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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 1, 2017 1:16:18 GMT
Hmm Points of contention #1 Luke/Pela and #2 Luke/Obsidian Common denominator: Luke Tempted to change to Obsidian. I'd be scared to contend Legion's role as a spy considering they can flatten me with a flick of the fingers. Garrus who can't shoot anymore is a way safer choice, so that's where the spy is hiding. I have reasons for voting for OG but it is not because of a role claim.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 1:25:38 GMT
Hmm Points of contention #1 Luke/Pela and #2 Luke/Obsidian Common denominator: Luke Tempted to change to Obsidian. I'd be scared to contend Legion's role as a spy considering they can flatten me with a flick of the fingers. Garrus who can't shoot anymore is a way safer choice, so that's where the spy is hiding. I have reasons for voting for OG but it is not because of a role claim. So, you are Diana? Doesn't say that Diana is always provided an inno target... mhm... Then again if you can't vote anyone else but chosen person then it can really kick the good side when gasp three people are left and you have to vote good side due to random target... and we don't know if we have Diana or Legion... If we do have Legion he sure isn't in a hurry to use their skill. You guys confuuuse meeee to no end. In any case, I prefer to kill Legion or Diana than Garrus claim because they are floating roles, then there will be zero option for the baddie to hide behind the next day since that last spot is my role. If you are Dia, then Obsidian is Garrus and Pela is spy. If you are Garrus, then Obsidian is a spy.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 1, 2017 1:59:22 GMT
I also assumed dragontartare wrote that garrus almost shot the agent for entertaining/dramatic reasons That is correct I needed a reason for Garrus to shoot a friend/ally, so I went with "gun needs callibrating." adonniel , the joke there is that in ME2, every time you talk to Garrus but haven't done the appropriate mission to trigger new dialogue, he says, "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some callibrations." And its really, really annoying, especially when you're trying to romance him. Edit: Also in ME3, Garrus says something like, "I'm hard to kill, you know that." .... I'm going to go count up votes now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 2:11:24 GMT
I also assumed dragontartare wrote that garrus almost shot the agent for entertaining/dramatic reasons That is correct I needed a reason for Garrus to shoot a friend/ally, so I went with "gun needs callibrating." adonniel , the joke there is that in ME2, every time you talk to Garrus but haven't done the appropriate mission to trigger new dialogue, he says, "Can it wait for a bit? I 'm in the middle of some callibrations." And its really, really annoying, especially when you're trying to romance him. Edit: Also in ME3, Garrus says something like, "I'm hard to kill, you know that." .... I'm going to go count up votes now. pfff The audacity... How can that be more fun than letting Sheppard calibrate his gun. //shot
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 1, 2017 2:22:12 GMT
I have no idea why this game is still going on. I assure the council I acted alone. There are no other Cerberus agents on the citadel. For proof, just gaze into this small alien device for a few minutes. All will become clear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 2:33:21 GMT
I have no idea why this game is still going on. I assure the council I acted alone. There are no other Cerberus agents on the citadel. For proof, just gaze into this small alien device for a few minutes. All will become clear. Sudden plot twist: none of the remaining players are spies. The Dragon Game Master is having a secret laugh at us.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 1, 2017 2:40:48 GMT
We must be reading two different role lists. It doesn't say on the roles list that some role can resist indoctrination on their own. That's my fault. I didn't specify whether the saving role could save themselves if they happened to pick the right night to use their power, so when the situation actually came up, I let them save themselves. Then again if you can't vote anyone else but chosen person then it can really kick the good side when gasp three people are left and you have to vote good side due to random target... and we don't know if we have Diana or Legion... The Diana role can only vote for the player randomly assigned to them the previous night, even if they believe the person to be innocent. pfff The audacity... How can that be more fun than letting Sheppard calibrate his gun. //shot YES. You understand! Votes so farObsidian Gryphon: 2 luketrevelyan: 1 Still to voteObsidian Gryphon nvanfleet adonniel I feel like I might have missed a vote...poke me if that's true.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 1, 2017 2:42:41 GMT
I have no idea why this game is still going on. I assure the council I acted alone. There are no other Cerberus agents on the citadel. For proof, just gaze into this small alien device for a few minutes. All will become clear. Sudden plot twist: none of the remaining players are spies. The Dragon Game Master is having a secret laugh at us. Once when I was playing Werewolf at a party, the GM actually did this. Another trick of his was making everyone the werewolf. That trick doesn't last very long, but was still good for a laugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 2:51:29 GMT
//poke hence I voted Luke In any case, it's my plan to attempt to vote off all floating role claims in this scenario since there is only one left to hide behind. Each night Diana is assigned a new person, correct? Ah, so the villains have behaved after all as was my initial assumption in pm before I got confused what Garrus miss-shot. Thanks for clarifying the roles.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 1, 2017 2:53:26 GMT
