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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 21:00:26 GMT
I very much doubt Tittus is overlapping on the list. I can assume the spies wanted dead someone already proven and went after Tit last night - in part because Kas guessed the identity right and Tittus is one of a few people who made their role very clear. So, it was easy to guess who Tittus is and consequently save them. In any case, Kas can easily confirm this to be true or false - if she saved Mira. You yourself have defended OG's Wrex claim by throwing bandwagon onto smiles, so I don't believe you would have hopped onto saving the bacon of a person stealing your role. That would leave Space's or Serza's role claims in question. I doubt you are Dia too because you said you have a voting choice because you're open to persuasion. So, Serza is lying then? Because I don't see anyone else overlapping. Some clarifications. Gervaise hinted at being an alien role. That means Liara, Garrus, Legion or Tali. Not Wrex as that's who OG appears to be. (I have my doubts on that but moving on.. ) As Legion and Tali were not in the game last time, they could be this time. However, Gervaise also claims she is a role you've identified. This would suggest a clone, which is not an alien necessarily, but none of the alien roles (besides Wrex?) have been identified to my knowledge.. That would make Serza some other role than clone on your list. Serza, if anything, has been hinting at some soldier role. I suppose that could fit Ashley or kaidan? Gerva himself has dismissed Tali and Legion from the game during his earlier speculation about which roles are in play. Not Wrex because he would have voted OG for stealing his role instead of voting the bandwagon away from them. He's no Garrus or Liara either. This leaves the clone only. Serza said he's Aniken. Aniken's alignment was unidentified before he turned evil, just like Evil Clone isn't either good or evil until a choice. He's hinting at a soldier role because he probably wants Garrus' role (but now that you mention it, maybe he wants Ashley's role because he thinks she's hot).
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 26, 2017 21:14:10 GMT
Some clarifications. Gervaise hinted at being an alien role. That means Liara, Garrus, Legion or Tali. Not Wrex as that's who OG appears to be. (I have my doubts on that but moving on.. ) As Legion and Tali were not in the game last time, they could be this time. However, Gervaise also claims she is a role you've identified. This would suggest a clone, which is not an alien necessarily, but none of the alien roles (besides Wrex?) have been identified to my knowledge.. That would make Serza some other role than clone on your list. Serza, if anything, has been hinting at some soldier role. I suppose that could fit Ashley or kaidan? Gerva himself has dismissed Tali and Legion from the game during his earlier speculation about which roles are in play. Not Wrex because he would have voted OG for stealing his role instead of voting the bandwagon away from them. He's no Garrus or Liara either. This leaves the clone only. Serza said he's Aniken. Aniken's alignment was unidentified before he turned evil, just like Evil Clone isn't either good or evil until a choice. He's hinting at a soldier role because he probably wants Garrus' role (but now that you mention it, maybe he wants Ashley's role because he thinks she's hot). Added javik to the list of aliens.. Good points. Something to consider.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2017 21:31:29 GMT
Hello, I'm back! Bloody awful weather over here. Not so much frosty the snowman as Noah's Ark although the BBC are suggesting that Frosty could make an appearance before the end of the night. It has been very mild for the last week so the change is a bit jarring and I have been explaining to the horses why they have to stay in overnight as they have been allowed the choice up to now. Plus grooming my itchy Thoroughbred and ferrying large amounts of hay to keep them occupied until morning. -----
Okay, so back in character. I thought Aniken was meant to be good until he turned evil but that is neither here nor there as a different universe. Anyway, you seem to be so busy focussing on me that you are forgetting there are other people not yet identified and who must be quietly killing themselves laughing that you are ignoring them. I think I have given enough clues for now and am not obliged to reveal anything more, particularly as it may make me the target in the night.
