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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 6, 2019 16:47:15 GMT
If I'm reading Dragon right she investigated OG and found them to be Miranda.....which makes Cati evil as Reed was gone most of the game?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2019 17:41:19 GMT
No. It's probably Reed then. Interesting... but I suppose not impossibile.
It already written, who am I.
So, if no more possibilities, then I should change my vote from OG to Reed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 6, 2019 18:10:50 GMT
Current voting:
Catilina 1 OG 1 Reed 1
Still to vote: Reed
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Post by romice on Apr 6, 2019 19:19:26 GMT
Alright, I might be getting what Cati is suggesting, even if it's vague. I also find it easier to understand that the other spies made use of Reed/Tali's ability than him being Mordin and using telepathy and sending those protection devices. So, I change my vote from OG to Reed and hope for the best
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 19:21:12 GMT
No. It's probably Reed then. Interesting... but I suppose not impossibile. It already written, who am I. Reed can't be Tali, assuming gervaise has been telling the truth, since gerv didn't know what had happened to Reed either. Where did you hint at your role? I legit missed it. Or did another player post that? romice who do you think Miranda was? ArcadiaGrey how certain were you of romice's innocence? I thought she was acting like an innocent player (in part because your role hint was so subtle that I didn't get it at first, but romice latched on immediately instead of pretending she didn't catch it), but it looks like she's evil Tali. I just can't explain why I think this without outright saying who Miranda is. Miranda, PLEASE confirm your identity. There is no benefit whatsoever for being secretive anymore. You used your ability long ago, and had you revealed yourself before, we could have narrowed our suspect list earlier instead of leaving you on it.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 19:23:30 GMT
Alright, I might be getting what Cati is suggesting, even if it's vague. I also find it easier to understand that the other spies made use of Reed/Tali's ability than him being Mordin and using telepathy and sending those protection devices. So, I change my vote from OG to Reed and hope for the best gervaise21, would you have allowed the other spies to use Reed's ability in his absence, were he a spy?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 6, 2019 19:44:46 GMT
I would refer you back to what I said earlier: At this point I feel I should remind the remaining players that people sometimes make assumptions that I can neither confirm nor deny. However, I have tried to provide clues in the narrative as we have gone along that should help if you think things through logically. The narrative made it clear that Mordin is one of the roles as anyone who has received a device would know. It is also true that Mordin could not have handed out the devices unless the player was active in the game at the time.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 20:01:03 GMT
I would refer you back to what I said earlier: At this point I feel I should remind the remaining players that people sometimes make assumptions that I can neither confirm nor deny. However, I have tried to provide clues in the narrative as we have gone along that should help if you think things through logically. The narrative made it clear that Mordin is one of the roles as anyone who has received a device would know. It is also true that Mordin could not have handed out the devices unless the player was active in the game at the time. I wasn't referring to Mordin, but I suppose you answered my question anyway.
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Post by romice on Apr 6, 2019 20:10:26 GMT
dragontartare, I thought that what you were saying about Miranda meant that OG is her. I get that you can't say it outright, so let's wait until OG or Reed claims the role. I re-re-re-read gervaise's narratives and still have no clue about anything Since I have only one vote change left, I'll wait for Reed and OG to make a move.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 6, 2019 20:23:15 GMT
I only suspected Romice's innocence Dragon, based on her voting patterns.
Mordin must not be Reed as he was using his ability early one, so if OG is Miranda, Cati is evil then Romice is Mordin?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2019 20:29:47 GMT
I only suspected Romice's innocence Dragon, based on her voting patterns. Mordin must not be Reed as he was using his ability early one, so if OG is Miranda, Cati is evil then Romice is Mordin? Then OG is Miranda, or I misunderstood you? Who is Romice?
