So, now that it's all OVER. How would you rate MEA:MP?

6/10 would bang, with a few shots of tequila before, ofc.

uh? oh, average.

I guess you use the phone app.

Then try to imagine how long it takes without all the MF. That was kinda my experience.

But the bulk of the MFs comes from the dailies. And the dailies are super easy, and most of them can be solo'd in under 90 minutes. You do not need an App. In ME3MP there is no extra helping hand. MF is a godsend.

But the answer is in the game.

MultiPLAYER. Are you saying you never made one friend to goof around with? The moment I joined ye olde BSN, I found a group willing to teach me how to play on higher difficulties, and carry me when I struggled. Isn't it kinda the whole point of a place like this? To find likeminded people to help us git gud?

To me, MEA isn't fun enough to grind. I don't even need the credits in ME3 because its fun even with vanilla gear.

I said "most", and I should have clarified that it excluded Platinum and Gold waves Dailies

You don't need to reload cancel in me3. Its only effective and worthwhile for certain weapons.

Human adept armed with just an uncommon pistol can own in gold. So you can't say you can't play effectively with me3 characters. Vanilla characters at that. So I will disagree with you there.

And I'm not even that good.

Well, obviously you can. I, on the other hand, could not.

In MEA I did well. So, I liked MEA. It has ways to help me compensate for my shortcomings.

ME3 does not and I did not do well in it.

It’s really that simple.

And, yeah, I think I ended up with 100 to 150 hours in ME3MP, and only 80 or so in MEA, but i did wish things would have turned out differently, and I would have returned to ME:A if they did. It really crushed me when they announced no DLC because it meant no MP additions of new stuff. Just frigging sad.

So, yeah, that’s that. SP games.

My first inclination was average, maybe somewhat below. But with a little more thought, I put it as "Just Bad". Why:


Even though I didn’t start till after 1.06, it just never grabbed me. I don’t know how I managed 100 hrs. And the last third of that was mostly a “just grind a few more achievements, and get some more MF’s … and why am I doing this again?...”

Here’s my (okay not too) brief list of where it missed in my thinking:

1) Grind. Skill pts behind card unlocks was a very bad idea.
2) Grind. XP gain was far too slow
3) Grind. Credit gain was too slow
4) Grind. Challenge points too slow
5) Grind. Patch 1.09 … ‘nuff said
6) Grind. Okay, not ‘nuff: variant weapons are atrocious.
7) Grind. And double that for the 1.09 weapon mods
8) Grind. Hell, one dev admitted they added this all to give us something to keep us playing (it was a response on Reddit, can’t find the link). Hmmm, why not try making the game compelling instead?

9) Lack of variety to maps, weapons, enemies, etc. It just got old fast.

10) No compelling enemies. Part of this is lore. In ME3, I had three games of history with Reapers, Cerberus and Geth. Here, I had a few weeks of SP with (boring) Kett, Remnants and Outcasts. There simply is nothing like a Banshee in this game.

11) Soloing: I did over 200 in ME3. Loved trying new kits and themes. Level 1 with a base weapon? Sure, let’s go!
They messed it up here. Mission waves were terrible to solo. Credit, XP, challenge pts were crippled. Do a gold solo in ME3 and get 300-400K. What do you get here, a sixth of that?

12) MF challenges. Hey, I appreciate the idea of MF’s as another currency. Ditto letting us earn another 60 per day. But they really, really messed up the game. Near every random lobby was the Firebase and/or enemy du (challenge) jour. And why didn’t they ever add the other 3 FB’s to the challenge rotation? Seriously repetitive and boring.

13) The whole challenge structure was uninspired & unbalanced. Complete Enemies in a week ... complete your Rank6 prestige in … waaay more than I’ll ever play. No "Best of the Best"? No solo challenges (not that I want to do them here). Just flat & dull.

So, bottom line, the grind was unbearable. Sure, ME3 MP had a lot of that too. But they took it to Eleven here. And with little compelling to compensate.

You pretty much summed up why I find it impossible to play this game as long without frustration and headache compared to ME3MP.

Didn't quite expect to see someone say something like this. Very refreshing.  At least we can all take comfort in the fact that the development team was running on the tears of white people and there were no damn conservatives in it.  For that we can all be happy.  That is what is really important here.  Not the games.

Let's also take a moment for the game development masterpiece that is jump packs.