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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2018 14:12:57 GMT
Hi there Reed. Bearing in mind we are allowed to hint on the Citadel and if we successfully nab the spy this voting round you will have nothing to fear in revealing yourself, any little clue as to who you might be?
I said that I principally voted for you to get people talking rather than because I had made up my mind you were guilty. Even if the role isn't guaranteed to be good, at least it might be helpful to know what it is.
Unfortunately voting patterns aren't a lot of help to us since both you and Pela voted for Space and, to be honest, voting for a fellow spy early when it did not place them in much danger, as you did, makes more sense than voting at the last minute when it did, as happened with Pela. However, that is the only negative I have against you apart from not having any idea who you are.
The only reason I can really come up with for Pela's last minute change of heart if she is a spy was that she did get OG's hint but like me she originally thought she meant Legion, so was trying to avoid OG throwing all the votes onto her. However, as a spy, she could just as easily have achieved this by voting for someone other than Space to put them on two votes and into the tie with Moonae and OG.
Which is why I have my vote on Reed rather than Pela. I only have one vote change left, so whilst I am willing to change I do not intend doing anything hastily until I have more evidence to justify it.
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Post by Moonae on Aug 20, 2018 16:22:48 GMT
Hi there Reed. Bearing in mind we are allowed to hint on the Citadel and if we successfully nab the spy this voting round you will have nothing to fear in revealing yourself, any little clue as to who you might be? I said that I principally voted for you to get people talking rather than because I had made up my mind you were guilty. Even if the role isn't guaranteed to be good, at least it might be helpful to know what it is. By the way, I may have just missed, but have you hinted anything, Gervaise?
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Post by romice on Aug 20, 2018 17:38:20 GMT
Hi guys, I'm home and managed to get some sleep, so I now read through all the posts again and I have realised I totally spaced on a couple of important things I am not convinced of Moon's guilt as much as I was before. As I believe Fylimar said, if what Moonae at is true and she is a hero, then we can't afford to lose her. With that in mind, I'll switch from Moonae to Reed. But if Reed turns out to be a hero, my suspicion will probably fall back on Moon
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
By the way, I may have just missed, but have you hinted anything, Gervaise? Nope, not really felt the need and with other important people needing protection more than me I didn't think it wise to reveal myself if I didn't have to. I have been somewhat surprised that I haven't attracted a single vote this game. In fact, apart from Catilina, I am the only person who can say that. I assume the reason the spies didn't eliminate me last night is because I have been too visible so they thought that a quieter person probably made a better target. That might well change tonight though because Grunt will need to defend you. Come to think of it, if we do miss the spy this round, then they might go for him. So to help the Runt, I will say this. Go on vote for me. I dare you.
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Post by pelassarias on Aug 20, 2018 19:49:10 GMT
Oh wow, I totally forgot reed voted for Space. My bad, reed! Still, unless reed hints at an important role or a Guaranteed Good Role I'm going to have to keep my vote where it is due the risk of voting for Moonae or gervaise at the moment. So I got to ask: Are you as untrusting of Cerberus as I am, reed?
ETA: To be more specific, if gervaise is Evil Wrex or Legion they WILL take out flyimar. If Moonae is a good protective role than flyimar will be more at risk during the night.
ETAA: Actually, if gervaise is Evil Legion or Wrex they probably won't take down flyimar since this will out them and end the game fairly quickly, but they can take out another powerful Good role and just say whoops.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 21, 2018 7:16:59 GMT
Just need to point out here that if I was evil then revealing myself as Wrex is no protection from being voted off because I would be the last spy and so it doesn't matter who I took with me as it would be game over. Therefore it does not benefit an evil Wrex to reveal themselves as it would simply make them a target for Garrus or Jack in the night (if they are in game).
As I have declared, I have decided to reveal myself so if we do get the wrong person this round, the spy will have a greater number of targets to choose from in the night. If they go for me that will save someone else. Meanwhile Liara ought to be able to check out at least one of the remaining suspects so there will be no doubt in the heroes minds who to vote for next day.
However, it would be helpful in identifying the remaining spy if we have some indication of who the remaining unknown people are. If you are Jack then give us a hint. However, please do not take out someone in the night unless you are absolutely sure of the status of your target because if you get it wrong then we would be three heroes down and only two people still in play, one of whom would be the spy. The same comment applies if you are Garrus. It will aid the heroes far more than the spies to know who you are.