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Gerva himself has dismissed Tali and Legion from the game during his earlier speculation about which roles are in play. Not Wrex because he would have voted OG for stealing his role instead of voting the bandwagon away from them. He's no Garrus or Liara either. This leaves the clone only. Serza said he's Aniken. Aniken's alignment was unidentified before he turned evil, just like Evil Clone isn't either good or evil until a choice. He's hinting at a soldier role because he probably wants Garrus' role (but now that you mention it, maybe he wants Ashley's role because he thinks she's hot). Added javik to the list of aliens.. Good points. Something to consider. That would imply two spies, providing I've read Serza's hints correctly. But, if Serza wasn't hinting at Evil Clone, then who is he? Gerva I am not clear with you at all because if someone was claiming MY role I would be howling that they're evil and voting against them. Yet, here you are claiming that someone has taken your role but instead of voting against them you are sitting there guessing about who an entirely different person might be. The ONLY way I'd believe you aren't evil at this point would be if you were to organise a bandwagon on someone and that person turned out evil.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 26, 2017 21:56:33 GMT
I'll just copy this first since it's a useful reminder. Roles always present: Liara, Miranda and Garrus Roles not always present but proven: Kasumi Role not always present but suspected: Wrex, Clone Role hinted at from voting: Diana Role eliminated: EDI Roles not yet claimed/hinted at: Javik, Kaidan/Ashley, Legion, Tali The unknown from my perspective are: gervaise21; Dadithinkimgay; Pelassarias; Romice ____ Gerva sounds reasonable with the Legion and Tali assumption. If Space is bluffing about Diana, then very convincingly. I am suspicious of smiles bandwagon from the last turn. But, two people whose role claims I trust have voted against him too. Gerva has been hinting at the previous game where I suspected her too that it's the same situation in this one. I'm not sure if I trust this. I am deciding between voting for gerva or for dadithink. I'm not voting anything until dadithink comes and says something. I'm also wandering why romice repeatedly goes after dadithink. Random voted him round 1 and was a little too fast to agree with gerva this turn. It's possible it was a villain plan from round 1 to cast suspicion on them, then I'd have to link gerva to it as well. Yea, I'm more suspicious of gerva atm. I'd like to see how dadithink reacts prior to judging. First, sorry for being absent everyone. Holidays and what not. Second, I know you casted your vote for gervaise, but I am curious about your suspicions of me. If it’s because I have yet to hint at my role, well, I will surely become the next target if I give one. Even though we’re killing it, I just believe my power is too important for the agents to know.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 26, 2017 22:19:12 GMT
I'll just copy this first since it's a useful reminder. Roles always present: Liara, Miranda and Garrus Roles not always present but proven: Kasumi Role not always present but suspected: Wrex, Clone Role hinted at from voting: Diana Role eliminated: EDI Roles not yet claimed/hinted at: Javik, Kaidan/Ashley, Legion, Tali The unknown from my perspective are: gervaise21; Dadithinkimgay; Pelassarias; Romice ____ Gerva sounds reasonable with the Legion and Tali assumption. If Space is bluffing about Diana, then very convincingly. I am suspicious of smiles bandwagon from the last turn. But, two people whose role claims I trust have voted against him too. Gerva has been hinting at the previous game where I suspected her too that it's the same situation in this one. I'm not sure if I trust this. I am deciding between voting for gerva or for dadithink. I'm not voting anything until dadithink comes and says something. I'm also wandering why romice repeatedly goes after dadithink. Random voted him round 1 and was a little too fast to agree with gerva this turn. It's possible it was a villain plan from round 1 to cast suspicion on them, then I'd have to link gerva to it as well. Yea, I'm more suspicious of gerva atm. I'd like to see how dadithink reacts prior to judging. First, sorry for being absent everyone. Holidays and what not. Second, I know you casted your vote for gervaise, but I am curious about your suspicions of me. If it’s because I have yet to hint at my role, well, I will surely become the next target if I give one. Even though we’re killing it, I just believe my power is too important for the agents to know. That is a bit fishy: You either suggest, you're Liara or you try to flush her out. If you are really Liara, you just have made yourself a target for next night. Otherwise you're a spy, trying to get a reaction from the real deal.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 26, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
First, sorry for being absent everyone. Holidays and what not. Second, I know you casted your vote for gervaise, but I am curious about your suspicions of me. If it’s because I have yet to hint at my role, well, I will surely become the next target if I give one. Even though we’re killing it, I just believe my power is too important for the agents to know. That is a bit fishy: You either suggest, you're Liara or you try to flush her out. If you are really Liara, you just have made yourself a target for next night. Otherwise you're a spy, trying to get a reaction from the real deal. I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval?
