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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 26, 2017 16:48:10 GMT
Voting Fylimar last time turned out to be fake news. My sources were poor. Gervaise's analysis was excellent.
This time I have it right however. I'll be voting for the suspected Cerberus agent Obsidian Gryphon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:04:19 GMT
I'll just copy this first since it's a useful reminder.
Roles always present: Liara, Miranda and Garrus Roles not always present but proven: Kasumi Role not always present but suspected: Wrex, Clone Role hinted at from voting: Diana Role eliminated: EDI
Roles not yet claimed/hinted at: Javik, Kaidan/Ashley, Legion, Tali
The unknown from my perspective are:
gervaise21; Dadithinkimgay; Pelassarias; Romice
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Gerva sounds reasonable with the Legion and Tali assumption.
If Space is bluffing about Diana, then very convincingly.
I am suspicious of smiles bandwagon from the last turn. But, two people whose role claims I trust have voted against him too.
Gerva has been hinting at the previous game where I suspected her too that it's the same situation in this one. I'm not sure if I trust this.
I am deciding between voting for gerva or for dadithink.
I'm not voting anything until dadithink comes and says something.
I'm also wandering why romice repeatedly goes after dadithink. Random voted him round 1 and was a little too fast to agree with gerva this turn. It's possible it was a villain plan from round 1 to cast suspicion on them, then I'd have to link gerva to it as well.
Yea, I'm more suspicious of gerva atm. I'd like to see how dadithink reacts prior to judging.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:09:21 GMT
As for my game, I first talked to Benezia and then I received the split quest. I went after the Queen, after blowing my Shepard up. I let the Queen go and received a bunch of useless paragon points. Made me wander about the ridiculous things you have to do to get Renegade points. It's one thing to disallow the others to screw with you and another committing genocide out of fear to raise the renegade score.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:15:58 GMT
Bold claims, actually. I understand Dad and Adonniel, but I must certainly object with the suspicions of me - for obvious reasons - and Gervaise. Far as I know, him and Fylimar are the two people here I can trust, which also makes me wonder, at a stretch, whether Adonniel and Dad aren't good guys. I think I'll just add Adonniel to the list of "Trust but Test" and keep a very close eye on Dad from now on, considering Gervaise's claims... What claims? Gerva says he's suspicious of me and dad. I say I'm suspicious of gerva and dad. Our logic of mistrust is exactly the same. Why is gerva more valid than I?
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Post by Serza on Dec 26, 2017 17:19:13 GMT
Only about 200-300km away... (Moravia-Silesia border) My forum birthday isn't actually mine, obviously. Serves as a great hint for my nationality though. I'll have to review the evidence, but right now, you're pretty suspicious to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:21:41 GMT
The only conclusion I gather from this would be, gerva and dad aren't evil together since gerva is trying to make bandwagon on dad. Either one is villain and the other is inno or both are inno. But both aren't evil.
I don't see though why you suddenly all trusting of gerva.
I'm suspicious of you Serza but for different reasons. I'm no Master Yoda (as much as I wish I was) to foresee which side you will choose. But I am of the same order as him and I can only hope you won't be the death of me.
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Post by Serza on Dec 26, 2017 17:34:32 GMT
Not you, Adonniel... not you...
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2017 17:47:25 GMT
gerva is trying to make bandwagon on dad. Actually I made it quite clear that I am open to persuasion that I have made a wrong choice. There are people who should have information. If they prove reluctant to vote for Dadi then I am willing to follow their lead. I must admit I don't understand why I am such a target for you Adonniel? Last round you said I was being too quiet, so this time I decided to be more vocal. I gave you the benefit of the doubt over Dadi but I would point out that someone can seem very helpful but be really a spy and last round you seemed to be leading a bandwagon yourself, first against Tittus and then against OG, both of whom are likely innocent parties. However, Dadi was following around after different bandwagons, first jumping on the Fylimar one and when that seemed disproved, jumped on your Tittus one, before opting for Smilesja. We know Smiles was innocent and Fylimar will know if Tittus' claim was genuine (I think it likely is), so that makes 3 different bandwagons for innocent people that Dadi joined. That to me is suspicious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:08:42 GMT
Gerva, if your behaviour was noted as suspicious, you would alter it, especially since you're on top of the list of suspects, you'd need to make accusations before you get accused.
Another note I've made from the previous round.
Pela is not likely to be working with Obsidian as she amounted a bandwagon on OG. Since she made a deal with Tittus for back scratching and they both altered votes - not through ME btw, but by openly making a deal between each other and they both have separately chosen to change whatever those votes were towards OG after I changed the vote from Tittus to OG. I trust Tittus' claim, so I don't see an evil connection between Tit and Pela, more like a game working moment to mutually change votes as both of them had votes on them and were in danger. Both voting OG was to save their own bacon, which I had nothing to do with. Had there been another avenue vote it wouldn't have mattered if it was my vote for OG or someone else's.
