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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 6, 2016 6:34:21 GMT
Should we colonize Venus instead of Mars? No. This is a wild fantasy about how Venus could hypothetically be colonized. But it is insanely difficult. We shall hopefully colonize Venus. But not instead of Mars and not before. Mars is a gazillion times easier. And I'd suggest the atmosphere on Venus to be modified first.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 6, 2016 10:37:38 GMT
No. Just no. Magnetic fields are not the same as gravity and does not cancel gravity. Nor do they solve any physical difficulty in spaceflight, such as energy gaps in celestial mechanics. If you by quantum communicators mean devices by which you propose to do faster than light communication? then I can tell you that according to current science it actually won't work. (Which frankly isn't all that big a surprise, even if the hypotheses was worthwhile). quantum communicators have already been done its been in the news both in Canada and china and in the us and at cern all have done the experiments and all have proven they work even if its only a couple of data bits at a time there already making FTL communications, more people and more money would allow them to conduct the experiments over greater distances and permit them to have two way instead of one way, strangely after the successful results in the test run in Canada were published university groups across the us and the uk have announced plans to create their own quantum hubs that link themselves and each other together to the hub already built in Canada and of course as expected the banks and international finance house are providing the bulk of the funding to help them achieve this stuff. as to magnetic fields, what exactly do you think gravity is how is it created ? I'll give you a clue its not centrifugal force, that would toss everything (and everyone) to the outside edge of the planet
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 6, 2016 12:55:48 GMT
No. Just no. Magnetic fields are not the same as gravity and does not cancel gravity. Nor do they solve any physical difficulty in spaceflight, such as energy gaps in celestial mechanics. If you by quantum communicators mean devices by which you propose to do faster than light communication? then I can tell you that according to current science it actually won't work. (Which frankly isn't all that big a surprise, even if the hypotheses was worthwhile). quantum communicators have already been done its been in the news both in Canada and china and in the us and at cern all have done the experiments and all have proven they work even if its only a couple of data bits at a time there already making FTL communications, more people and more money would allow them to conduct the experiments over greater distances and permit them to have two way instead of one way, strangely after the successful results in the test run in Canada were published university groups across the us and the uk have announced plans to create their own quantum hubs that link themselves and each other together to the hub already built in Canada and of course as expected the banks and international finance house are providing the bulk of the funding to help them achieve this stuff. as to magnetic fields, what exactly do you think gravity is how is it created ? I'll give you a clue its not centrifugal force, that would toss everything (and everyone) to the outside edge of the planet No, that's why I asked if you think it's FTL. It's not. As for gravity, it's one of the four fundamental forces in physics. I'll give you a clue: Electromagnetic is one of the others. As for "what it is", that, as so much else in physics, depends on how you look at it. One way is that it's a curvature in spacetime. Whatever it is, it's an always present force of attraction between masses, that is quantified by mass and distance.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 6, 2016 13:26:48 GMT
quantum communicators have already been done its been in the news both in Canada and china and in the us and at cern all have done the experiments and all have proven they work even if its only a couple of data bits at a time there already making FTL communications, more people and more money would allow them to conduct the experiments over greater distances and permit them to have two way instead of one way, strangely after the successful results in the test run in Canada were published university groups across the us and the uk have announced plans to create their own quantum hubs that link themselves and each other together to the hub already built in Canada and of course as expected the banks and international finance house are providing the bulk of the funding to help them achieve this stuff. as to magnetic fields, what exactly do you think gravity is how is it created ? I'll give you a clue its not centrifugal force, that would toss everything (and everyone) to the outside edge of the planet No, that's why I asked if you think it's FTL. It's not. As for gravity, it's one of the four fundamental forces in physics. I'll give you a clue: Electromagnetic is one of the others. As for "what it is", that, as so much else in physics, depends on how you look at it. One way is that it's a curvature in spacetime. Whatever it is, it's an always present force of attraction between masses, that is quantified by mass and distance. so you don't believe the published peer reviewed results of the QEC projects that took place in both china and Canada that spawned those hub creations and the investment packages...