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That is a bit fishy: You either suggest, you're Liara or you try to flush her out. If you are really Liara, you just have made yourself a target for next night. Otherwise you're a spy, trying to get a reaction from the real deal. I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval? Well then, a person who is TOTALLY NOT Liara. You must have a list of players you DO trust. No? Whoever Liara is, we're not getting much help here from this role to narrow down the suspects. They should be able to list two people at this point who can be taken down from suspect list.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:35:10 GMT
Hello, I'm back! Bloody awful weather over here. Not so much frosty the snowman as Noah's Ark although the BBC are suggesting that Frosty could make an appearance before the end of the night. It has been very mild for the last week so the change is a bit jarring and I have been explaining to the horses why they have to stay in overnight as they have been allowed the choice up to now. Plus grooming my itchy Thoroughbred and ferrying large amounts of hay to keep them occupied until morning. ----- Okay, so back in character. I thought Aniken was meant to be good until he turned evil but that is neither here nor there as a different universe. Anyway, you seem to be so busy focussing on me that you are forgetting there are other people not yet identified and who must be quietly killing themselves laughing that you are ignoring them. I think I have given enough clues for now and am not obliged to reveal anything more, particularly as it may make me the target in the night. Oh I'm not ignoring them. I think the spies have figured out at this point who everyone is. So, keeping your roles oh so mysterious doesn't aid anyone. We have 4 players who are oh so shrouded in mystery and I bet 3 or 2 of them are spies. One of their butts needs to be vote booted for sure this round. Speaking of me not ignoring anyone. Pela and romice, do you have any insight you wish to share regarding your suspicions?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 27, 2017 0:16:40 GMT
That is a bit fishy: You either suggest, you're Liara or you try to flush her out. If you are really Liara, you just have made yourself a target for next night. Otherwise you're a spy, trying to get a reaction from the real deal. I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval? Nope, but you said, we need your ability. What other ability than Liaras is so important, that we can't afford to loose it. To me, no other. Miranda has already used her ability and we know, who Miranda is anyway. The rest is not that important imo. I don't think, we have a Cullen role here, so yeah...
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Post by fylimar on Dec 27, 2017 0:20:50 GMT
I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval? Well then, a person who is TOTALLY NOT Liara. You must have a list of players you DO trust. No? Whoever Liara is, we're not getting much help here from this role to narrow down the suspects. They should be able to list two people at this point who can be taken down from suspect list. Speaking a bit from experience here if I were Liara, I would only come out of hiding for a spy, because here, you are dead pretty quickly, if you reveal yourself, so better make it count
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:28:53 GMT
Well then, a person who is TOTALLY NOT Liara. You must have a list of players you DO trust. No? Whoever Liara is, we're not getting much help here from this role to narrow down the suspects. They should be able to list two people at this point who can be taken down from suspect list. Speaking a bit from experience here if I were Liara, I would only come out of hiding for a spy, because here, you are dead pretty quickly, if you reveal yourself, so better make it count They don't need to come out directly. But, during the discussion they can slide in hints subtly while explaining who they think might be evils and who isn't while participating in general discussion. You don't have to say directly that you don't suspect someone in order to attempt to lift suspicion from them and to narrow down the suspect list. It helps knowing who is innocent, not only who is guilty because if you die as an invest, you want players to have as much info as possible. Right now there are 4 unknowns (and some floating might be lying). If invest could have crossed two others off the list, this would narrow down who to vote significantly. If you're invest you can create a list as your most suspicious towards your least suspicious and stick those you checked to the bottom. It doesn't look suspicious to spies because regular players do these lists too, but if you kick the bucket the players can refer to your list and assume the ones at the bottom are likely invest checked and inno.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 27, 2017 0:37:38 GMT
I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval? Nope, but you said, we need your ability. What other ability than Liaras is so important, that we can't afford to loose it. To me, no other. Miranda has already used her ability and we know, who Miranda is anyway. The rest is not that important imo. I don't think, we have a Cullen role here, so yeah... Well... I feel like it’s important. Lol. I gave it away anyway. I hadn’t realized a few pages back that addonniel literally propped up a list of who she believed was what. If I saw the previous conversation I would have just given it away anyway. I haven’t been paying much attention to this, but that’s my fault. I can understand people’s suspicions after that. As far as my suspicions, I need to relurk this thread to see what I missed while I was gone.