I'm taking my computer in for its annual health check today. I hope they can get it back to me this evening but if they take longer then I just wanted everyone to know why I have fallen silent.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 21, 2018 12:24:49 GMT
Hi there Reed. Bearing in mind we are allowed to hint on the Citadel and if we successfully nab the spy this voting round you will have nothing to fear in revealing yourself, any little clue as to who you might be? Perhaps I would, or perhaps certain people are trying to better ascertain who they should attempt to eliminate by trying to get everyone else to hint their roles. While the spy does know that the rest of the players are heroes, they wouldn't know for certain who was who. Perhaps a certain someone is trying to navigate all the protections by outing everyone? I'm down to 2 suspects and you happen to be one of them. Knowing that, why would I hint my role to you? Yes, if we get the spy this round it won't matter, but what if we don't?? My ability could still prove useful. Edit: Well it seems that you have hinted after the post I quoted on my catch up. Well then, I suppose I DO have the flexibility to hint...
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2018 17:55:12 GMT
Ho, hum, well I'm back at last. Took 32 hours and I was getting withdrawal symptoms but finally I'm on line again.
I understand your suspicion Reed but I've tried to explain myself logically. Since I know I'm good then probability says that the spy is either you or Pela.
There is an outside chance that Moonae has been playing a very clever game totally acting as a good character would even to the extent of using her special ability in such a way as to allay suspicion but even then she only revealed her role when she was in danger, so I think her being evil is less likely than either of you.
If we get the vote wrong this round and I end up surviving the night, then heroes by all means vote for me if Fylimar has checked out the other main suspect and found them to be innocent as well.
Still I'd rather we got it right first time and that is why I keep pushing for information.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 22, 2018 18:18:51 GMT
Are you as untrusting of Cerberus as I am, reed?
If my avatar isn't convincing enough ( ) then... consider me shaking my head in a certain direction.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2018 20:01:15 GMT
So, Reed, am I right in saying that you are not Grunt?
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Post by fylimar on Aug 22, 2018 20:07:04 GMT
If Moonae had hinted at a role she isn't, then anotehr player should have spoken up by now, I guess. She was pretty clear. So for now, I trust her
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 22, 2018 20:08:20 GMT
Wouldn't you like to know master spy! Suffice to say that if we don't get the spy this round and the list is narrowed, my ability would still be quite useful. I feel like my hints aren't so vague (and yes there's 2)
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2018 8:05:15 GMT
I am a bit puzzled by your response, Reed. At present you are on the most votes with only Moonae left to make a decision. At best that would leave you in a tie situation with Pela. If you know yourself not to be a spy and you think I am a "Master Spy" why are you still voting for Pela?
Pela is highly unlikely to change her vote considering she is currently the other person in the firing line unless you change your vote to someone other than her. Romice, who is another unknown but has been cleared of being a spy, could change her vote but at present seems content to leave it where it is, the alternative simply being another possible spy. I could change my vote if given sufficient reason to do so. Calling me a Master Spy whilst keeping your vote on Pela only reinforces my decision to vote for you.
As I've said, if you think I am evil, vote me off and game over. The fact is I am a hero and the spies know this. They avoided voting for me before because they clearly didn't want to confirm my suspicions by targeting me. They are avoiding voting for me after I revealed myself as Wrex because they know I can take them down with me. For that reason, if we don't get the spy this round, I think it far more likely they will eliminate me overnight or a known hero, because the surviving suspect would still have an element of doubt over them but cannot harm them after the vote. Of course by then Liara will have checked them out so there will be no doubt as to their status.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 23, 2018 13:15:15 GMT
Why would I switch my vote? Currently my only option of not being eliminated by the remaining spy (of which I have already stated that in my POV is most likely you or Pela. Changing my vote to someone I think is a hero does me no good and makes me look like a spy. lol) is to hope that Moonae trusts the person who has trusted her rather than being quick to jump on her for helping Space and thus garner a tiebreaker with Pela. The master spy comment is simply for fun as it may not necessarily be you. If you'll recall, I've called space and others master spies or some variation in the other game many times as well.