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 6, 2016 13:42:38 GMT
nanotm, just stop man. You're preaching pseudo-science or engineering that you don't understand.
QEC doesn't exist. It only exists in Mass Effect. What China launched was essentially a satellite with an quantum information processor that is hardened against networking and viral attacks.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 6, 2016 14:10:01 GMT
The aging thing is interesting. There is a real problems with our concept of living longer and that is though we as humans are doing a pretty good job of making ourselves live longer we have done a poor job and put way too few resources in living well as we get old.
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 6, 2016 14:14:17 GMT
The aging thing is interesting. There is a real problems with our concept of living longer and that is though we as humans are doing a pretty good job of making ourselves live longer we have done a poor job and put way too few resources in living well as we get old. Yes, quality of life is a huge concern once you get 50+. Physically, mentally/emotionally, very few people are aware of the all encompassing issues of paying for a failing body, lower mobility, isolation and loneliness. In fact- one of the reasons why I love the book Forever War is how much it demonstrates the impact of time dilation in space travel and how lost the protag feels eventually. I imagine this is how it might feel as someone that lives to 100+ where all of his or her peers have gone the way of average mortals and they are left alone on the apex of life span in a sea of strangers in a strange land transformed by time.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 6, 2016 14:17:52 GMT
The aging thing is interesting. There is a real problems with our concept of living longer and that is though we as humans are doing a pretty good job of making ourselves live longer we have done a poor job and put way too few resources in living well as we get old. Yes, quality of life is a huge concern once you get 50+. Physically, mentally/emotionally, very few people are aware of the all encompassing issues of paying for a failing body, lower mobility, isolation and loneliness. In fact- one of the reasons why I love the book Forever War is how much it demonstrates the impact of time dilation in space travel and how lost the protag feels eventually. I imagine this is how it might feel as someone that lives to 100+ where all of his or her peers have gone the way of average mortals and they are left alone on the apex of life span in a sea of strangers in a strange land transformed by time. Above the failing body mobility and lonliness issues are mental issues such as demntia and alzheimers.
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 6, 2016 14:29:33 GMT
Yes, quality of life is a huge concern once you get 50+. Physically, mentally/emotionally, very few people are aware of the all encompassing issues of paying for a failing body, lower mobility, isolation and loneliness. In fact- one of the reasons why I love the book Forever War is how much it demonstrates the impact of time dilation in space travel and how lost the protag feels eventually. I imagine this is how it might feel as someone that lives to 100+ where all of his or her peers have gone the way of average mortals and they are left alone on the apex of life span in a sea of strangers in a strange land transformed by time. Above the failing body mobility and lonliness issues are mental issues such as demntia and alzheimers. I'm pretty sure I mentioned mental issues I know so many people via my family and our circle that are experiencing both. A couple of months ago my mother in law's best friend and husband visited her in Houston. I was at dinner with them and although I've spent the last 20 years visiting with this couple at least once or twice a year- the husband did not recognize me. It was so sad. I remember looking directly at him and trying to ask him some bland vanilla social questions and he gave me a blank stare and I realized suddenly that he just didn't even know who tf I am. Personally, if I ever get so deeply into alzheimers etc, that I do not recognize my own children as adults, think it's the wrong year (like my grandmother before she passed away), or my husband I would wish to be euthanized. I wouldn't want to drain my husband and children's resources and I would not want them to suffer through making decisions about my care when I am not even really me anymore.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 6, 2016 14:50:30 GMT
Both of my grandmothers lived into their 90's. My father's mother was horribly lonely after her sisters died. She said she had no friends left, no peers. She had plenty of children and grandchildren, but she missed her two sisters and felt forlorn.
