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Post by Artemis on Nov 12, 2017 23:57:51 GMT
I am curious what will happen when Celene dies. She's unmarried, no children, her nearest relation and heir was in open rebellion, not to mention that she isn't a spring chicken anymore. I imagine Orlais will rip itself apart no matter who rules now. The same problem with Ferelden, even if you get a stable kingdom by marrying Alistair and Anora, nearly a decade has passed and no heir. The future will be an interesting time. Dragon Age 6: Everything is On Fire. Again. Damn it, Anders! Not again! We should only be so lucky that the franchise continues for so long Though it'll be sad to hear of our heroes from the first few games dying from old age lmao
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 13, 2017 0:20:23 GMT
By then the Hero of Ferelden should be dead too, due to the whole 'use the Blight to fight the Blight' angle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 0:38:31 GMT
By then the Hero of Ferelden should be dead too, due to the whole 'use the Blight to fight the Blight' angle. The Calling? yeah, that should be all alives warden fate.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 13, 2017 9:35:09 GMT
36 or so? Maker's Breath I'm glad I asked! If I'd have guessed judging from her appearance in WEWH I'd have put her at around 70 or so! Good grief, I don't know if you've never met a 70 year old or those you know really look good. Judging by her appearance I would have put her somewhere in her 50's...I definitely wouldn't have guesse mid-30's...must be all that ham that tastes of despair.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2017 14:00:36 GMT
I was checking to see how old Anora was and I came up with another anomaly in WoT. It says that Alistair was born in 9:10 Dragon. Also confirmed by WoT2 and that seems about right because that would make him 20 at the beginning of DAO.
Then WoT says that Maric and the Grey Wardens defeated the Architect in 9:14 Dragon. Hold on a minute. Wasn't that when he met Fiona? So Alistair was born 4 years before Maric had his fling with Fiona. Another example of time travel in Thedas? Or that Fiona wasn't his mother. Or that Maric wasn't his father? Or simply proof that the writers of WoT really aren't good with dates.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
I was checking to see how old Anora was and I came up with another anomaly in WoT. It says that Alistair was born in 9:10 Dragon. Also confirmed by WoT2 and that seems about right because that would make him 20 at the beginning of DAO. Then WoT says that Maric and the Grey Wardens defeated the Architect in 9:14 Dragon. Hold on a minute. Wasn't that when he met Fiona? So Alistair was born 4 years before Maric had his fling with Fiona. Another example of time travel in Thedas? Or that Fiona wasn't his mother. Or that Maric wasn't his father? Or simply proof that the writers of WoT really aren't good with dates. or just a publishing mistake with the writing, that's not uncommon. anyway, one way or another, you are overthinking to much.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2017 15:37:17 GMT
I think it is more than just a typo when you have a flag for the birth of Alistair and then 3 flags later (on the same page) the one for the Architect and King Maric considering that in the preface we are assured that the book has been "ruthlessly fact checked". That is a pretty glaring anomaly when each of the intervening entries is a date after 9:10. So I've checked the "List of Errata" at the end of WoT2 and they admit the date was wrong in WoT1 and it should have been 9:10.
And there are some peculiarities with dates in WoT2 that they may address if they bring out another book. Most glaringly concerning Keeper Marethari who was said to have taken over the Sabrae clan around 8:82. Except in Dalish Warden origin their father was said to have been the previous keeper of their clan, which would make Warden Mahariel at least 48 years of age at the start of DAO and I really didn't form the impression they were that old. Then you have the conflicting dates in the account of Dorian's history with the events in Alexius' history with the codex for Alexius and what Dorian says in game.
So I'm not over thinking anything. Just expressing as I often do my annoyance with paying out good money for something, being assured of its accuracy and then finding the reality falls somewhat short of this. I don't mind if it is some event in the dim and distant past. That can be explained by inaccuracies in records, fragmented racial memory, etc. When it involves characters were have encountered in game and are closely connected with either the plot, the PC or both, it is disappointing to have this occur.
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 13, 2017 16:36:11 GMT
Ferelden - no heirs no matter who's in charge, Orlais - heirs and arguments but they could basically break out into Civil War again if proper steps aren't taken by either Gaspard or Celine depending on your ending, Nevarra's Royal Family is *constantly* trying to kill each other because of just *how* aware everyone is of their place in line, the Free Marches are a rowdy bunch of Nations at the best of time (at one point Varric's dialogue with Cassandra reveals that Sebastian and Starkhaven were trying to take over Kirkwall, and then... everything's fine by Trespasser? What?)...
The political messes would be happening whether there was a Blight or a Corypheus or anything else; it was my biggest story beef with DA2 actually - whereas the Warden and the Inquisitor could make everyone else shut up and listen, NOTHING Hawke did in the end could calm anything down; but as time passes from the last time I played DA2, the more I'm able to look at it like Andronicus. It's a Tragedy, and a Shakespearean one at that, and Hawke is lucky to have gotten out of the whole mess with their life.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2017 16:37:31 GMT
I am curious what will happen when Celene dies. She's unmarried, no children, her nearest relation and heir was in open rebellion, not to mention that she isn't a spring chicken anymore. I imagine Orlais will rip itself apart no matter who rules now. The same problem with Ferelden, even if you get a stable kingdom by marrying Alistair and Anora, nearly a decade has passed and no heir. The future will be an interesting time. Celene would probably name an heir before that happened. Same with Alistair. Of course, such appointments would have to be ratified. By the Council of Heralds in Orlais, and the Landsmeet in Ferelden.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2017 17:06:05 GMT
One cannot always foresee one's death, particularly in a place like Orlais. It is clear from the epilogue screen to DAI for Celene that they are comparing her to Elizabeth I of England, so she probably will die without issue. Now she had made it clear who was to inherit on her death but there would seem to be no obvious candidate to follow Celene like there was with James I (VI of Scotland). If Gaspard and Florianne are dead and Gaspard doesn't have any heirs, then it does seem a case of whoever can convince the Heralds or kill enough rivals who will get the role. So there is likely to be a fair bit of carnage even if it doesn't result in all out civil war.
