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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 25, 2016 17:11:27 GMT
My signature is an inversion of Arthur C Clark's famous quote of how sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Me, I've read and enjoyed a lot of SF and Fantasy over the years, but one thing that has always annoyed me, is that all those authors and readers don't realize that there is no difference. If a "magician" could actually accomplish a desired effect, then it would mean that the "magic" he works/manipulates abides some laws, and adheres to some kind of predictable outcome. - And that, dear friends, is technology! So I think Clark missed the target somewhat, which is why I rephrased it. And this footnote is relevant because of that video. Enjoy. Maybe the difference is that science would be quantifiable while magic would not? I guess it depends how you define magic - if your idea of magic is one in which it means manipulating "ether," "midichlorians," or other substances that don't exist IRL but do exist within these sorts of narratives, then yes, it's basically just made-up science. If it's one in which these events are purely supernatural, then I think there's a still a meaningful difference. We can use hydraulics, propulsion, fuel, and other technology to build an airplane, and to a human of the medieval era who doesn't understand those things, it would be magic, but the airplane is in fact explicable based on materials and physical laws that nevertheless exist and apply in the medieval human's world. In a fantasy narrative where a magician makes somebody disappear by saying "abracadabra," what is the explanation for that? It seems like most of the time, there isn't one - it works because, well, it just does. That is the direction from which Arthur C Clark looked at it. There is no explanation because it's utterly beyond the observer. Consider a house with voice activated features. "abracadabra" and there is light, music, a fire, whatever. Bring a medieval person to it. But you don't have to use people from the medieval era. Just because people have learned to take technology for granted doesn't change it in any way from having learned to take magic for granted. Consider a smart phone. Few people can explain how that works. They think they can explain it: "It's a screen, a processor, radio waves"... But actually they can't. Their explanation doesn't add up to much more than "It's technology" == "It's magic". And they can't make one. Just as they can't make magic. The magician otoh, if he can do something that has an intentional and predictable consequence, then he does no other thing than applies some physical laws. It doesn't matter what you call it, "midichlorians", whatever, because, just as you said, it then has to belong to physics, even if it's made up physics. But it also doesn't matter if you don't call it something. Just as it doesn't matter if you don't try to explain it. It's just that it's beyond you. But cause and effect must be essential for the magician, or it wouldn't work when, if and as he wants. So the only difference is that you don't try to *explain* it. Very convenient.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Oct 30, 2016 16:05:31 GMT
For those of you who don't know it, our own (well, gamer, YouTuber,..) scientist Phil Mason made a pretty big scientific discovery some time ago. Here's the YouTube video of it:
This is going to have a few applications. Some of them kinda worrying.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 31, 2016 14:36:07 GMT
Scary food science for Hallowe'en.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 31, 2016 15:06:32 GMT
As a lover of cheese I am not about to click that youtube!
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Post by regack on Oct 31, 2016 15:17:28 GMT
As a lover of cheese I am not about to click that youtube! Should we have a discussion about cheese mites instead?
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 31, 2016 15:30:28 GMT
As a lover of cheese I am not about to click that youtube! Should we have a discussion about cheese mites instead? extra protein, I'm fine with that.
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Post by Nightman on Jan 2, 2017 15:21:58 GMT
Don't eat 1 week old lasagna. I know this for a fact cuz I tested it out for science.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2017 20:08:13 GMT
Better not be the stupid sprinty kind of zombie.
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Post by frosted on Jan 7, 2017 20:27:47 GMT
Just another days work... What a cool job.
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If I were there I'd worry about hogging all the beef jerky...
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jan 7, 2017 23:32:02 GMT
Jeez, I was looking for this thread for ages , and then it's on the first page , close to the top. No wonder I couldn't find it. Anyway, here's some rather long video for all those of you who've never heard of the Orion and Daedalus interstellar rocket projects, and some general orientation about the severity of the challenge.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 8, 2017 7:42:35 GMT
There is some weird tall stuff on the moon. There is more than these.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 8:56:55 GMT
Not mine, unfortunately they've all had to be surgically removed.
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