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Post by dragontartare on Mar 7, 2020 20:41:53 GMT
There isn't a vote-swaying ability in this game. However, Aria can duplicate any role either on the Citadel, in previous games or in Wolf Hunt, where there is a vote-swaying role. I know. My very next sentence said that. I'm willing to switch my vote to space, but I don't want to get caught with no vote changes when we still haven't heard from Hero. Either he's a spy who doesn't want to risk self-incrimination, or he had a hero role that he doesn't want to risk revealing. I think we need information more than secretive roles at this point, however. Editing to add a thought. If seven is truly good Oriana, he could prove himself by using his ability the next night. If he does, then either someone is saved from indoctrination (good Ori) or a night-killing role is blocked (evil Ori). If he fails to use his ability, then we vote him off tomorrow, provided enough heros survive. Which is a big if at this point.
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Post by seven on Mar 7, 2020 20:50:13 GMT
I still want to hear from Hero too, he hasn't said much at all. Not saying this automatically makes him a bad guy, but hard to say when there's not much to assess.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 7, 2020 21:59:58 GMT
Gervaise, I’ll vote Space with you. I also suspect them. I'm willing to switch my vote to space, but I don't want to get caught with no vote changes when we still haven't heard from Hero. Obviously I am not going to change back until someone else votes for Space as it would be my last vote change. I've been caught out before like that, getting information when I can no longer do anything about it so I understand your reluctance to swap, Dragon, particularly since there are still two people voting for you. I'd agree you should wait for further evidence before switching but we're in the middle of a 48 hour countdown and so there is no guarantee Hero will return before we reach the deadline. As for Seven, if you are a hero then you need to take action. I am putting my faith in Dragon and that is why I swapped from Space because I was anxious about last minute vote changes. Neither Dragon nor I can afford to switch out our votes whilst there are still 2 on Dragon. Even if Dragon is a spy, she has a partner in crime, so voting for someone else would hopefully still bag a spy. Dadi has been slow to change from Dragon, which would be very odd if they were a team; whilst Dragon's vote on Hero in the first round put him in the lead at the time, which would also be odd if they were a team; I'm not a spy so the only possible partner for Dragon would be Space.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 7, 2020 22:03:45 GMT
Pela, can we extend the countdown a bit in hopes hero will say something?
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Post by pelassarias on Mar 8, 2020 4:42:12 GMT
Pela, can we extend the countdown a bit in hopes hero will say something? Sure, I'll extend it until Monday, by then I think Hero will be back. If he's not though, I'll extend it once again.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 8, 2020 20:44:00 GMT
Ok, I've been thinking and I think gervaise's reasoning about space makes sense. Plus, he's been strangely quiet. I'm open to switching my vote, but I think that would put me in 3-way tie, if I'm remembering the votes correctly. seven, you never responded to my idea of how you could prove yourself. If you're truly good Oriana, then you should use your ability tonight to prevent indoctrination. If you don't use it, then you get voted off tomorrow, provided enough heros are left (which means we need to get one of the spies now).
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Post by seven on Mar 8, 2020 22:49:26 GMT
I can, i guess we just have to hope glyph doesn't block me now, as he has only used one of the 2 that can be used.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 8, 2020 23:05:06 GMT
I can, i guess we just have to hope glyph doesn't block me now, as he has only used one of the 2 that can be used. If Glyph is good, then Glyph has no reason to block you. If Glyph is evil, then the narrative will hopefully show that you tried to act anyway.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 8, 2020 23:27:30 GMT
I will switch from Dragon to Space
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 9, 2020 2:25:37 GMT
Sorry I've been quiet, got distracted by SWTOR I'm not sure why that makes me suspicious though. Voting me out is a mistake, but one I'm sure we can recover from.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2020 4:57:40 GMT
Sorry I've been quiet, got distracted by SWTOR I'm not sure why that makes me suspicious though. Voting me out is a mistake, but one I'm sure we can recover from. The only way heros could recover from losing another hero at this stage is if you are good Aethyta or good Aria. Who do you think the spies are, then? You being quiet is suspicious because you usually aren't. Any unusual behavior is going to look suspicious.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 9, 2020 10:10:37 GMT
Sorry I've been quiet, got distracted by SWTOR I'm not sure why that makes me suspicious though. Voting me out is a mistake, but one I'm sure we can recover from. The only way heros could recover from losing another hero at this stage is if you are good Aethyta or good Aria. Who do you think the spies are, then? You being quiet is suspicious because you usually aren't. Any unusual behavior is going to look suspicious. Is it that dire? I thought we still had more people. Better not vote me out then. To me the most likely are Seven and Hero.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2020 11:50:24 GMT
Is it that dire? I thought we still had more people. At present we have 4 heroes and 2 spies. If we lose a hero this round, then another overnight, it will be evens. Voting off Aethyta could change the dynamics but she may not be in the game. There are a number of unknowns that could also mess with these numbers: A good Nyreen could shoot one of the spies in the night; an evil one could win it for the spies by shooting a hero. A good Oriana could block the spies in the night; an evil Oriana could protect herself from Nyreen. A good Glyph could distract one of the spies but the other could still operate; an evil Glyph could distract a useful hero. A good Aria could win it for the heroes in a number of ways; ditto an evil Aria. Essentially the best we can hope for if we lose another hero is a tie-breaker because, based off the answers given, all the roles I have mentioned could be present and in fact all bar one must be present if people have been telling the truth in the majority of their answers. (I'll allow that Hero may have lied about his gender to conceal his identity from the spies). It was because numbers are so tight and a potentially disastrous scenario with these roles if they are evil, that I reverted to trying to study voting patterns in the first round and again in this one. If they are heroes we don't want to lose them because they could save the day for us.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2020 16:42:52 GMT
Is it that dire? I thought we still had more people. At present we have 4 heroes and 2 spies. If we lose a hero this round, then another overnight, it will be evens. Voting off Aethyta could change the dynamics but she may not be in the game. There are a number of unknowns that could also mess with these numbers: A good Nyreen could shoot one of the spies in the night; an evil one could win it for the spies by shooting a hero. A good Oriana could block the spies in the night; an evil Oriana could protect herself from Nyreen. A good Glyph could distract one of the spies but the other could still operate; an evil Glyph could distract a useful hero. A good Aria could win it for the heroes in a number of ways; ditto an evil Aria. Essentially the best we can hope for if we lose another hero is a tie-breaker because, based off the answers given, all the roles I have mentioned could be present and in fact all bar one must be present if people have been telling the truth in the majority of their answers. (I'll allow that Hero may have lied about his gender to conceal his identity from the spies). It was because numbers are so tight and a potentially disastrous scenario with these roles if they are evil, that I reverted to trying to study voting patterns in the first round and again in this one. If they are heroes we don't want to lose them because they could save the day for us. Aria, if voted off, could also take on an Aethyta-like ability. Given space is threatening to be one of those roles, what do you think we should do? Vote for space and risk him taking someone else with him, but giving seven a chance to prove himself good? It might be worth it anyway if he's a spy. Or go for seven or hero instead?
