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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 20:14:28 GMT
Either way, heroes win at max by tomorrow. May be I think it would be less messy settling it today. I have pointed out that if we are correct and the last remaining role is Legion, then the genuine person can quite easily activate their skill and take out the false one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 20:18:01 GMT
I'd also point out that technically we also need to have Nvanfleet's vote, except he seems to have gone off grid. I hope nothing bad has happened IRL.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 30, 2017 20:19:09 GMT
I think I've been pretty clear about my role. Almost as clear as Obsidian Gryphon being the spy. Of course I was wrong about Serza, but I can't always be right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 20:27:47 GMT
Either way, heroes win at max by tomorrow. May be I think it would be less messy settling it today. I have pointed out that if we are correct and the last remaining role is Legion, then the genuine person can quite easily activate their skill and take out the false one. And you hope to do so by voting off a role that has the ability to prove their innocence? No erroneous logic here. I'm the only one doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 20:34:38 GMT
If according to your logic there are two Legion claims, then why are you not deciding between them and considering going after an unchallenged claim? More so, leaving it to one of the two main suspects to decide for you. Why are you being so aggressive? I have my reasons for acting the way I am. Let's just leave it at that shall we? At present the only person who has cause to be shirty with me is OG seeing as he currently has the most votes. This game is based on building assumptions based on information you do have and modifying them when other players present their part of the picture. I do not like being chastised for making mistakes as everyone makes them in this game, but hey no reason for me to be displeased since everyone loves being called dumb. I'm just picky that way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 20:46:33 GMT
If you read the narrative it is quite clear that the target of indoctrination was not EDI. That little drama was unfolding totally separate from what Garrus was doing. So Agent attempted indoctrination, the target felt the attempt and successfully resisted it, either with or without help of another (seeing as Witch could apply to either of the two people that the Agent was likely to want to indoctrinate). Then Garrus shot at the suspicious character on the ledge but misfired and hit EDI by mistake. Even without knowing in advance that a certain person had activated their skill, it is clear that is what happened. Don't know what you mean about bringing back corpses twice? How can Garrus aim at one person and kill another? Unless I'm missing something in the role description, it seems straight forward. Garrus gives a name to the game master during the night and that person gets shot. How can Garrus say kill gerva and then romice gets shot out of the blue? Unless the narrative meant that this is what Garrus was thinking that's he's killing a spy, but his assumption was wrong and he shot someone else. Are there some sort of additional rules/special abilities for characters not included in the description? Shoot AND miss? Don't know what you mean about bringing back corpses twice?
If he gets attacked by both a spy and gets shot by Garrus it would be double death. But, it seems romice wasn't the double target, so it doesn't apply. target felt the attempt and successfully resisted it, either with or without help of another (seeing as Witch could apply to either of the two people that the Agent was likely to want to indoctrinate
We must be reading two different role lists. It doesn't say on the roles list that some role can resist indoctrination on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 21:04:00 GMT
It's great that adonniel has hinted at a role, but I would like to point out that it's also not confirmed so it's still possible that this player could be an agent. Also since OG has hinted at a confirmed role that no one has counter-hinted, I'm plannning on retracting my vote to either luke or adonniel. Haven't decided yet. If someone is claiming your role, then wouldn't it make more sense shooting them than someone who isn't and can prove entirely that they aren't evil.
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 30, 2017 21:15:49 GMT
Well, I figured that Garrus told the gamemaster that they wanted to shoot romice either because they thought they were an agent or wanted to get rid of a role that could help the agent. Or they figured both were possible and thought shooting romice was the player that was the safest bet. I also assumed dragontartare wrote that garrus almost shot the agent for entertaining/dramatic reasons Also, it doesn't seem me that there are two players that are claiming the same role, especially after luke's last post. So, I still need to mull this over some more!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 21:18:25 GMT
Well, I figured that Garrus told the gamemaster that they wanted to shoot romice either because they thought they were an agent or wanted to get rid of a role that could help the agent. Or they figured both were possible and thought shooting romice was the player that was the safest bet. I also assumed dragontartare wrote that garrus almost shot the agent for entertaining/dramatic reasons Also, it doesn't seem me that there are two players that are claiming the same role, especially after luke's last post. So, I still need to mull this over some more! Well, it seems this round is going to be decided by one person regardless, so I'll just withhold any more of my obviously dumb assumptions.
