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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 7, 2019 14:33:54 GMT
Apologies if my decision to allow Team Evil to use Tali's ability during Reed's absence caused confusion, something I had not anticipated.
When a situation arises, like a player going AWOL after the game is already running, the GM has to make a judgement call on how to proceed if there is no precedent to be guided by. I could have simply stopped the game but it seemed a shame to do so when I thought the situation could be managed until the player returned. I have previously mention how I felt that simply removing the player would upset the balance and in any case it was possible that Reed might return, as he in fact did.
With regard to how roles operated, I made the judgement call that if a role was part of team evil, then they would always have made a collective decision when to use that ability, so there was no reason not to continue to allow the team to use it. This would, of course, not have been the case if the role was assigned to a hero as there would be no one to make that decision on their behalf. This is why I stated that hero Mordin could only have been someone who was there continually.
Strangely enough, had I not allowed Team evil to use the ability to save Owl, then it would still have been available for Reed to use to save Space, as he returned in time to do so. In that scenario, Space would have been able to use Mordin's device, which Catilina had inadvertently given to him the night before, to make a double elimination. So whilst Dragon would probably then have used her ability to eliminate Space overnight, two heroes would still have been lost and Dragon would not have effectively cleared OG, which might well have resulted in a victory for Team Evil. So whilst my decision muddied the waters a bit, ultimately it probably benefitted the heroes more than the spies.
Whilst on the subject of the rules. This is the first game where the new rule concerning EDI came into operation on Night 3. It struck me that it is a tad over-powered because as I understand the rule, if EDI elects to sacrifice herself one night and then no one is eliminated, due to say the person using a Mordin device, then EDI can carry over her ability to the following night and so on until someone is in fact eliminated. With most other abilities, you get one shot at using it and, with the exception of Javik interfering, that is it; you don't get a second chance. Whilst I realise that EDI sacrificing herself may not always benefit the heroes, as someone could be saved who needs to be eliminated overnight to activate their ability, it still seems to unduly favour the heroes when it comes to team evil trying to eliminate a key person. For example, this game Liara was protected the first night by Miranda, the second night by Grunt, and had she had a Mordin device to use or a good Kasumi was in play, then EDI could have carried over her sacrifice to the 4th night, making it virtually impossible to eliminate Liara. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
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Post by vella on Apr 7, 2019 14:42:42 GMT
I would like to join the next round! Sounds like a fun game
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 7, 2019 14:45:21 GMT
I'm happy to run another game, unless someone else wants to give it a go. Who else wants to play?
Players:
1. Vella 2. Basia 3. Romice 4. Catilina 5. Arcadia 6. Pelassarias 7. Fylimar 8. Owl 9. Space
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Post by basia on Apr 7, 2019 15:11:48 GMT
Whilst on the subject of the rules. This is the first game where the new rule concerning EDI came into operation on Night 3. It struck me that it is a tad over-powered because as I understand the rule, if EDI elects to sacrifice herself one night and then no one is eliminated, due to say the person using a Mordin device, then EDI can carry over her ability to the following night and so on until someone is in fact eliminated. With most other abilities, you get one shot at using it and, with the exception of Javik interfering, that is it; you don't get a second chance. Whilst I realise that EDI sacrificing herself may not always benefit the heroes, as someone could be saved who needs to be eliminated overnight to activate their ability, it still seems to unduly favour the heroes when it comes to team evil trying to eliminate a key person. For example, this game Liara was protected the first night by Miranda, the second night by Grunt, and had she had a Mordin device to use or a good Kasumi was in play, then EDI could have carried over her sacrifice to the 4th night, making it virtually impossible to eliminate Liara. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? As we all know I'm far from being an expert on this game, but I was under impression that EDI's ability being over-powerd was kind of a prize for surviving, because if she is indoctrinated she becomes an asset for Cerberus and if she survives she can help the heroes greatly. Of course as a reference I only have this last game, so my opinion might be a little biased since I was EDI . Oh and I would also like to sign up for the next game
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Post by romice on Apr 7, 2019 15:46:28 GMT
I'm in for the next one And yay we won
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Post by Catilina on Apr 7, 2019 16:01:45 GMT
Pfft, Mordin-me failed again, but the evil defeated!
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Of course, I'm game!