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2020 18:24:10 GMT
Given space is threatening to be one of those roles, what do you think we should do? Vote for space and risk him taking someone else with him, but giving seven a chance to prove himself good? It might be worth it anyway if he's a spy. Or go for seven or hero instead? Well if Space is Aria then he can just borrow Zither's ability from Wolf Hunt and direct all the votes to someone else. In fact, if he is Aria he could do this anyway regardless of whether we vote for him or not. Seeing as Hero would be his most likely partner as a spy, we'd have a job voting off Hero too. So I'm hoping that he isn't Aria. If Space is not Glyph, then that would mean Hero is. So the question is, are the benefits of keeping a good Glyph out-weighed by the potential for harm of an evil one? It is a pity that Hero isn't able to give us a bit more of an idea about his identity. If we assume that Seven is Oriana then if good she could swing things back in our favour, whereas if evil she can only protect herself from attack, so it might be better to keep her. However, that leaves the problem of who her fellow spy might be and I still feel the most likely candidate is Space not Hero. I suggested to Seven that if she is innocent then she needs to take action to save herself. Now Dadi has switched to Space, logically Seven ought to switch from you too. Until Seven does, I am not going to change my vote because it will be my last but if you want to take a punt, Dragon, please go ahead as you will still have the opportunity to change again if you wish.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2020 18:42:31 GMT
That makes sense. I'll go ahead and switch from seven to space.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 9, 2020 19:14:56 GMT
It seems the spies are playing a good game. Eliminating me will help them a lot.
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Post by seven on Mar 9, 2020 20:17:20 GMT
Changing to space then. Notifications don't like me again
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 9, 2020 20:37:04 GMT
Changing to space then. Notifications don't like me again You have to format it properly, as in i switch from dragon to seven 😛😄
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Post by seven on Mar 9, 2020 22:07:54 GMT
Sorry, changing from dragontartare to space
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 10, 2020 20:02:09 GMT
So we currently have a tie-breaker, no sign of Hero making things any clearer and I must decide whether to take an irreversible step.
I have been thinking a bit more about Glyph and why they might invite someone to their party. Whilst a hero Glyph might want to use their ability because of the likelihood of being eliminated before they could, nevertheless this early in the game they could potentially be stopping an important hero from using their role overnight. However, an evil Glyph might want to for the same reason and I have an inkling of who that role might be, based on the narrative. So I am inclined to feel that Glyph may be evil.
I think we were agreed that the only candidates for Glyph are Space and Hero. I've also stated that I think the most likely partner for Hero would be Space. The likely roles for Space are Glyph, Aria or Aethyta, so if he is not Glyph and a hero, he should either be able to save himself or hopefully take a spy with him.
So on that basis, I am going to bite the bullet and change my vote from Seven to Space.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 10, 2020 20:24:47 GMT
Except I’m not any of those roles.
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Post by seven on Mar 10, 2020 20:44:48 GMT
Who do you think Hero is Gervaise?
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 10, 2020 21:08:50 GMT
Except I’m not any of those roles. Then you must have lied in one of your answers. You said you were familiar with the Citadel and not human. No other roles fit those criteria. Who do you think Hero is Gervaise?
Well since Space is strenuously denying being Glyph, then it has to be Hero, who can be forgiven for lying about his gender as saying "I have none" would immediately point to Glyph. Also in the character description Glyph is referred to as "he".
Anyway, I have used up all my vote changes, so it is up to other people now if they have second thoughts.
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Post by seven on Mar 10, 2020 21:50:59 GMT
I agree. And I have a feeling he might be evil glyph, which would mean if I use my ability, he can block me on this.
Anyone want to add something to this? I only have one vote change left, and I want to make sure that we make the right decision.
If we vote hero off, that will eliminate a (potential) bad guy, and allow me to protect us overnight. This then leaves us with 4 heroes and an evil role as they won't be able to kill any of us this round, unless it's an ability (someone please confirm this?). Hopefully that gives us a better chance of winning this round.
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