Switching to Fylimar means I'm voting for someone heavily hinting Liara. Switching to Romice means I'm voting for someone that has been claimed to be cleared. Switching to Moon would just encourage her to vote for me and would have me voting for someone I believe to be a hero. Switching to you makes sense, but currently doesn't help me, thus my vote must go on Pela. Basically, I could switch but there isn't much evidence to convince others to follow me, so I'm hoping my voting history and hints offer reason to switch. After all, it's only been 1 round. The only thing against me and Pela is that we are claiming roles not guaranteed to be good since we both voted to eliminate the known spy. And the only thing against you is that you didn't vote for space, but voted for me and fylimar who is claiming a guaranteed good role.
Of course switching would make a lot more sense if Pela or Romice decide to switch, but that isn't looking likely as you said. Pela will leave her vote on me as I believe she said you and I are her suspects. If she decides to switch to you, I'd follow naturally. Thus, I await the final vote.
You would have me waste my switches before all votes are in to do what? Have the votes be even more weighted against me? 1-1-3 is worse than 2-3 when you're on the verge of elimination. lol
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2018 15:57:16 GMT
The master spy comment is simply for fun Fair enough. And the only thing against you is that you didn't vote for space, but voted for me and fylimar who is claiming a guaranteed good role. Also a good point, although you will note that as soon as I realised who Fylimar was hinting at, I changed my vote. I will also note that in changing to Moonae after she voted for Space makes it look as though I was protecting him, although this was a somewhat clumsy move for a spy to make at that late stage. I also only have one vote change left, so am reluctant to change without good reason. As you admit, from my POV there are only two possible spies, you and Pela. So I will also wait until all the votes are in before making a final decision on the matter.
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Post by Moonae on Aug 23, 2018 17:55:07 GMT
Oops, got so wrapped up in how the Skyhold game played out I almost forgot this one was still going.
Okay, from my point of view I have three suspects: Pela, Reed and Gervaise. Of these, Pela and Reed would be dangerous to have around at night if they're evil, while Gervaise's power only activates on elimination. (This is assuming the hints aren't misleading, of course.)
I think we'll probably have this cleared up by morning anyway, but in the meantime it's better to vote off one of the more potentially dangerous ones, and since they both voted for Space earlier I'll just simply even things out by voting for Pela and see what happens next.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 23, 2018 18:19:05 GMT
I doubt things will be cleared by morning, since some have indicated that they are willing to change their votes based on the arguments made.
In any case, after work I will post a voting update.
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Post by Moonae on Aug 23, 2018 18:21:25 GMT
I meant in-game morning.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Aug 23, 2018 21:16:32 GMT
Wouldn’t it be funny if I was the only spy and Dragons been messing with you?
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Post by Serza on Aug 23, 2018 21:18:30 GMT
I'd die laughing.
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Post by pelassarias on Aug 23, 2018 23:15:51 GMT
Am I missing something here? Why would I be considered dangerous? At best If Evil, my role would make a good cover for why I haven't been eliminated. Reed's role meanwhile, can potentially take down a Hero during the night. So how is my role just as dangerous as reed's? If you really are a Hero Moonae, by voting for me, you're risking a Hero possibly dying during the night, more than likely you. Meanwhile, if you vote for reed instead nothing will happen during the night since my role isn't designed to kill anybody and I'm actually am a Hero. Also, I actually don't think gervaise can possibly be Evil anymore due to fylimar's comments about gervaise. Her comments seem to indicate that she might have checked gervaise last night. So my suspects right now are Moonae and reed currently , and I'm keeping my vote on reed due to the risk of voting for Moonae right now.
ETA: fylimar has also stated that she trusts Moonae, so maybe she checked her last night instead. ETAA: fylimar voted for Moonae at first, so she couldn't have checked Moonae last night, so she had to have checked gervaise based on her comments.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 23, 2018 23:57:12 GMT
Votes so far Pela: 3 Reed: 3
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Post by Moonae on Aug 24, 2018 5:32:10 GMT
It's not your role, Pela, it's any additives you may have recieved.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2018 7:12:59 GMT
I think I am understanding what Moon is hinting at. Moon is in a position to know about these additives, assuming Moon has been telling the truth about her role. If Pela is the spy then she could be very dangerous to the heroes overnight. However, that would pretty much blow her cover and it would still leave two heroes alive to vote her off. Plus some people might have protection if they are targeted. Whereas if Reed is a spy with a night-time ability that eliminated an additional hero, he could argue it was a mistake, although to be honest I don't think that would be a very convincing defence.
Anyway, I agree with Moonae that both are equally dangerous as spies overnight but I feel that leaving Pela alive is less of a risk than Reed, so I think I'll leave my vote where it is.
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