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 7, 2019 16:55:08 GMT
Ah. I assumed Reed was innocent, thinking the spies couldn't use his ability without him.
I'll play again.
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 7, 2019 17:03:00 GMT
Well, congrats to the Heroes for winning the game and figuring out who Tali truly was, and it turns out my first assumption that romice was Good Legion was correct after all, but part of the reason why some of us (well, me ) ruled reed out as Tali and Mordin was due to this quote It is also true that Mordin could not have handed out the devices unless the player was active in the game at the time. By stating this, it was under my assumption that the same thing applied to Tali and the rest of roles concerning someone who is AWOL, even if Evil. It just didn't really cross my mind that the situation of being AWOL could have been different for the Evil roles and team, although it is completely understandable why it would be. So I do understand the decision to let the Evil Team use reed's ability and I think it's completely fine considering the circumstance, but you do have to admit that this whole situation in general can prove to be a tad confusing for some of the Heroes, like me. While on the subject of EDI, I think this was just a bit of a balance issue in the game. What I mean by this is that I think the role of EDI is fine in itself as long as there are no more than two protective Hero roles in the game. In this game, there were three (Miranda, Grunt, Mordin) which pretty much made it difficult for the spies to get Liara with EDI also in game. I have to admit though, me protecting Arcadia during that night from Evil Space was actually a bit lucky on my part. I actually had no idea she was Liara, but figured she could be the next target considering she started the vote for Owl. Still, I'll regard this decision to protect Arcadia from Space as a highlight in my protective career so far. So good game everyone, and sign me up for the next game!
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Post by fylimar on Apr 7, 2019 17:13:08 GMT
OK, I said, I wouldn't play this month, because of the writing camp, but I miss the game, so sign me in. To quote dear old Jigsaw:'I want to play a game'
I might be a bit less active than normally due to said writing camp, some conventions and Easter holiday, but I promise to not go mia
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Post by Chenowl Blanc on Apr 7, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
Congrats heroes! You did a nice job working together! I felt a bit powerless tbh because what can you really do if you're outed during the first night? Ofc we tried to get rid of Liara right away but with all those protective roles in place, it kinda wasn't possible. ^^ And gerva, you really didn't have an easy job this time - thanks for all your efforts keep the game fair for all involved parties. I'm in for the next game.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 7, 2019 17:43:20 GMT
Well, judging from the last few pages from yesterday and today, it seems in my absence I somehow made the game pretty interesting. Hopefully it was still fun for you guys. And again, I apologize for being afk during a game I was supposed to play in.
Wasn't at home all day yesterday, I was hanging out with friends and went to see the shazam movie (pretty good btw). For the record, I would have voted for Cati if that makes a difference.
Definitely NOT signing up for the next game in order to avoid this. I'll probably be back at some point in the future.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 7, 2019 17:59:22 GMT
Ah. I assumed Reed was innocent, thinking the spies couldn't use his ability without him. Me too. Gervaise responded to me that Mordin would need to be present to use his ability (even though I was asking about Tali), so of course we thought the same would be true for Tali. We weren't making unreasonable assumptions, we were making decisions based on the GM's answer to the question. I'm glad romice was Legion. Good job Legion!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 7, 2019 18:09:49 GMT
Great game all, I'm in for another as well! For the AWOL case, should we have some sort of guideline that all players understand, for when it happens again? Simply say it is understood that if someone is AWOL, the GM may choose to use their ability? Something else? Great job Gervaise anyway! Great GM as always
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 7, 2019 19:35:15 GMT
I think absent players who have not used their ability should be treated as if they had never joined, to be honest. Why? Because an absent hero doesn't get the option of their allies strategically using their ability for them, and they have no one to defend them against accusations.
Just my opinion though. I do think that whatever is decided should apply to all roles. If spies can use evil Tali's ability in Tali's absence, then they should be able to use Mordin's as well.
I'm going to take a break this round. Tag me when you want me to change the first post. I'd be happy to lead the next round after that.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 7, 2019 20:02:18 GMT
I agree with Dragon. Absent players should be treated as if they were eliminated, as it just causes confusion.
