[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

It was fun, even with all the drama

Reed, you aren't the only one to blame, I'm pretty nuch just skimming through most of the posts for now, as I'm still running around the Cit... I mean New York, trying to see as much as possible

Plus, it seems I can never fool pela into thinking I'm innocent.

I'll be willing to play both versions of the game, as long as it starts after the weekend, I'll be home then.

No one. Gervaise decided a vote wasn't necessary at that point.

Good news. A new game with the new rules is likely to be up and running in a few days time, if you'll bear with us (Dragon and me that is). Can I assume that everyone who finished the last game would like to be a part of the new one? Please let me know if that is not the case.

I'm in too.

I'm game, let's try again!

Every role still has the same powers as before, it is just that instead of just random voting, you can question the sleeper agent to help you decide what to do. The other main difference is that voting is in secret, a bit like the first two rounds on the latest Skyhold game, except you are voting based off information gained and not completely in the dark. At least I think that is how it works. That is why I asked for Dragon's help because she knows better how she envisaged it.

A lot seems to depend on the person who is designated "Shepard" but that is still fun. I think it is a case of "let's try it and see" but I don't think you are any more likely to get randomly eliminated than currently and it may even be less down to chance than currently. After all, at present people make claims, people decide whether to believe them or not and people vote. The new version will be the same except with the extra element added in.

Not really worried about random eliminations... that's gonna happen in all of these games. It's part of it.

I'm more worried about basically the whole game relying on two people. But the more I think about it, it's really just the person playing as Shepard. They're like a mini-GM. It kinda seems like they can just do whatever they want in regards to questioning the spy. And if that's where our information for who is a hero/villain is coming from since voting is in secret... I'm not seeing where all the normal discussion and alliances and such are going to come from. 

Then there is the captured spy who seems like a, "not-so-fun" role for whoever gets it because all they get to do all game is type yes or no and they have to answer. At least, that's how I understood it.

It seems like instead of focusing on voting pattern, this game will have the players rely on the questions Shepard has asked the agent. This sounds interesting and I'm definitely in, but my main question is what incentive will the agent have in telling Shepard and the Heroes the truth? Shepard can get voted off, but it seems to me that the agent can pretty much lead the Heroes astray and there would be no reason for them to help out the Heroes .

If you look back to the run down of the rules I re-posted on p.115 Dragon suggested that whilst the Sleeper Agent could answer ambiguously if the question was framed in such a way that they could, they weren't allowed to outright lie.

So in the case of a Y/N question, if the answer is "yes" then the Sleeper must say so. If asked who voted for X the last round, then only people who voted for X can be given and none may be omitted. If asked who Y voted for last round, again it must be answered truthfully. However, the question cannot be "Is X a Cerberus agent?"

Dragon also suggested that perhaps the answer should be checked with the GM to ensure it is not breaking the rules. Obviously if the question is not allowable then the GM will just say so.

A maximum of 3 questions are allowed per round.

May be it should be a case of saying that the question cannot be answered with a simple yes or no. That would allow for an ambiguous answer.

Or instead of saying that X, Y voted for Z, they can only say that X and Y voted for the same person.

Or if asked who X voted for, they can only say they voted for the same person as Y without saying who.

How about a 1:2 ratio of lie to truth? It would give the good guys more of a guessing game, and let the sleeper agent have some decisions to make.

I just meant that if the agent had the ability to lie then Shepard could have a one use ability to makes the agent tell the truth that round. In the write up it could be paragon or renegade version.