You have just proven yourself that dad wasn't following me, but he was following whatever bandwagons are on. I had nothing to do with first wagon on fyli and voted outside.
Exactly, the player votes were going after fyli. No one was following me from the get go. Pela voted Serza. After fyli hinted at their role, everyone changed their votes to a different target who happened to be Tit because that's the one I voted against the tide when everyone was wagoning on fyli because they would want to save an inno and the way you save an inno is easier to add another vote on already existing than to start from zero because you changing a vote doesn't guarantee others will change theirs away from an inno. Nobody knew at that point that Tittus had good defense too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2017 18:33:47 GMT
especially since you're on top of the list of suspects So I would remind you are you. And I would agree, I decided to get my thoughts in before you did because I had a feeling you would be pointing the finger at me again. The fact is there are some people I am pretty confident that they are the role they claim to be. Others still need to be proven but at least they have hinted at something. I know I'm not a Cerberus Agent and as I have pointed out there is only one genuine role at the most that still needs to be identified, plus Liara is sensibly keeping their identity hidden. I don't think you are Liara or you'd have investigated me by now, so you must be a floating role or a spy. A spy would want me out of the way but I'll stick with my initial hunch for now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:38:16 GMT
Actually - there was an avenue open as well: romice voted against dadithink. That's when the 1st bandwagon broke away from Fyli. But, Tittus voted against Pela - so when choosing an avenue between dad (romice voted) and tit (me voted) Pela changed from Serza to the person who voted against her, which was Tittus. (Why did Pela change their vote though? She didn't need to save fyli, unless Pela wanted to make sure nobody voted her because she already had a vote against her too.) Obviously dadithink wouldn't have chosen himself to vote against given two choices. So, he voted Tittus too. Once again. I didn't do nothing. People were saving their own skins in choosing to follow up on my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:40:58 GMT
especially since you're on top of the list of suspects So I would remind you are you. And I would agree, I decided to get my thoughts in before you did because I had a feeling you would be pointing the finger at me again. The fact is there are some people I am pretty confident that they are the role they claim to be. Others still need to be proven but at least they have hinted at something. I know I'm not a Cerberus Agent and as I have pointed out there is only one genuine role at the most that still needs to be identified, plus Liara is sensibly keeping their identity hidden. I don't think you are Liara or you'd have investigated me by now, so you must be a floating role or a spy. A spy would want me out of the way but I'll stick with my initial hunch for now. So you are claiming to be a NON- floating role? Because you aren't hinting at anything either. We know who Mira is and this leaves only two proven roles. You aren't Lia and you aren't Mira. If you were Liara you would have investigated me too since we're both mutually mistrustful. There was a HUGE voting fray round 1 with Three major bandwagons. You have participated in a last one only, suspiciously staying out of it and keeping your votes. It's impossible to even link you to anyone because you have smartly stayed out of it. All the changes were without you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:58:02 GMT
1. spy 2. spy 3. spy 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli 8. Dia - space 9. Clone - serz 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. Wrex - OG
Ok, gerva who the heck are you? I don't think you're Lia.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2017 19:08:47 GMT
Now you well know that it is forbidden to outright claim a role, plus it can make you a target if it is someone the spies who would want out of the way. However, I find it interesting that you have stated categorically there are 3 spies. That was still open to question unless I've missed something along the way. There was I thinking you were against me because your character dislikes aliens but now you are stating that the character I pegged you for does not exist. Dear me, what are we to make of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 19:14:00 GMT
I've already been made a target thanks to your prodding.
If there are only two spies than you are a floating role, so I don't see why you would be concerned for your safety.
But, do consider which action you have forced on me the next night and whether the spies are the only ones you could be in danger of by withholding a role.
WHO. ARE. YOU?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 26, 2017 19:28:27 GMT
I do trust gervaise, space and Tittus for now, the rest is still a pretty big black hole.
I still will wait for a while, I think
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
1. spy 2. spy 3. spy (most likely or a floating role) 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit - proven 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli - proven 8. Dia - space 9. Clone - serz 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. Wrex - OG
Make what you will, but I will find out rather clearly which role you are one way or another.
Gerva, you aren't Lia, Garrus or Mira.
One of the floating roles could obviously be lying, but you have claimed nothing.
Currently, there is no room on that good slots list for you. So, I'm assuming you're one of the spy roles. 3rd spy slot could be a floating role too, but you're hiding your role too intently, which means spy or an important role. I don't think you are one of the default proven three.