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I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval? Nope, but you said, we need your ability. What other ability than Liaras is so important, that we can't afford to loose it. To me, no other. Miranda has already used her ability and we know, who Miranda is anyway. The rest is not that important imo. I don't think, we have a Cullen role here, so yeah... adonniel approves of this post because is has a word Cullen in it. Wait whut are we talking about? I also vote for Cullen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:45:18 GMT
Nope, but you said, we need your ability. What other ability than Liaras is so important, that we can't afford to loose it. To me, no other. Miranda has already used her ability and we know, who Miranda is anyway. The rest is not that important imo. I don't think, we have a Cullen role here, so yeah... Well... I feel like it’s important. Lol. I gave it away anyway. I hadn’t realized a few pages back that addonniel literally propped up a list of who she believed was what. If I saw the previous conversation I would have just given it away anyway. I haven’t been paying much attention to this, but that’s my fault. I can understand people’s suspicions after that. As far as my suspicions, I need to relurk this thread to see what I missed while I was gone. Actually, I thought you might be Liara during the previous voting round when you sort of defended romice. I thought you're either invest who checked her or you're both evilz.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 27, 2017 2:37:43 GMT
I agree that Tali seems to not be in play. Nobody seemed to vote against someone, so unless whoever is Tali is very subtle, she isn't here. That doesn't mean Legion isn't as well. My list of suspects is(in order from most likely): dadithinkimgay, adonniel, Serza and gervaise21 There are 2 other people that I'm watching closely, but don't seem as suspicious to me. So, with my list I vote for dadithinkimgay. We'll see what the day brings, when non-Europeans wake up I’m curious about your suspicions, especially with adonniel. Unless something has changed, what makes you suspicious of her? She seems to be actively connecting the dots. Also, didn’t even realize but I guess I have a vote against me already in this round. 👀 And you were pretty fast with that vote, as with the last time you voted for me. I’m curious about your suspicions of me as well.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 27, 2017 5:33:41 GMT
Happy Late Holidays all! I hope none of you guys were as sick as I was these past few days.. But, back to the game! I'm just going to make a list here of who I suspect and don't Adonniel and gervaise - They might have hinted at a role but I haven't caught on so far. Possibly Javik and/or Kasumi. Nonetheless, I don't find them both suspicious on behalf of their reasonings/behavior so far. So yeah, I won't follow adonniel's vote this time . Space- Seems like they're Diana to me. If not, they're a spy. But so far I'm not suspicious flyimar- Hinted at a non-floating role that no one has counter claimed so I'm inclined to believe her. Tittus- Also hinted at a confirmed role that no one has counter claimed, so I believe him. Serza- At first I was suspicious, but after reading what adonniel believes what role this player is, I believe it as well. Romice - I'm going to be honest, this player so far is a big mystery to me. Possible spy or floating role (If I had to guess, possibly K aidan/Ashley or Wrex). OG - Still pretty suspicious about this player, but I have to admit, it is mostly based on a feeling. Diana could actually be right about this... Dad- Claim's to be a non-floating role, but the way they went about it is a little suspicious. Flyimar made a good point about how Dad could possibly be trying to lure the real Liara out. I'm going to put my vote towards Obsidian Gryphon for now because I definitely don't want to possibly vote off a powerful role. But, I do have to admit that flyimar makes a good point. We'll see if Dad is who they really claim to be, I suppose. ETA: The more I think about it, the more I'm equally as suspicious of romice as I am of OG. I'll think about whether or not I'll switch.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 27, 2017 5:55:00 GMT
Votes so far: Obsidian Gryphon: 2 dadithinkimgay: 2 gervaise21: 1
