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Post by Moonae on Jun 11, 2018 5:15:57 GMT
I mean, I did try to be subtle, but it seems I was maybe too subtle? Also, I told you you didn't want to loose me.
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 11, 2018 5:41:56 GMT
I mean, I did try to be subtle, but it seems I was maybe too subtle? I think you were Still, I don't think my suggestion was very popular, so your subtlety will stay subtle.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2018 7:07:52 GMT
Sorry Moonae. It seems that you may also suffer from the strong player makes you suspicious syndrome.
About revealing the information that Moonae found out the first night, since you are going to do this via the narrative would that simply be the role or the actual player? Would a compromise be that you say about the role but not which player is in that role? After all there are potentially twelve roles that could be in play but in fact only six are and all but Liara and Jack may be either good or evil.
So Liara investigated player X and discovered they were a spy: the narrative says that the role is evil. The spy can no longer hide behind that role but the heroes still have to find out who that person is.
Or Liara investigated player Y and discovered they were a hero: the narrative confirms this. So the players now know that role is in the game and is safe but it is up to the person in that role if they wish to reveal themselves.
What do you think?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2018 7:23:27 GMT
Given that Liara seems to be cursed, I have an idea for the next game. The first time Liara is eliminated, she is auto-saved (by her Shadowbroker info, I guess) for 24 hours. Meaning if Cerberus tries to take her out at night, she survives the night and is protected from elimination the next day round, and if she gets the majority daytime vote, she is protected from elimination during that day round and during the next night. What do you think? I think this would depend on whether one or two spies are in play. Having run a game on Skyhold with only one spy in play to begin with makes them very vulnerable to investigation and elimination the first round as well. Liara is already a strong role and making her immune to elimination the first time it happens for the entire day/night cycle seems overpowered to me but particularly if there is only one spy in play. At present, with only eight people participating, having more than one active spy does seem to give them too much advantage. However, we could play the next game with two active spies if you protect Liara in that way as it would balance the advantage to both sides. Whilst it seems like Liara is cursed that is really only because she often falls to people who are the target of early elimination/suspicion. Is it the role that is cursed or the player? Also being an investigative role is always going to be a two edged sword because you have to balance disclosure against the fact that spies will want to take you out. If you take the jeopardy of that role away then it gives too much of an advantage to the heroes.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 11, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
Given that Liara seems to be cursed, I have an idea for the next game. The first time Liara is eliminated, she is auto-saved (by her Shadowbroker info, I guess) for 24 hours. Meaning if Cerberus tries to take her out at night, she survives the night and is protected from elimination the next day round, and if she gets the majority daytime vote, she is protected from elimination during that day round and during the next night. What do you think? idk about that, seems pretty powerful. Plus, this feels like bioware's liara preference all over again
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 11, 2018 13:50:34 GMT
Hmm, well, based on Moonae's previous posts, it seems she probably investigated one of the players who were helpful with providing questions from the last round during Night 1: gervaise, reed, or flyimar. I'm thinking maybe she investigated gervaise, but it's possible it's one of the other three. We can also safely assume she didn't investigate romice or Cati since she did cast a bit of suspicion towards them for being a bit quiet.
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 11, 2018 18:42:43 GMT
I won't release the investigation info, then. Can't say more than that.
The Liara protections I'd suggested would only allow her to reveal one more investigation. If voted off, she would get the next night to investigate and the next day to reveal, then the spy would likely kill her or if the heroes were feeling self-destructive, they could still vote her off that day. If killed at night, she would live the next day to reveal her investigation and could not be voted off, but would probably still be killed the next night.