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 6, 2016 16:27:15 GMT
Above the failing body mobility and lonliness issues are mental issues such as demntia and alzheimers. I'm pretty sure I mentioned mental issues I know so many people via my family and our circle that are experiencing both. A couple of months ago my mother in law's best friend and husband visited her in Houston. I was at dinner with them and although I've spent the last 20 years visiting with this couple at least once or twice a year- the husband did not recognize me. It was so sad. I remember looking directly at him and trying to ask him some bland vanilla social questions and he gave me a blank stare and I realized suddenly that he just didn't even know who tf I am. Personally, if I ever get so deeply into alzheimers etc, that I do not recognize my own children as adults, think it's the wrong year (like my grandmother before she passed away), or my husband I would wish to be euthanized. I wouldn't want to drain my husband and children's resources and I would not want them to suffer through making decisions about my care when I am not even really me anymore. I totally hear you. Unfortunately at that point you would be deemed not competent to make your own health choices, so you'd be better off choosing assisted suicide while you are still yourself rather than waiting. That also avoids the guilt your husband and children would feel if they had to be the ones deciding when to pull the plug on you (rather than you making the decision for yourself). If human euthanasia becomes widespread there will be many thorny issues to deal with such as "I made a directive when I was healthy that I wanted to be euthanized if I became incompetent, but now that I'm incompetent I may claim I no longer want that and now what?" One issue I see with living longer is that people can't make enough money by the time they reach retirement age to support themselves for the rest of their lives. If my working life is from 25 to 65 (40 years), how am I supposed to save enough to support myself and my chronic diseases from age 65 to 95 or beyond? And currently no one wants to hire 70 year olds. It would be great if we could add prime years to our lives so most people could continue working into their 70s and 80s if they wanted (or needed) to instead of just tacking time on to the end of our lives. I guess I'm going to have to learn to make things to sell on Etsy to supplement my meager savings and social security (if there is any at that point).
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 6, 2016 16:43:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure I mentioned mental issues I know so many people via my family and our circle that are experiencing both. A couple of months ago my mother in law's best friend and husband visited her in Houston. I was at dinner with them and although I've spent the last 20 years visiting with this couple at least once or twice a year- the husband did not recognize me. It was so sad. I remember looking directly at him and trying to ask him some bland vanilla social questions and he gave me a blank stare and I realized suddenly that he just didn't even know who tf I am. Personally, if I ever get so deeply into alzheimers etc, that I do not recognize my own children as adults, think it's the wrong year (like my grandmother before she passed away), or my husband I would wish to be euthanized. I wouldn't want to drain my husband and children's resources and I would not want them to suffer through making decisions about my care when I am not even really me anymore. I totally hear you. Unfortunately at that point you would be deemed not competent to make your own health choices, so you'd be better off choosing assisted suicide while you are still yourself rather than waiting. That also avoids the guilt your husband and children would feel if they had to be the ones deciding when to pull the plug on you (rather than you making the decision for yourself). If human euthanasia becomes widespread there will be many thorny issues to deal with such as "I made a directive when I was healthy that I wanted to be euthanized if I became incompetent, but now that I'm incompetent I may claim I no longer want that and now what?" One issue I see with living longer is that people can't make enough money by the time they reach retirement age to support themselves for the rest of their lives. If my working life is from 25 to 65 (40 years), how am I supposed to save enough to support myself and my chronic diseases from age 65 to 95 or beyond? And currently no one wants to hire 70 year olds. It would be great if we could add prime years to our lives so most people could continue working into their 70s and 80s if they wanted (or needed) to instead of just tacking time on to the end of our lives. I guess I'm going to have to learn to make things to sell on Etsy to supplement my meager savings and social security (if there is any at that point). I'm sure I can have a living will The issue of money and living longer is already happening in the US . I guess that's why they call us the sandwich generation because not only do I have to pay for my 4 children to go to college- but I will also have to ensure that my sole parent, my mother, is cared for. As for selling stuff on Etsy yes. I might also start penning some books. I'm already considering renovating my house to include another suite of rooms for my mother or getting a new, larger house.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 6, 2016 17:49:31 GMT
Naturally? Of course not, our bodies have limits, imperfect copies replacing even more imperfect copies in a infinite loop until death. Yet that said we have barely scratched the surface of actual implementation of cellular manipulation and augmentation. The Human Genome Project remains to my knowledge the last great leap before the drop off, now we study it for individual illnesses and cancers, we don't have coordinated efforts between nations on how to approach matter mortality. There have been dozens of proposed concepts that theoretically could increase lifespan well beyond what we would consider a natural limit. But the technology doesn't exist to take us there, and the tech doesn't exist because the research doesn't exist to prove or disprove concepts. And with all these rulings by the UN forbidding genetic engineering and all the ethical concerns of it, it will never happen until this political climate actually changes.