Ferelden is likely to be a more calm transition since the role of monarch doesn't carry the same power of the Emperor/Empress of Orlais does and they have a well established system of ratifying the position. As I pointed out above, they do also have a suitable candidate in Fergus Cousland or his heirs. If not, there should not be the same violence attending the selection as there is in Orlais. The reason Loghain caused a civil war was because of the way in which he grabbed power by dubious means and ignored the normal process of the Landsmeet until it was forced upon him.
It seems likely that there will be big trouble soon, though, in Nevarra. So that may be the next place the PC has to decide the succession.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2017 17:42:31 GMT
So? Celene has no heir? Well, she might be in luck. I talked with my male Inquisitor who isn't seeing anyone. He would be interested in marrying Celene.
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2017 17:53:03 GMT
Briala is about the same age as Celene, seeing as they grew up together. Gaspard was born in 8:74 Blessed, which would make him roughly 67 years old. Florianne is his younger sister, but she’s still in her late fifties to early sixties. WOW, I hadn't known he was that old because I hadn't cared enough about him to look it up. He doesn't look that old at all, he has black beard stubble.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2017 18:38:30 GMT
So? Celene has no heir? Well, she might be in luck. I talked with my male Inquisitor who isn't seeing anyone. He would be interested in marrying Celene. I don't think you're her type...
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2017 18:45:18 GMT
he has black beard stubble. He uses reparex.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2017 18:48:48 GMT
I don't think you're her type... Unless I'm the Inquisitor, which I'm not, why assume me? I might agree with you had you said your Inquisitor isn't her type.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2017 18:52:35 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2017 18:55:12 GMT
I don't think you're her type... Unless I'm the Inquisitor, which I'm not, why assume me? I might agree with you had you said your Inquisitor isn't her type. Way to spoil the joke
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2017 18:57:22 GMT
I get the joke, but it would have been better if he referred to my Inquisitor instead of referring me, right?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2017 19:15:25 GMT
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Not everyone turns grey at the same time. My grandfather was 65 when he died and yet apparently his hair was still jet black. I was looking at an old photo of him as a young man with my mother and she said how he was just as she remembered him. I mentioned the dark hair and the lack of wrinkles but she assured me he had hardly aged at all from his picture when he died. Both Gaspard and Florianne were lacking in wrinkles too so perhaps their family had some sort of youth gene going.
Florianne was really fit and active as well. I know people can be at her age but usually they are not living the life of luxury at Court that she is. She must have been doing some serious fitness training in private.
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2017 19:19:45 GMT
. Not everyone turns grey at the same time. My grandfather was 65 when he died and yet apparently his hair was still jet black. I was looking at an old photo of him as a young man with my mother and she said how he was just as she remembered him. I mentioned the dark hair and the lack of wrinkles but she assured me he had hardly aged at all from his picture when he died. Both Gaspard and Florianne were lacking in wrinkles too so perhaps their family had some sort of youth gene going. yeah, youth gene. But age is also in the voice. Gaspard was voice acted by someone in their 40s at time of recording. So he doesn't look, sound old. He also was capable of taking on a much younger Michel with only some cheating. There is absolutely nothing about his presentation to stake him as 67 PS, why do you always remove the user name tag? it can make it hard to follow a conversation with you.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2017 21:58:39 GMT
PS, why do you always remove the user name tag? it can make it hard to follow a conversation with you.
Is that better? I've never deliberately removed it, just useless at posting. I'm still learning after all this time!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that the whole presentation of Gaspard is a much younger person. May be the designers weren't told his age.
I think the Frostback Basin looks all wrong for somewhere that is effectively in the Arctic Circle or very near to it and certainly further south than the Korcari Wilds which look much bleaker and appropriate to the lattitude. Same goes for the Arbor Wilds.
As for Gaspard versus Michel in Masked Empire, well look how PW presented the Dalish attitude to city elves, totally contradicting all previous lore and conversations in DAO and DA2. Realism and adhering to the previous established history and lore wasn't going to be allowed to get in the way of his plotline.
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Post by Prince on Nov 13, 2017 22:06:14 GMT
She has the right age for the murder knife.
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Post by Artemis on Nov 13, 2017 22:08:07 GMT
I cannot believe Celene is only mid-30s Same age as me! She looks much older, mid-40s at the youngest. I also got that impression from the book. Briala I assumed was 20s/30s. Gaspard I would think would be a touch older than his cousin, but I was surprised by how he looked in Inquisition. No way was he past 40! The developers really need to communicate with each other more lol They ALWAYS have this problem.
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 13, 2017 22:10:41 GMT
I cannot believe Celene is only mid-30s Same age as me! She looks much older, mid-40s at the youngest. I also got that impression from the book. Briala I assumed was 20s/30s. Gaspard I would think would be a touch older than his cousin, but I was surprised by how he looked in Inquisition. No way was he past 40! The developers really need to communicate with each other more lol They ALWAYS have this problem. Agreed. Cailan didn't look sufficiently older than Alistair, either, and he was married to Anora who's closer to Alistair's age give or take a few years.
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
PS, why do you always remove the user name tag? it can make it hard to follow a conversation with you.
Is that better? I've never deliberately removed it, just useless at posting. I'm still learning after all this time!!!!!!!!!!
Much better I got a little notification that you replied to me. The other method relies on me checking back to read the thread and notice you replied to me.
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