I think Liara is "cursed" because as soon as she says something like, "I trust so and so," then she is either assumed to be a spy protecting a fellow spy (and thus voted off) or everyone figures out she's Liara and she dies the next night. Moon took an interesting approach that might have worked out had she not gotten unlucky, but once she gathered votes, she was essentially left with the choice of revealing her identity and dying tonight, or staying secret but taking the chance at getting voted off.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 11, 2018 19:59:38 GMT
I do think, the information from Laira should be shared, since she wasn't eliminated at night, but you, dragon, are GM, and if you say, you won't release it, because one person is not ok with it, then it is your decision.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2018 20:04:25 GMT
I think Liara is "cursed" because as soon as she says something like, "I trust so and so," then she is either assumed to be a spy protecting a fellow spy (and thus voted off) or everyone figures out she's Liara and she dies the next night. Moon took an interesting approach that might have worked out had she not gotten unlucky, but once she gathered votes, she was essentially left with the choice of revealing her identity and dying tonight, or staying secret but taking the chance at getting voted off Part of the challenge of being Liara is using the information you have without compromising yourself. I don't think it is a curse but simply the balancing feature for having such a powerful role. However, that wasn't the case this game because there is only one spy. Thus, even if one of those who originally voted for Moonae is the spy, two others were heroes who found her behaviour suspicious. If the results of the secret vote hadn't been revealed before the voting closed then Moonae would have gone out regardless. If Moonae knew who the spy was then surely she had nothing to lose in being more explicit about it so it would seem that Moonae had no more idea who was the spy than anyone else. All she knew was who not to vote for. Reed commented how narrow the field of votes cast was when first revealed. It would seem that some of us are naturally suspicious to fellow players and others aren't at all. So if Liara had been one of the people who initially didn't attract any votes then she would not have been eliminated.
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 12, 2018 0:16:12 GMT
I do think, the information from Laira should be shared, since she wasn't eliminated at night, but you, dragon, are GM, and if you say, you won't release it, because one person is not ok with it, then it is your decision. Privately via PM with me, we have one player uncomfortable with revealing anything that Moon didn't already say before she was eliminated. Publicly, we have this: Space said no, but isn't set on that. Fylimar is ok with revealing the investigation, but didn't specify player or role. Pela is ok with revealing the investigation, but didn't specify player or role. Gervaise is ok with the role being revealed, but not the player. Moon, Romice, Reed, and Catilina haven't said whether they want the info revealed or not. I wanted to reveal the player investigated, not the role. I am not willing to reveal a player's role like that when all of you so far are keeping your roles very secret. This is different than, for example, Kasumi's role being revealed because she saves someone during the night.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 12, 2018 0:36:55 GMT
Reveal it all! but nah, I'll go with whatever way is decided. If someone doesn't want it revealed, it's fine. Respect their wishes and such. We'll just win anyway, you dirty spy!
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 12, 2018 3:44:15 GMT
dazk you stealthy rascal you. You should play next round To everyone else, narrative coming very soon.
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Post by dazk on Jun 12, 2018 3:52:12 GMT
dazk you stealthy rascal you. You should play next round To everyone else, narrative coming very soon. LOL Thank you I needed a good laugh. I will think about it, I really enjoy reading the by play and machinations but I am not very good at these type of games and I struggle for time at present.
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 12, 2018 3:56:41 GMT
Elsewhere, the spy had found his next target. While Shepard and most of her goons were occupied at C-Sec with Spy’s poor captured counterpart, Spy had discovered that one of the crew was...quite vulnerable at the moment. Might as well take advantage of it.
He pulled out his totally-unspecified-weapon-or-maybe-omnitool-or-maybe-magic-biotic-hand as his target stepped out into the open. Target had their comm raised and was speaking softly into it. Spy paused, waiting. Who could Target be talking to? Didn’t Shepard have everyone with her?? Dammit. He hated these sorts of surprises.
“You’re hallucinating,” said a familiar voice from somewhere behind him. “There’s nothing here.”
Spy heard the mumbling of a voice coming over the mystery woman’s comms, as Target spoke into their omnitool again. Crap. They were talking to each other. Did Target suspect he was there? Or was it just a coinci--
“Wait…” said the familiar voice harshly. “I’m picking up something ahead. Stand by.”
--dence. Shit. Time to get the hell away from here.
Spy headed toward one of the exits he’d spotted earlier, raising his...shields? Or barrier, maybe? Oh well, some sort of class-appropriate defense mechanism, anyway. And then he was immediately knocked flat by a warp field.
“Here!” screamed the familiar voice. “I need backup, now!”
Spy scrambled to his feet, let off an unspecified class-appropriate offensive attack, which hit the woman non-lethally, and ran for his life.
No one was eliminated tonight.
Daytime is declared.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 12, 2018 12:38:59 GMT
Does that mean Miranda saved someone? I'm horrible at deciphering the narratives haha because Miranda's power says "bring back" someone eliminated by cerberus. So is that the same as prevent? lol
Cause she's the only one with warp that I know of out of female heroes that has a save someone ability.