I'm happy as a player to know that we have an obligation to the game, and the GM will only wait a certain amount of time before kicking us out. Real life can strike at any moment so this will probably happen again, having a rule will be useful.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 7, 2019 20:14:34 GMT
I'll give it another 24 hours in case OG or anyone else wants to sign up.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 7, 2019 23:27:23 GMT
I agree with Dragon. Absent players should be treated as if they were eliminated, as it just causes confusion. I'm happy as a player to know that we have an obligation to the game, and the GM will only wait a certain amount of time before kicking us out. Real life can strike at any moment so this will probably happen again, having a rule will be useful. I agree this is a better solution for the future. Avoids confusion.
Actually kinda why I voted for him on the first round. Owl and I hoped people wouldn't figure out we were voting together, which didn't work out so well, heh, but if he had been voted out, we would look like heroes for catching a spy.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 8, 2019 0:00:32 GMT
Count me in.
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Post by Moonae on Apr 8, 2019 4:15:58 GMT
My life hasn't entirely calmed down yet so I might not be super active but I'd like to come back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 8, 2019 7:45:34 GMT
Welcome back Moonae and new welcome to Vella. That means the list of players is currently:
Players:
1. Vella 2. Basia 3. Romice 4. Catilina 5. Arcadia 6. Pelassarias 7. Fylimar 8. Owl 9. Space 10.OG 11.Moonae 12.
There are still 11 hours to go but it's looking good for an interesting game that can use most of the roles available.
I've taken on board the comments about player absence. So going forward the rule will be that if we have no response from a player after everyone else has cast their vote, during the day rounds, or notified me of their intentions at night, I will PM them a reminder and then give them 48 hours to respond. If there is still no response then I will lock down the character so that we can proceed. From that point on they can neither vote or use their ability and they are effectively out of the game. However, I will not reveal whether the character was a hero or a villain, unless of course they are the last member of Cerberus, in which case the heroes will have won. I hope everyone is happy with this.
I would recommend that if you know you may be held up IRL but will want to return, then cast your vote, let me know your decision about your ability for the next night or let you fellow spies know you will not be contributing to their debate over the next cycle, so that keeps you in the game over your busy period. With such a large number of players this time round, I should imagine that there will be a fair bit of discussion during the days rounds which will mean each day round will take several days anyway, so that should allow you enough time to get back before the absence rule kicks in.
Also clarification about rules concerning character roles:
EDI will continue as written in the character descriptions on the first page of this post with no modifications.
When I give Liara the result of her investigation, I will simply tell her Cerberus or not Cerberus but not the actual role of the person. If she is eliminated overnight then she will not be given the result.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 8, 2019 10:09:47 GMT
I agree with Dragon. Absent players should be treated as if they were eliminated, as it just causes confusion. I'm happy as a player to know that we have an obligation to the game, and the GM will only wait a certain amount of time before kicking us out. Real life can strike at any moment so this will probably happen again, having a rule will be useful. I agree this is a better solution for the future. Avoids confusion.
Actually kinda why I voted for him on the first round. Owl and I hoped people wouldn't figure out we were voting together, which didn't work out so well, heh, but if he had been voted out, we would look like heroes for catching a spy. It would have worked beautifully if I hadn't thought 'Oh Chenowl Blanc is playing! I wonder which hero she is...I'll investigate her'
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 8, 2019 11:40:20 GMT
I agree this is a better solution for the future. Avoids confusion.
Actually kinda why I voted for him on the first round. Owl and I hoped people wouldn't figure out we were voting together, which didn't work out so well, heh, but if he had been voted out, we would look like heroes for catching a spy. It would have worked beautifully if I hadn't thought 'Oh Chenowl Blanc is playing! I wonder which hero she is...I'll investigate her' Curses! Foiled again!
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 8, 2019 12:36:34 GMT
When I give Liara the result of her investigation, I will simply tell her Cerberus or not Cerberus but not the actual role of the person. If she is eliminated overnight then she will not be given the result. Did Liara know the exact heroes before?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 8, 2019 13:28:39 GMT
Not with me but I am not sure about other GM's and I think it may be different on Skyhold. Anyway I thought it best to make sure everyone was aware before we start.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 8, 2019 13:51:31 GMT
Not with me but I am not sure about other GM's and I think it may be different on Skyhold. Anyway I thought it best to make sure everyone was aware before we start. Was just curious, I was only Liara once and I can't remember if I was told specific characters or not. Side note: Nice name Arcadia lol. Is this a reference to pokemon or something else?
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