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Post by mrsanomaly on Oct 7, 2016 0:54:27 GMT
Naturally? Of course not, our bodies have limits, imperfect copies replacing even more imperfect copies in a infinite loop until death. Yet that said we have barely scratched the surface of actual implementation of cellular manipulation and augmentation. The Human Genome Project remains to my knowledge the last great leap before the drop off, now we study it for individual illnesses and cancers, we don't have coordinated efforts between nations on how to approach matter mortality. There have been dozens of proposed concepts that theoretically could increase lifespan well beyond what we would consider a natural limit. But the technology doesn't exist to take us there, and the tech doesn't exist because the research doesn't exist to prove or disprove concepts. And with all these rulings by the UN forbidding genetic engineering and all the ethical concerns of it, it will never happen until this political climate actually changes. I'm just saying that this is a natural boundary. I'm not debating that we couldn't augment our life span artificially- but what that will actually be remains to be seen.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 7, 2016 2:33:05 GMT
Relevant, for Hurricane Matthew: NOAA Hurricane Hunters.
One hell of a job, and I would love to sign up!
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 21, 2016 21:56:10 GMT
Well, this thread needs a bump.
So I'm going to post something very heavy. This is a long video, almost an hour, and it is not for everybody, technical and demanding, but it is hugely interesting. ...if you're kinda engineering and math oriented.
My signature is an inversion of Arthur C Clark's famous quote of how sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Me, I've read and enjoyed a lot of SF and Fantasy over the years, but one thing that has always annoyed me, is that all those authors and readers don't realize that there is no difference. If a "magician" could actually accomplish a desired effect, then it would mean that the "magic" he works/manipulates abides some laws, and adheres to some kind of predictable outcome. - And that, dear friends, is technology! So I think Clark missed the target somewhat, which is why I rephrased it. And this footnote is relevant because of that video. Enjoy.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 24, 2016 14:07:56 GMT
The 4th circle of hell? Dante had a cat level did he not?
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Oct 25, 2016 16:23:06 GMT
One hydrogen atom said to the other, "I think I've lost an electron!" The other atom responds, "Are you sure?" The first atom replies, "I'm positive!"
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Oct 25, 2016 16:33:04 GMT
My signature is an inversion of Arthur C Clark's famous quote of how sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Me, I've read and enjoyed a lot of SF and Fantasy over the years, but one thing that has always annoyed me, is that all those authors and readers don't realize that there is no difference. If a "magician" could actually accomplish a desired effect, then it would mean that the "magic" he works/manipulates abides some laws, and adheres to some kind of predictable outcome. - And that, dear friends, is technology! So I think Clark missed the target somewhat, which is why I rephrased it. And this footnote is relevant because of that video. Enjoy. Maybe the difference is that science would be quantifiable while magic would not? I guess it depends how you define magic - if your idea of magic is one in which it means manipulating "ether," "midichlorians," or other substances that don't exist IRL but do exist within these sorts of narratives, then yes, it's basically just made-up science. If it's one in which these events are purely supernatural, then I think there's a still a meaningful difference. We can use hydraulics, propulsion, fuel, and other technology to build an airplane, and to a human of the medieval era who doesn't understand those things, it would be magic, but the airplane is in fact explicable based on materials and physical laws that nevertheless exist and apply in the medieval human's world. In a fantasy narrative where a magician makes somebody disappear by saying "abracadabra," what is the explanation for that? It seems like most of the time, there isn't one - it works because, well, it just does.
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