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 30, 2017 21:20:58 GMT
It's great that adonniel has hinted at a role, but I would like to point out that it's also not confirmed so it's still possible that this player could be an agent. Also since OG has hinted at a confirmed role that no one has counter-hinted, I'm plannning on retracting my vote to either luke or adonniel. Haven't decided yet. My role is easy to prove since it can be activated any night. Okay, good point. I'll retract my vote from Obsidian Gryphon and vote for luketrevelyan then and see what happens.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 22:22:32 GMT
Garrus gives a name to the game master during the night and that person gets shot. How can Garrus say kill gerva and then romice gets shot out of the blue? Yes, Garrus gives the name Romice to the Gamemaster but the Gamemaster can write the narrative as though he mistakenly hit EDI because of course Romice was not a spy. What I was pointing out was that the indoctrination attempt was separate to this. The Agent was not attempting to indoctrinate EDI. so I'll just withhold any more of my obviously dumb assumptions You have over reacted to a general comment I was making in order to explain why I might have suspicions of you as a spy. As Romice will confirm from when we were spies, it was a strategy that Romice should play up being somewhat innocent and new to the game in order to divert suspicion from her. It is a strategy that you might have been using yourself. Why do you take it as such a personal slur when it was made as part of the game?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 22:49:35 GMT
so I'll just withhold any more of my obviously dumb assumptions You have over reacted to a general comment I was making in order to explain why I might have suspicions of you as a spy. As Romice will confirm from when we were spies, it was a strategy that Romice should play up being somewhat innocent and new to the game in order to divert suspicion from her. It is a strategy that you might have been using yourself. Why do you take it as such a personal slur when it was made as part of the game? There is a huge difference between saying, 'I think you are using your newbie status to hide being a spy' and 'you're making a lot of erroneous assumptions.' The polite way of saying it would have been: I believe you are either trying to mislead us or trying to pry information about the roles by faking the lack of knowledge. NOT 'you're wrong about everything all the time.' That comes off as you informing the player, 'you're either dumb or a spy trying to confuse us.' along with your suspicions regarding their role. If you do not agree with the way someone interprets something, you can always quote them and explain why you think the events happened in a different way. What is the point instead of an explanation in getting all mysterious and saying 'I know something you do not' or telling them that they're making erroneous assumptions all the time? To let them know they suck?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 23:02:42 GMT
So apparently Luke is claiming to be Garrus and not Legion. So it does appear to be a choice between Luke and OG as to which is telling the truth. Or do you still think I should vote for Pelassarias, Adonniel?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 23:11:34 GMT
The polite way of saying it would have been: I believe you are either trying to mislead us or trying to pry information about the roles by faking the lack of knowledge. NOT 'you're wrong about everything all the time.' That comes off as you informing the player, 'you're either dumb or a spy trying to confuse us.' along with your suspicions regarding their role. I never said this. I have been nothing but helpful towards you and then you take one comment and blow it out of all proportion and it seems to me you did so because I had the gall to suggest you might be a spy, which was a perfectly legitimate suspicion to have. I think I will just back off now and leave things as they are. Then it can play out as you wish it to.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 30, 2017 23:14:01 GMT
My role is easy to prove since it can be activated any night. Okay, good point. I'll retract my vote from Obsidian Gryphon and vote for luketrevelyan then and see what happens. You had it right at Obsidian Gryphon.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 30, 2017 23:15:57 GMT
So apparently Luke is claiming to be Garrus and not Legion. So it does appear to be a choice between Luke and OG as to which is telling the truth. Or do you still think I should vote for Pelassarias, Adonniel? Any vote that isn't for OG is the wrong choice.
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 30, 2017 23:29:12 GMT
Well, I figured that Garrus told the gamemaster that they wanted to shoot romice either because they thought they were an agent or wanted to get rid of a role that could help the agent. Or they figured both were possible and thought shooting romice was the player that was the safest bet. I also assumed dragontartare wrote that garrus almost shot the agent for entertaining/dramatic reasons Also, it doesn't seem me that there are two players that are claiming the same role, especially after luke's last post. So, I still need to mull this over some more! Well, it seems this round is going to be decided by one person regardless, so I'll just withhold any more of my obviously dumb assumptions. Given the fact that you have never played mass effect before, I think you have been playing really well. And honestly if I were in your shoes I would have probably given up on trying to figure anything out a long time ago. I can definitely see how the narrative could have been confusing for someone who doesn't know about mass effect or the characters, so I hope you don't feel bad for asking legitimate questions about garrus's role/ the narrative. As for luke's hints. I was leaning towards this player being possibly Allers, but I can now see how he could be counter hinting towards Garrus. I'm still going to maintain my vote and see how this all unfolds. Either way, it seems like the Normandy crew got this in the bag.