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 20:30:46 GMT
I think I can explain my theory without saying who Miranda is. Let's give it a try. Here is one of romice's recent quotes for reference. Now, for the players: Romice - I know I haven't made it clear who I am, but it is with good reason. Also I did leave a subtle clue in a couple of my posts. I'm not Mordin, Miri or Tali. Reed - He hasn't been on the forum for most of the game, so he couldn't have acted during the rounds. Both Tali and Mordin were. Mordin gave out his protection and Tali protected owl. The established role that acted the earliest was Miranda. Reed could have used Miri's skill before going dark. Thus, I think Reed is Miranda. Cati - To me, he seems even quieter than usually, but that might be due to real live stuff. It might also mean being the spy. Or an important role. On d3 he voted for OG, together with Space. For me, it seems weird that both spies voted for the same person, while it was obvious that Space would be voted out. There is also the fact that Arcadia apparently wasn't given a protection token by Mordin. This probably means that Mordin didn't realise who she was until it was too late. Cati didn't seem to realise that. So, it seems to me that Cati is Mordin. We know we have 4 roles left: Mordin, Miranda, Tali, and unknown. Given that Mordin, Miranda, and Tali all acted while reed was away (and gervaise just indicated that only players who are present can use their abilities), that means reed MUST be the unknown role. There is no other possibility, since his role did not act. He could still be a spy if there is a 4th spy, but we know Tali is a spy, and reed isn't her. Romice gives guesses for Mordin and Miranda's identities, indicating that she is not Mordin or Miranda. She has also made a few other comments throughout the game that indicated she is not Mordin or Miranda. OG and cati are Mordin and Miranda (in no particular order there). Miranda is definitely a hero. Mordin could be the 4th spy if there is one, but we don't know that for sure. The only role we know is a spy is Tali. Romice has been claiming she is the unknown role, and we all fell for it. She is a very talented quarian spy.
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 6, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
The other person that did some action was Garrus. Now, we don't know whether he is good or bad just from the narrative. But my question is: if Garrus was good, why wouldn't he shoot Owl, since we are pretty much sure she is evil? My consensus is that we have a Tali-Garrus evil team, with Owl being Garrus and someone else being Tali. Thus, I vote for Owl. Based on this hint from romice awhile back, I assumed that she was Good Legion. But since it not possible for her to be Legion since reed has taken the spot for the unknown role, romice is probably Evil Tali. Either that or she is Mordin. She cannot be Miranda or the unknown role either way. In fact, I personally don't see the harm in romice, OG, and Cati outright hinting who they are just to figure things out and confirm who is Miranda and who could be the other two roles.
ETA: Quote wasn't working the first time. Hopefully this edit has fixed it.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 20:51:50 GMT
Based on this hint from romice awhile back, I assumed that she was Good Legion. But since it not possible for her to be Legion since reed has taken the spot for the unknown role, romice is probably Evil Tali.
Either that or she is Mordin. She cannot be Miranda or the unknown role either way. In fact, I personally don't see the harm in romice, OG, and Cati outright hinting who they are just to figure things out and confirm who is Miranda and who could be the other two roles.
The reason I think she isn't Mordin is because she took a guess as to who Mordin could be, AND has been hinting at being someone unknown. She's done a superb job tricking us all, but she said a bit too much. That said, if heroes see holes in my theory, please point them out. And I agree that it would be best for the heroes to reveal themselves at this point, especially Mordin and Miranda. The only person I could see maybe keeping quiet at this point is reed if he is Wrex or Legion. Edit: I also want to point out that romice said she thinks reed is Miranda, even though she knows I investigated Miranda and never gave any indication that I suspected reed. Also, before reed's reappearance, his last day on the forum was March 12th, several days before the game even began. There is no way he is Miranda, Mordin, or Tali. Edit again: Even if the "last on the forum" section of a user's profile isn't accurate (is it?), gervaise didn't seem to know what had happened to reed either. Go back and read Day 1, and see if you agree. Edit AGAIN: Reed also said, upon his return, that he forgot he'd signed up for another game. If he'd already acted as Miranda, then how could he forget he'd signed up for another game? Let's see if I'm done editing now. Yeesh.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2019 21:04:01 GMT
Okay, I think, I have one more chance to change...
I committed mistakes in the game already, so I don't want to commit more... (It absolutely fits my role...)
Romice was clever, but I now change from Reed to Romice.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 6, 2019 21:47:46 GMT
But....didn't Mordin save me early on?
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Post by basia on Apr 6, 2019 22:03:49 GMT
Edit: I also want to point out that romice said she thinks reed is Miranda, even though she knows I investigated Miranda and never gave any indication that I suspected reed. Also, before reed's reappearance, his last day on the forum was March 12th, several days before the game even began. There is no way he is Miranda, Mordin, or Tali. Edit again: Even if the "last on the forum" section of a user's profile isn't accurate (is it?), gervaise didn't seem to know what had happened to reed either. Go back and read Day 1, and see if you agree. Edit AGAIN: Reed also said, upon his return, that he forgot he'd signed up for another game. If he'd already acted as Miranda, then how could he forget he'd signed up for another game? Let's see if I'm done editing now. Yeesh. But Romi changed her mind since she wrote that she thought that Reed was Miranda, didn't she? She stated that she didn't get the narrative at first (I would put the quote here, but I have no idea how to quote more than one post ). She wouldn't change her vote from OG to Reed if she really thought that. As for Reed forgeting that he signed up for the game- personally, I think it would be easier to forget about signing up after using your ability, since you then have one less thing to think about. Still, now this is irrelevant since Reed isn't Miranda. Edit: After Arcadia's explanation I'm trying to include Romi's quote: Now, I'm not sure I understand what happened during the night. Did the spies get double elimination and that's how Dragon/Jack died? Is evil Tali the only bad guy left, or is Miri also bad? Edit 2: Whoa! It worked! Thanks again, Arcadia
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 6, 2019 22:11:46 GMT
But Romi changed her mind since she wrote that she thought that Reed was Miranda, didn't she? She stated that she didn't get the narrative at first (I would put the quote here, but I have no idea how to quote more than one post ). Click the cog wheel on the upper right, next to the quote button. Click 'select post' and do so for all but the final post you want to quote. Then click 'quote' as normal on the last one, and all quotes will appear at once in the reply box. For smaller sections - On pc you can select text with the mouse and a 'quick quote' button will appear near the cursor. You can click it and the selected section appears in the reply window, as will any more you make.