Since someone wishes to present themselves as a target. My vote goes to luketrevelyan
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 1, 2017 3:02:17 GMT
Each night Diana is assigned a new person, correct? Each night, a player is randomly assigned to Diana. I suppose it's possible that the same player could be assigned twice, in theory. But a new random number is rolled each night, yes. Votes so farObsidian Gryphon: 2 luketrevelyan: 3 Still to votenvanfleet I'll definitely go back and recount, though. I'll give the round at least another 24 hours, in hopes that nvan will show up, and to give people a chance to keep debating if you wish.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:03:56 GMT
I have no idea why this game is still going on. I assure the council I acted alone. There are no other Cerberus agents on the citadel. For proof, just gaze into this small alien device for a few minutes. All will become clear. A reaction supposedly befitting of my character.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 1, 2017 3:08:04 GMT
Why would I lead the vote for Serza as a Cerberus agent the first day knowing the ability could take me down as well? That seems unnecessarily risky on day 1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:22:59 GMT
Why would I lead the vote for Serza as a Cerberus agent the first day knowing the ability could take me down as well? That seems unnecessarily risky on day 1. Actually, people tend to be more suspicious of those bandwagoning than those starting bandwagons. Plus, when you voted you didn't know who any of the players were due to it being day 1. Afterwards, other players arguing with Serza must have seemed more tempting targets for her to take down. In any case if you are Diana and was obligated to vote Serza, then this would just mean that Pela is evil. I'm keeping the vote on you since eliminating you would prove either Obsidian or Pela to be evil - providing you aren't evil yourself. If you are a spy then we win. You could be Legion, in this case you can defend yourself and you aren't in danger. You could be Diana, this validates Obsidian's claim as Garrus and makes Pela evil. You could be Garrus, this proves Obsidian as evil. Knowing your role will either win the game or offer a clear suspect tomorrow. If we vote Pela off and she isn't evil, then we'll still be confused if it's you or Obsidian. If we vote Obsidian off and she isn't evil, then we'll still be confused if it's Pela or you being that extra floating role. If we guess wrong between either of these 50/50 the good side might lose due to the severe lashback for activating my skill. So, I'm not leaving it to 50/50 tomorrow for sure.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 1, 2017 3:44:39 GMT
I have no idea why this game is still going on. I assure the council I acted alone. There are no other Cerberus agents on the citadel. For proof, just gaze into this small alien device for a few minutes. All will become clear. *shoots device*
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 1, 2017 4:09:30 GMT
Since someone wishes to present themselves as a target. My vote goes to luketrevelyanI can't persuade you to vote for yourself but that doesn't mean you need to vote for me.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 1, 2017 4:25:58 GMT
Why would I lead the vote for Serza as a Cerberus agent the first day knowing the ability could take me down as well? That seems unnecessarily risky on day 1. Actually, people tend to be more suspicious of those bandwagoning than those starting bandwagons. Plus, when you voted you didn't know who any of the players were due to it being day 1. Afterwards, other players arguing with Serza must have seemed more tempting targets for her to take down. In any case if you are Diana and was obligated to vote Serza, then this would just mean that Pela is evil. I'm keeping the vote on you since eliminating you would prove either Obsidian or Pela to be evil - providing you aren't evil yourself. If you are a spy then we win. You could be Legion, in this case you can defend yourself and you aren't in danger. You could be Diana, this validates Obsidian's claim as Garrus and makes Pela evil. You could be Garrus, this proves Obsidian as evil. Knowing your role will either win the game or offer a clear suspect tomorrow. If we vote Pela off and she isn't evil, then we'll still be confused if it's you or Obsidian. If we vote Obsidian off and she isn't evil, then we'll still be confused if it's Pela or you being that extra floating role. If we guess wrong between either of these 50/50 the good side might lose due to the severe lashback for activating my skill. So, I'm not leaving it to 50/50 tomorrow for sure. I could just use my ability already to sway the vote to Obsidian Gryphon if I'm Legion. I have the most votes so would have nothing to lose.
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Post by Serza on Dec 1, 2017 7:59:49 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 1, 2017 9:33:05 GMT
Okay, I've had time to sleep on it. I don't think Luke is a spy. It would seem that your first assumption was correct Adonniel and Luke is in fact Diana Allers. This would account for why he couldn't change his vote from Serza even with the threat of being attacked and why he can't change his vote from OG even in the face of imminent elimination. Assuming that OG is genuine that leaves just one genuine crew member left to account for.
So the spy is either Pelassaris faking Legion or Adonniel faking Javik. Assuming of course I am right about Luke then both are voting for someone genuine. If I am wrong about Pelassarias then I assume Legion will not deliberately take a genuine crew member just to spite them for voting the way they did. So I change my vote from Obsidian Gryphon to Pelassarias.
