[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

...crap. It's day time, isn't it? I forgot

I certainly couldn't have missed the sunrise all shots considered.

In the last hour since I realized it's day time here on the Citadel, I've been reading back through the thread and trying to copy all relevant information. As fun as smiles bandwagons are, I'd love it if we could get something useful out of what happened with Liara.

So, beginning from dadshley's elimination:
(with my thoughts in blue)

Tittus voted for gervaise almost immediately after dad/Ashley was eliminated, with a simple, "Alright, I vote for Gervaise."

Then, adonniel made the dad blunder and switched her vote to romice. Jokes all around.

When fylimar asked Tittus whether there was a reason for the quick gervaise vote, he responded, "Yes. Things are slow in the other game and I want to see the mayhem here."**

Moonae followed Tittus' vote for gervaise.

Gervaise voted for Tittus. (There was a comment later in the thread that adonniel started the Tittus bandwagon. That is not true, though it was possibly a retaliatory vote for gervaise.)

**Adonniel's response to this was, "What sort of mayhem? Diana type mayhem or MAYHEM MAYHEM! Should I be voting Gerva? I always find him suspicious in every single game and haven't been right once about it. "

Tittus responded, "I honestely don't know if you should, Gervaise may not be my final vote in this day. If he agrees with me, we can vote for someone else. If I say so, will you vote for him?"***

This doesn't really seem to add anything if adonniel is evil Wrex. Could Tittus have been aiming at a different role here?



Gervaise said, "Okay, it seems we have reached a sort of stalemate here with everyone waiting on everyone else before committing to a vote. Let me just say that I will be of no use to you if you vote me off."

Not really relevant to Tittus vs. adonniel, but worth considering all the same.



***My question to Tittus was, "I feel like I'm missing information here. If your role provided some sort of information, you should share."

Tittus then replied, "Tsc Probably the spies'll get me this night.
I don't buy for one sec Adonniel's shameless strategy of don't knowing that dad wasn't eliminated. I don't know if she's being obvious on purpose, but that may be related to her role. If there's a certain bird in the game and he's among the heroes, he may provide a fine solution without further sacrifices.

And it's curious how fast Adonniel was in voting for someone else and her interest in me voting for Gervaise. But I tend to overthink things."

Any thoughts as to what the bolded part might be getting at? What would evil Wrex have to do with this, if that is indeed adonniel's role?



In response to this, adonniel posted a long explanation and switched her vote from romice to Tittus.

Tittus response to this was, "Please, I never said anything about someone having to follow my vote for Gervaise, I merely asked a question to figure your relation with him.
And I was just dismissing my intentions to get off the spies' radar, your radar. I can't count on protection from Miranda or Kasumi since I don't even know if they're in the game, and even so, they can spies.
I wanted to get everyone, but I figured that if I stumbled upon another spy almost by accident, I wouldn't survive.

I change my vote from Gervaise to Adonniel"

In reponse to my list of ideas about each player, Tittus responded, "Because Garrus would be the best solution, if he's in the game and is one of the heroes.

To all the heroes here, once I 'm eliminated here you'll know my role and should vote for Adonniel next day if Garrus doesn't get her this night."

This does seem to point to adonniel being evil Wrex.



After some discussion from others asking Tittus to explain, he said, "Really? You really don't think it's strange how quickly they jumped on defending Adonniel? Specially Pela with her terrible excuse that I never was eliminated early in the game?
Unfortunatelly I can't hint on Adonniel' role, but see again my posts, why would I ask that Garrus should be the one that should shoot her to prevent further sacrifices?

I wanted to stay hidden and Gervaise was a bait to see how things would progress. then I stupidily changed my strategy in the middle of the day because I figured that I wouldn't survive the night."

Another indication that adonniel is evil Wrex.



Tittus later stated, "Except that my tactic is based on the player's role. Which I can't even hint at."

And after I asked him to explain the tactic after the game, he said, "It isn't that much really. I just wanted time to investigate. By the second on third night I could have more information and most of the picture.
But I feared that the spies would get me this night and switched it."

Now he seems to be backpedaling


Then later said, in response to adonniel saying the baiting had to do with gervaise's role, "No, it isn't Gerva's role. My vote on Gerva was just to see the pattern of you spies. And I didn't vote on you because that I would be more exposed and one other reason."