Either way, nice job to whichever hero did some cerberus thwarting haha
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2018 13:22:53 GMT
Does that mean Miranda saved someone? I'm horrible at deciphering the narratives haha because Miranda's power says "bring back" someone eliminated by cerberus. So is that the same as prevent? lol Cause she's the only one with warp that I know of out of female heroes that has a save someone ability. Either way, nice job to whichever hero did some cerberus thwarting haha Yeah the description is a bit misleading. Bringing back would suggest to me restoring someone previously eliminated like Chakwas does. Miranda blocks abilities.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jun 12, 2018 13:42:13 GMT
You guys are still live I see. But getting lost, going by the subject title.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2018 14:08:56 GMT
You guys are still live I see. But getting lost, going by the subject title. Coming back for next round?
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Post by fylimar on Jun 12, 2018 14:47:48 GMT
Yay for OG popping in - to stay I hope.
About Liara: maybe there should be a role that can protect more than once, like Cullen in Skyhold, so that Liara can investigate a big more and be able to clear player openly.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2018 15:28:46 GMT
I am not going to check 123 pages but how big a problem is this? Sometimes we lose Liara early and sometimes we don't. As I have said above, I think it largely depends on which player gets Liara so how likely it is they are going to be targeted by the spies or automatically be the object of suspicion by other players. Perhaps we should try more than one game with the new rules before we start changing the nature of the abilities that have worked well enough up to now. The biggest change this time round was the secret voting and that can definitely have some strange results so may be we should revert to the normal system before altering anything else.
EDIT: I have just realised that suggestion would limit the effectiveness of the captured spy. Still I do think we should try at least one more game with things as they are before making any drastic changes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2018 15:48:44 GMT
Now to the job at hand. I believe we are meant to suggest some more questions for the spy. To save you the bother of asking about me, I will put my hand up and say that I did vote for Moonae but this was genuinely done as a random vote before Moonae invited dialogue. Then when the secret voting was revealed I was as surprised as anyone to see that Moonae had 3 votes. However, as I was also in danger I was not about to change my vote, particularly as I thought she might be the spy and voted for me and clearly other people thought she was the spy too (hindsight is a wonderful thing). Then someone changed their vote.
Reed assumed it was because they are a hero but why should that automatically be the case? It makes no odds to the spy who gets voted out and clearly at least two of us had no idea that Moonae was Liara but of course a spy would realise that once Moonae was voted off, suspicion would fall on those who voted for her. So it would be in the interests of a spy to switch their vote to someone not in danger of being voted off.
So I suggest asking who voted for Moonae but then switched their vote.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 12, 2018 16:18:03 GMT
Now to the job at hand. I believe we are meant to suggest some more questions for the spy. To save you the bother of asking about me, I will put my hand up and say that I did vote for Moonae but this was genuinely done as a random vote before Moonae invited dialogue. Then when the secret voting was revealed I was as surprised as anyone to see that Moonae had 3 votes. However, as I was also in danger I was not about to change my vote, particularly as I thought she might be the spy and voted for me and clearly other people thought she was the spy too (hindsight is a wonderful thing). Then someone changed their vote. Reed assumed it was because they are a hero but why should that automatically be the case? It makes no odds to the spy who gets voted out and clearly at least two of us had no idea that Moonae was Liara but of course a spy would realise that once Moonae was voted off, suspicion would fall on those who voted for her. So it would be in the interests of a spy to switch their vote to someone not in danger of being voted off. So I suggest asking who voted for Moonae but then switched their vote. Well, that would be me. And the reason I did it: it was a random vote as yours and then I realised, that I helped voting someone out, who made well be innocent. I wasn't in your situation, so I switechd to give Moon at least a chance. She was no more suspicious to me, than anyone lese and I didn't want to target you or pela, because you two (and me) get targeted so often.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2018 16:24:55 GMT
Uh.. you guys are making my role obsolete
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 12, 2018 16:45:55 GMT
I didn't think we were allowed to straight up ask space who voted for who? But I see that doesn't matter because fylimar just came out and said it... Uh, I was gonna argue that the spy switching still makes no sense because we don't know who voted so why resort to a tie when you can just eliminate someone? lol
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 12, 2018 16:55:08 GMT
Thank you Miranda for using your ability! Also, since you've used your ability...that means it is safe to come out and hint in your case, since the spy would more than likely focus on the other roles to get rid of. And I also didn't know that we were allowed to reveal who we voted for in the last round. Are we allowed? If so, I will reveal who I voted for just to clear up the picture a little bit. Also, whether she's a hero or spy, I can understand how flyimar would want to switch from Moonae in her situation since she did have 3 votes. Hypothetically speaking, if I was in her shoes, I would have done so myself to avoid dooming someone you're not really sure about.
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