Still to vote: fylimar Obsidian Gryphon Serza dadithinkimgay Tittus
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 27, 2017 7:28:18 GMT
I'll just copy this first since it's a useful reminder. Roles always present: Liara, Miranda and Garrus Roles not always present but proven: Kasumi Role not always present but suspected: Wrex, Clone Role hinted at from voting: Diana Role eliminated: EDI Roles not yet claimed/hinted at: Javik, Kaidan/Ashley, Legion, Tali The unknown from my perspective are: gervaise21; Dadithinkimgay; Pelassarias; Romice ____ Gerva sounds reasonable with the Legion and Tali assumption. If Space is bluffing about Diana, then very convincingly. I am suspicious of smiles bandwagon from the last turn. But, two people whose role claims I trust have voted against him too. Gerva has been hinting at the previous game where I suspected her too that it's the same situation in this one. I'm not sure if I trust this. I am deciding between voting for gerva or for dadithink. I'm not voting anything until dadithink comes and says something. I'm also wandering why romice repeatedly goes after dadithink. Random voted him round 1 and was a little too fast to agree with gerva this turn. It's possible it was a villain plan from round 1 to cast suspicion on them, then I'd have to link gerva to it as well. Yea, I'm more suspicious of gerva atm. I'd like to see how dadithink reacts prior to judging. First, sorry for being absent everyone. Holidays and what not. Second, I know you casted your vote for gervaise, but I am curious about your suspicions of me. If it’s because I have yet to hint at my role, well, I will surely become the next target if I give one. Even though we’re killing it, I just believe my power is too important for the agents to know. A bit confused about the bolded parts to the point where I'm suspicious. You say all this while basically claiming the role. If you were truly apprehensive and if you were truly the role you say you are you wouldn't have outright say this while saying your role is too powerful for agents to know. It just doesn't make sense the more I read this. It seems to me you're more than likely luring Liara out. So you're either EC or an agent. I do want to know what other players think of these comments. Am I reading too much into this?
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Post by romice on Dec 27, 2017 7:43:20 GMT
I agree that Tali seems to not be in play. Nobody seemed to vote against someone, so unless whoever is Tali is very subtle, she isn't here. That doesn't mean Legion isn't as well. My list of suspects is(in order from most likely): dadithinkimgay, adonniel, Serza and gervaise21 There are 2 other people that I'm watching closely, but don't seem as suspicious to me. So, with my list I vote for dadithinkimgay. We'll see what the day brings, when non-Europeans wake up I’m curious about your suspicions, especially with adonniel. Unless something has changed, what makes you suspicious of her? She seems to be actively connecting the dots. Also, didn’t even realize but I guess I have a vote against me already in this round. 👀 And you were pretty fast with that vote, as with the last time you voted for me. I’m curious about your suspicions of me as well. Gervaise was the first to vote for you, BTW. I decided to vote quickly, as I wasn't sure when I'll be able to log in next and I didn't want to slow the game down. Adonniel is slowly falling off my list, but she's there mostly because I have absolutely no idea what role she is. And I think that players that usually are very analytical in their post would remain so while being spies. I'm actually getting more suspicious about gervaise. The "I know who I am" line is the only instance where he refenred to his role. I understand he might be one of the roles the spies would like to eliminate, but without clues, I can't be sure. Actually I'll change my vote from dadithinkimgay to gervaise21, because right now my list pretty much flipped upside down
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 8:52:57 GMT
Let's make it clear. No one is actually allowed to claim a role outright. People are allowed to hint at roles. If you are a role that the spies would like removed then you are likely to be wary about revealing too much. Currently several people are claiming important roles and only two of them have been pretty much confirmed by the action.