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Post by basia on Apr 6, 2019 22:15:51 GMT
But Romi changed her mind since she wrote that she thought that Reed was Miranda, didn't she? She stated that she didn't get the narrative at first (I would put the quote here, but I have no idea how to quote more than one post ). Click the cog wheel on the upper right, next to the quote button. Click 'select post' and do so for all but the final post you want to quote. Then click 'quote' as normal on the last one, and all quotes will appear at once in the reply box. For smaller sections - On pc you can select text with the mouse and a 'quick quote' button will appear near the cursor. You can click it and the selected section appears in the reply window, as will any more you make. Woooow! Thank you
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2019 22:22:49 GMT
But....didn't Mordin save me early on? Sorry, not.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 6, 2019 22:32:39 GMT
But....didn't Mordin save me early on? Miranda saved you at first, didn't she? You would know if you got a protection or not, of course. --------------- Let's run through the options, keeping in mind that I know who Miranda is, but cannot outright say who, and also remembering that gervaise stated a player must be present to use their ability. Miranda - could be OG or cati, based on who I said I suspected before my investigation. Cannot be reed or romice, since I did not suspect them before and therefore could not have investigated them. Tali - could technically by OG or cati (whichever is not Miranda), or romice. Cannot be reed, since Tali acted during his absence. Mordin - could be OG or cati, since romice has stated that she isn't Mordin. Cannot be reed, since Mordin acted during his absence. Cati has hinted at this role with the "alot of mistakes" comment. Unknown 4th role - could be anyone, but this is the only possible role for reed, so reed must be this role. So we've got, based on hints and process of elimination: Unknown = reed Mordin = cati Miranda = OG (since cati was the only other choice, and he's claiming Mordin) Evil Tali = romice...the only role left for her
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 7, 2019 0:00:11 GMT
*sigh* very well. I've been quiet because I was busy with something in rl, then I decided being quiet was a needed change Thirdly, being quiet means I don't have to shake the booty.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 7, 2019 7:58:59 GMT
Okay, it seems that however hard I try to clarify without actually categorically stating the situation with Tali, since as I have previously stated people have been making assumptions that it was difficult for me to challenge without immediately making them jump to the opposite conclusion, people are continuing to base their decision making on an erroneous assumption. I will explain my thinking once the game is over but for the present I will simply state the following:
TALI COULD BE ANY OF THE PLAYERS STILL ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THE GAME. NO PERSON SHOULD BE RULED IN OR OUT ON THE BASIS OF THEIR PRESENCE OR ABSENCE EARLIER IN THE GAME. LIKEWISE ANY PLAYER COULD BE THE LAST REMAINING CERBERUS SPY.
Please do not automatically assume this implies guilt or innocence to a particular player, merely that everyone should be treated equally when it comes to deciding your vote.
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Post by romice on Apr 7, 2019 8:38:59 GMT
Well, Gerva just basically confirmed what I suspected.
Cati all but said he's Mordin and his story checks out, with him not realising Arcadia is Liara and not giving her protection.
OG just hinted Miri, which is what I understood from Dragon's post about not voting for him.
Reed is evil Tali, even if it seems impossible.
And I'm the secret role, as much as you are trying to deny it. And we can eliminate Reed through voting, come up with why Cati or OG is lying (which I highly doubt), or we can eliminate Reed my way, Shepard Commander.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 7, 2019 14:00:10 GMT
When Shepard returned to his apartment, Legion was waiting for him.
"Shepard Commander, our consensus has determined that Creator Tali was responsible for maintaining the Cerberus presence in our ranks after the arrest of the other two units. Our recommendation is that you should intercept at once."
"Thank you, Legion, I'll see to it."The eliminated player was Reed - Cerberus agent Tali.
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