 15, 2017 22:50:00 GMT
561
Inosha T'Rynn
Truth...hurts
174
March 2017
identiaetslos
Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda
InoshaTRynn
|
Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Nov 9, 2017 15:40:14 GMT
For Korynn, the Catalyst manifests itself in her conscience as the representation of Korynn's resentment: The theft of innocence. She is also haunted by everyone she's witnessed die or had to kill as a result: Kaidan, Thane, Morinth, Vasir, Benezia, etc, and the fear that she will lose more, she will also lose herself, and the hopelessness and bitterness that goes along with tragedy.
|
|
SwobyJ
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 2,107 Likes: 2,175
Member is Online
inherit
2698
0
Member is Online
Nov 26, 2024 23:29:10 GMT
2,175
SwobyJ
2,107
January 2017
swobyj
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
|
Post by SwobyJ on Nov 27, 2017 16:56:02 GMT
Suspicious Reaper intervention to exploit overt or latent negative feelings of Shepard, for the purpose of guiding him towards his end. The child represents something that only a monster could ignore (though Shepard can be such a monster that it makes total sense for him to struggle against this messaging; but usually he's not RPed that way), while also having that level of annoyance about the kid that only the utterly naive could ignore (though Shepard can be so trusting that he'll just go right along with whatever happens to him as long as it looks good; but usually he's not RPed that way... or at least not that much).
Weird dreams be weird dreams. Whatever happened, he made it to the beam.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
31,154
gervaise21
13,087
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2017 17:27:23 GMT
The symbolic kid was always a bit of an annoyance to me because I felt that the writers were trying to manipulate how I should feel if that is all he was. I very much did wonder if the dreams were an indication that the Reapers were trying to indoctrinate Shepard. When the same kid turned up at the end as the representation of the AI behind the Reapers I was convinced that was what the dreams were meant to be showing. Why was it using a hologram of the same kid if they hadn't been responsible for the dreams?
So to learn the dreams were simply meant to show Shepard's negative feelings about the number of people who they couldn't save is something of a let down. It is back to the writers saying how Shepard was feeling and manipulating you to agree with that outlook. I really don't see the point. The dreams had no impact on my subsequent decisions or how I personally, in my Shepard persona, responded to events. I always knew that things would get really bad when the Reapers turned up and had done my level best to warn people. It was hardly Shepard's fault if no one listened.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
7734
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:31:55 GMT
Deleted
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:31:55 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 7:20:47 GMT
Shepard wants to sleep with his mum (resp. her dad)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
946
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:31:55 GMT
Deleted
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:31:55 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 2:44:07 GMT
My interpretation of them is that the Reapers are messing with Shepard's mind.
|
|
aoibhealfae
N3
The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 811 Likes: 1,190
inherit
1157
0
1,190
aoibhealfae
The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
811
Aug 23, 2016 19:19:58 GMT
August 2016
aoibhealfae
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by aoibhealfae on Dec 6, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
My interpretation was the boy isn't just a symbolism, he was really her son who died. Shepard was pregnant with Kaidan's baby when she was killed along with the first Normandy which is why she never told anyone about it, why she felt unusually hollow in ME2 that she pushed Kaidan away as well and why she kept having nightmares when something big happen to Kaidan and her (after he was hospitalized, before the Citadel stand-off and before Cronos Station where Kaidan found out Shepard really died). Its also how Illusive Man knew the true nature of their relationship. ^its just too motherly to me Also how the reapers know exactly what button to push when Shepard was bleeding out. They practically pull the image of her own son out her mind and trying to talk their way out from killing them. She have to let him go.
|
|