Please note it is impossible for us to vote off the genuine Legion as they will simply activate their ability to sway the vote to someone else. However, the false Legion would simply be revealed as a spy.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 1, 2017 19:21:09 GMT
I get why it might seem the most reasonable to put me on the chopping block. But, I still think it's probable that luke could be an agent. The reasons why he stayed with Serza could be because he's Diana and he didn't have a choice. Or it could also be that he simply thought Serza had a higher chance of taking out two innocents instead of him and his accomplice. He could have been willing to gamble. The reason why he's still voting for OG could also be a ploy. He could be doubling down on being Allers or possibly Garrus. There still is a room of doubt even in his voting record and behavior. Although I get why it seems the most reasonable to vote me off. It's impossible to vote me off and such. But think about it. Why would you vote me, I mean us off? We have the sickest dance moves out of the other two suspects and we are willing to test this theory out. Our "flashlight" and field of vision is a lot more efficient than organic eyes and their field of vision. If we had the same ability as the scarred turian, our sniper rifle wouldn't have needed calibrating and we would have easily taken the other agent off. If we were romanceable, we wouldn't have ignored Shepard-Commander for said calibrating. Lastly, if you played through the third installment, there's a high chance we brought out an emotional reaction towards you all. So before the rest of you make a consensus, I urge you to to think about our rebuttal and make the right decision.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 1, 2017 21:01:58 GMT
Please don't take it personally. It is because you make a good case for being the genuine Legion that I feel this is my only option. At present there are more votes for Luke than for you anyway. However, should that change then you can save yourself. The other people do not have that option. So if I have made the wrong choice it will not impact badly on the team as you can rectify my mistake.
I still have suspicions about other people based on how they voted in the previous round but it is at least possible to explain why Luke has acted as he did based off his character description, if he is Diana Allers. Otherwise, of course, he is trapped in the role even as a spy and cannot change his vote. He made it clear he is not voting for OG because of the role he is claiming. So that would suggest that even Luke thinks OG is genuine. Of course a spy would know this as well. Still I am giving Luke the benefit of the doubt.
OG is claiming a fixed role. No one is disputing that claim so it would seem that OG is genuine as Garrus.
I still have suspicions about Adonniel but if neither of you are voted off then Adonniel can prove her claim by boring you into submission during the night. If one of us ends up indoctrinated then that will prove that Adonniel is the spy, assuming that Luke has already been voted off and proven genuine. If Adonniel ends up indoctrinated then it will prove her innocence as well.
I stand by my vote but essentially it is out of my hands now. Obviously you can't vote for yourself so it is down to the others what they do. If they stand by their votes then Luke will be voted off. Unless, of course, you have a change of heart about him and use your special ability.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 1, 2017 21:37:56 GMT
Please don't take it personally. It is because you make a good case for being the genuine Legion that I feel this is my only option. At present there are more votes for Luke than for you anyway. However, should that change then you can save yourself. The other people do not have that option. So if I have made the wrong choice it will not impact badly on the team as you can rectify my mistake. I still have suspicions about other people based on how they voted in the previous round but it is at least possible to explain why Luke has acted as he did based off his character description, if he is Diana Allers. Otherwise, of course, he is trapped in the role even as a spy and cannot change his vote. He made it clear he is not voting for OG because of the role he is claiming. So that would suggest that even Luke thinks OG is genuine. Of course a spy would know this as well. Still I am giving Luke the benefit of the doubt. OG is claiming a fixed role. No one is disputing that claim so it would seem that OG is genuine as Garrus. I still have suspicions about Adonniel but if neither of you are voted off then Adonniel can prove her claim by boring you into submission during the night. If one of us ends up indoctrinated then that will prove that Adonniel is the spy, assuming that Luke has already been voted off and proven genuine. If Adonniel ends up indoctrinated then it will prove her innocence as well. I stand by my vote but essentially it is out of my hands now. Obviously you can't vote for yourself so it is down to the others what they do. If they stand by their votes then Luke will be voted off. Unless, of course, you have a change of heart about him and use your special ability. It's alright! I respect your reasoning behind your decision and I'm not taking it personally I did wanted to defend myself a little just in case the tide starts to turn, although I could use my ability no matter what. However, it's still possible I don't have to just yet.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 1, 2017 21:48:07 GMT
HEy, I just saw, that the ME game is basically the same crew as the Trouble over Skyhold game. If it is ok, I would like to join next round
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 2, 2017 1:20:06 GMT
Allers is irrelevant and pointless. That much is proven with her fatuous accusations that sow discord instead of uniting and aiding the crew against the unknown agent. She is abetting the Reapers. Such foul presence must be eliminated.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 2, 2017 4:55:09 GMT
Votes so far Obsidian Gryphon: 1 luketrevelyan: 3 pelassarias: 1
Still to vote nvanfleet
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