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Post by Serza on Nov 30, 2017 23:30:05 GMT
Wrex says why not crush both.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 30, 2017 23:53:29 GMT
The polite way of saying it would have been: I believe you are either trying to mislead us or trying to pry information about the roles by faking the lack of knowledge. NOT 'you're wrong about everything all the time.' That comes off as you informing the player, 'you're either dumb or a spy trying to confuse us.' along with your suspicions regarding their role. I never said this. I have been nothing but helpful towards you and then you take one comment and blow it out of all proportion and it seems to me you did so because I had the gall to suggest you might be a spy, which was a perfectly legitimate suspicion to have. I think I will just back off now and leave things as they are. Then it can play out as you wish it to. I believe the sticking point is when you appeared to chastise adonniel for making "erroneous assumptions" instead of explaining the hints right away (you did eventually explain them). Whether she is the spy or not, errors are to be expected. She isn't new to Mass Effect like romice, she hasn't actually played the games at all. I thought her role clue was spot on, for someone who has never met the character she's pretending to be (whether that is her true role or not).
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 1, 2017 0:02:58 GMT
So apparently Luke is claiming to be Garrus and not Legion. So it does appear to be a choice between Luke and OG as to which is telling the truth. Or do you still think I should vote for Pelassarias, Adonniel? Any vote that isn't for OG is the wrong choice. I'm hard to kill, anyone should know that.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 1, 2017 0:05:10 GMT
Any vote that isn't for OG is the wrong choice. I'm hard to kill, anyone should know that. That's irrelevant to my vote.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 1, 2017 0:09:56 GMT
I'm hard to kill, anyone should know that. That's irrelevant to my vote. Over the years I've grown used to smell of dead bodies... that's probably a bad sign but one more wouldn't make any difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 0:29:24 GMT
The polite way of saying it would have been: I believe you are either trying to mislead us or trying to pry information about the roles by faking the lack of knowledge. NOT 'you're wrong about everything all the time.' That comes off as you informing the player, 'you're either dumb or a spy trying to confuse us.' along with your suspicions regarding their role. I never said this. I have been nothing but helpful towards you and then you take one comment and blow it out of all proportion and it seems to me you did so because I had the gall to suggest you might be a spy, which was a perfectly legitimate suspicion to have. I think I will just back off now and leave things as they are. Then it can play out as you wish it to. You have explained your clues after telling me off. Save your patronizing tone. Nobody likes being told out of the blue, "you're making a lot of erroneous assumptions" whatever the context. That quote came off as really rude and negative.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 0:59:16 GMT
Hmm Points of contention #1 Luke/Pela and #2 Luke/Obsidian Common denominator: Luke Tempted to change to Obsidian. I'd be scared to contend Legion's role as a spy considering they can flatten me with a flick of the fingers. Garrus who can't shoot anymore is a way safer choice, so that's where the spy is hiding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 1:02:55 GMT
I never said this. I have been nothing but helpful towards you and then you take one comment and blow it out of all proportion and it seems to me you did so because I had the gall to suggest you might be a spy, which was a perfectly legitimate suspicion to have. I think I will just back off now and leave things as they are. Then it can play out as you wish it to. I believe the sticking point is when you appeared to chastise adonniel for making "erroneous assumptions" instead of explaining the hints right away (you did eventually explain them). Whether she is the spy or not, errors are to be expected. She isn't new to Mass Effect like romice, she hasn't actually played the games at all. I thought her role clue was spot on, for someone who has never met the character she's pretending to be (whether that is her true role or not). I'll make an effort to try it out eventually. This character sounds like he has a broom in his private space. I was tempted to make it all funny with what I think his personality is, but being really confused about who is what has sort of foiled it since it doesn't exactly scream superior.
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