When I was Leliana I observed more than contributed because initially the information I had was not needed (the person I knew about was not a target) but when I had definite information about a spy I went on the offensive. So the person who is Liara is simply avoiding voting for anyone they know to be innocent and it is quite possible those people have not been in serious danger of being voted off up to now. The same is true when it comes to Liara being voted off. You only drop obvious hints as to your role if you are in serious danger of being voted off. The same is also true of other roles like Miranda, Kasumi and Garrus. However, once your special ability has been used then there seems no point in remaining secret, which explains why Miranda and Kasumi are willing to be higher profile now.
I would remind everyone that I was being attacked as suspicious the last game because I was keeping low profile when actually I was Miranda and trying to keep myself hidden until I had used my ability. I also made an erroneous comment about Miranda, suggesting they might have useful information. Of course they don't. Miranda only chooses to save someone but has no idea who that person is. Kasumi knows who Miranda is. The only other person who has information gained from their role thus far is Liara. As stated above, I'm assuming that Liara only knows two people who aren't spies but is keeping a low profile.
There are two aggressive roles that can retaliate against being voted off. Wrex can take someone with them but may take an innocent person by mistake. Legion can direct all votes to a particular person but, again, may target an innocent party by mistake. I was assuming that Legion could not be present but only if Tali was. As someone else pointed out, if Tali is not present then Legion could be and there would be no obvious voting pattern to show this. It is only Adonniel who has assumed that both roles are absent, although suggesting I had stated as much when I hadn't. So Legion could be the missing role instead of one of the other three, unless of course there are three spies.
Now I am curious about the role of Garrus. Someone previously hinted heavily at being that role, which seemed odd when that would make them a target for the spies. Someone else suggested a reason for their claim because apparently they were in fact Garrus so knew the first person was not genuine but did not make this clear at the time. What I find odd is that bearing in mind how obvious the first person was why didn't the spies target them instead of Miranda? Miranda had already used her ability so was no threat to the spies. Garrus could potentially still use their ability against them. So was the reason the person was left alone was that they were really a spy? The other person is apparently highly suspicious of me and yet did not make use of their ability against me last night. They are now complaining I have outed them and threatening to do so tonight, so if they are so confident about me, why not try and find another spy to vote off so they use their ability in a useful way? So are they really Garrus?
I am still suspicious of Dadi but once again everyone seems to assume that he can only be one role when he could be someone else that the spies would want to kill off at night to avoid having them around during the voting in the day. I am not changing my vote yet because I don't want to act in haste and run out of options to change. However, I would suggest that people examine very carefully the claim to be Garrus which seems to be being made by both Serza and Adonniel. I also wouldn't immediately assume that the false claim can be discounted as that of the Evil Clone.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 27, 2017 8:59:17 GMT
I trust gervaise21, more than the people, he suspects anyway. I'm torn between adonniel and dadi at the moment, but because of his last strange posts ( first saying, he can't hint, then almost giving the role away and then saying, he has claimed that role before), I vote dadithinkimgay
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 10:33:25 GMT
I'm a bit rusty on people's foibles in ME but would someone more knowledgeable enlighten me please. Who likes tea?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 27, 2017 10:49:04 GMT
^ I've no clue on that one. I don't recall any char talking about food and drink except the meal with Kaidan in ME3. Steak on the menu and whiskey or something like that was mentioned. Javik said Salarian liver was a delicacy. Vega cooked eggs for breakfast. Joker invited Shep to a sushi restaurant. And no, Salarian curry is not a thing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 10:59:47 GMT
I wondered if it was a clue but I couldn't remember anyone either. I seem to recall that all drinks in ME are alcoholic. Odd thing to put though if it wasn't a hint. Oh well.
OG, have you any insights? Last round you switched from Smiles to Adonniel. Was that just random or did you have a reason behind your vote?
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