My vote goes to gervaise21
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 19:29:33 GMT
I do trust gervaise, space and Tittus for now, the rest is still a pretty big black hole. I still will wait for a while, I think What makes you trust gerva?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 26, 2017 19:36:18 GMT
I do trust gervaise, space and Tittus for now, the rest is still a pretty big black hole. I still will wait for a while, I think What makes you trust gerva? I just do. He makes good cases and I don't get spy vibes from him, that means, I trust him for now. Plus he was one of the first to believe me last round, when I was the mob target. Without him defending me, we might have lost two heros last day and night. So he is either a good hero or a bad spy and I believe the first :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 19:41:58 GMT
If he was defending you, he would have cast a vote against another person to create a parallel bandwagon in an attempt to sway the bandwagon away. He was just content to watch (don't remember if he said something, but a spy knows anyway who all the innos are.)
He voted only once and that's to sway the votes away from OG. That was bandwagon #3 #4.
We had 4 wagons last round.
1st on you.
2nd on Tittus.
3rd on OG.
Last on smiles.
Actually - I stand corrected. We didn't have 3. We even had FOUR.
Gerva watched and then swayed the votes away from OG in the very last wagon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 19:58:47 GMT
And Gerva conveniently disappears after my threat. To plot how to vote me off now no doubt with her partners before I can execute my plan. Go ahead and vote, the easier it will be to figure out the villains.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2017 19:59:38 GMT
One of the floating roles could obviously be lying, but you have claimed nothing.
Okay I'll give you a little clue. Your assumptions and your list are wrong. I should be shown against one of those roles which means either you or the person you think is that role is a spy.
EDIT: I did not disappear but there are things I need to do in real life which mean I may not respond immediately. I shall be "disappearing" for a little while again now. Hint - I have animals I need to care for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 20:02:11 GMT
One of the floating roles could obviously be lying, but you have claimed nothing. Okay I'll give you a little clue. Your assumptions and your list are wrong. I should be shown against one of those roles which means either you or the person you think is that role is a spy. If someone is claiming your role than do let us know, so we can find out which one between the two of you is lying. I don't see where my role claim can potentially overlap with anyone because if anyone claims my role, it will be very precarious for them. edit: Take good care of your animals. Have they gotten used to the stables yet?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 20:19:58 GMT
One of the floating roles could obviously be lying, but you have claimed nothing.
Okay I'll give you a little clue. Your assumptions and your list are wrong. I should be shown against one of those roles which means either you or the person you think is that role is a spy.
EDIT: I did not disappear but there are things I need to do in real life which mean I may not respond immediately. I shall be "disappearing" for a little while again now. Hint - I have animals I need to care for.
I very much doubt Tittus is overlapping on the list. I can assume the spies wanted dead someone already proven and went after Tit last night - in part because Kas guessed the identity right and Tittus is one of a few people who made their role very clear. So, it was easy to guess who Tittus is and consequently save them. In any case, Kas can easily confirm this to be true or false - if she saved Mira. You yourself have defended OG's Wrex claim by throwing bandwagon onto smiles, so I don't believe you would have hopped onto saving the bacon of a person stealing your role. That would leave Space's or Serza's role claims in question. I doubt you are Dia too because you said you have a voting choice because you're open to persuasion. So, Serza is lying then? Because I don't see anyone else overlapping.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 26, 2017 20:57:13 GMT
Okay I'll give you a little clue. Your assumptions and your list are wrong. I should be shown against one of those roles which means either you or the person you think is that role is a spy.
EDIT: I did not disappear but there are things I need to do in real life which mean I may not respond immediately. I shall be "disappearing" for a little while again now. Hint - I have animals I need to care for.
I very much doubt Tittus is overlapping on the list. I can assume the spies wanted dead someone already proven and went after Tit last night - in part because Kas guessed the identity right and Tittus is one of a few people who made their role very clear. So, it was easy to guess who Tittus is and consequently save them. In any case, Kas can easily confirm this to be true or false - if she saved Mira. You yourself have defended OG's Wrex claim by throwing bandwagon onto smiles, so I don't believe you would have hopped onto saving the bacon of a person stealing your role. That would leave Space's or Serza's role claims in question. I doubt you are Dia too because you said you have a voting choice because you're open to persuasion. So, Serza is lying then? Because I don't see anyone else overlapping. Some clarifications. Gervaise hinted at being an alien role. That means Liara, Garrus, Javik, Legion or Tali. Not Wrex as that's who OG appears to be. (I have my doubts on that but moving on.. ) As Legion and Tali were not in the game last time, they could be this time. However, Gervaise also claims she is a role you've identified. This would suggest a clone, which is not an alien necessarily, but none of the alien roles (besides Wrex?) have been identified to my knowledge.. That would make Serza some other role than clone on your list. Serza, if anything, has been hinting at some soldier role. I suppose that could fit Ashley or kaidan? EDIT: Forgot javik as one of the aliens
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