What pattern? Why Gervaise?? I'm thinking it might have been a secondary investigation. If he knew adonniel was a spy, he picked another player at random to accuse to see if adonniel would defend them, and if she did, he would have found another spy (gervaise).

This strategy wouldn't work if the investigation had turned up a hero -- it's hardly unusual for heroes to ask people to explain their votes -- but it could work if the investigation turned up a spy, since spies tend to not question things that don't concern them specifically.


After I shared some speculations about the strategy, he said, "I wouldn't reach anything conclusive. It was just to facilitate my work and see most of the picture with as few investigations as possible."

Reposting pela's analysis, because it's the only one that makes any kind of sense so far: "Slept on this. For you to be this dodgy and hesitant I'm guessing you're hinting that adonniel must be Evil Wrex, right? That would explain why you were so anxious and dodgy about voting for her and that's why you wanted Garrus to shoot her. This has to be the only explanation, because you being so anxious about other roles while you had protection doesn't make a lick of sense."



The best I can get from this is that adonniel is evil Wrex, and Tittus chose another player at random to see if adonniel would defend them, and happened to get it right. It's far from ironclad, but it's what I came up with. What do the other heroes think?

If she's evil Legion, she could change the votes any time she wants, whether we vote for her or not. 

Tittiara seemed to be positive that adonniel needs to go, either way. I really, really hope it's because she's the one he investigated, and not for something dubious he gathered during the day cycle.

Can we now try another theory starting from a jump point that I was NOT the one Tittus investigated.

There are at least three options who he might have checked. Yet, they're all ignored except me.

I clearly have no say in it since I'm the main suspect now. It would be useful if someone had brainstormed it from a different perspective, starting with a point that Tittus checked someone else as if the ideas come from me they will be mistrusted.

Who?

If you look at my comments in the really long post, you'll see that at several points he hinted at your role, no one else's. It is confusing -- and therefore unfortunate -- that he voted for gervaise first when he clearly was most sure about you being a spy. But other than you or gervaise, I can't see who else you think he might have investigated.

When he was voting Gerva, that conflict was more like 'I vote you' and 'I vote you back' thing. Tittus was not endangered by it because Gerva was not demanding that anyone else votes against Tittus. My argument was really intense and gathered a bandwagon on him. There is a huge difference between a player who voted you back because you voted them (which is simply annoying) and a player who is calling you a villain and encouraging others to vote against you (that makes innocent players with important roles unhappy to say the least). When you are the invest, it really does bother you that players don't respect your authority even if they haven't the foggiest who you are. That's the role you don't want to be voted off with.

I know you're open to theories, but the fact is. You put a huge amount of thought into the theory that begins with me being the one he investigated. When you do this, you naturally feel sorry for the work you have put into it and thus extremely reluctant to separate yourself from the idea even if you wanted to.  The ideas coming from me will be unsatisfactory in comparison because they are not yours, especially since I'm the main suspect. So, I'm pushing for another person to come up with the idea.

It could be as simple as Tittus having investigated one of the innocents and operated during the day simply with a shorter list of suspects. I happened to enter a conflict with him that now makes me look evil.

Once again, I can't blame you for thinking so.

I can only caution to start working on other ideas in advance because once you get me gone, it will be back to square one.

You're assuming this theory I have is like a huge WIP I made, like a huge intricate sandcastle. But really, it's like a little sandcastle I made. Sure I put a little work into it.  But if I see a better one in the distance, or if I come up with a superior one, I can easily leave that sandcastle to get swallowed up by the shore. 

At this point I am curious about what the other beach goers think. So I going refrain from voting until I hear from the rest.

ETA: Dragontartare does make a good point that this is a little more than a theory since it does matches up with Tittus's behavior a bit. But I'm still open to other theories if they make more sense than mine.

What are you talking about?  I don't know anything specific. I'm not an investigative role. If I knew something specific, I'd be giving you ideas directly before dying.

Edit: Spite is too strong a word. But 'spies framed me because I'm dangerous' would definitely makes me a spy in his eyes. I don't think he truly meant it when he said something like 'you're all deserve to lose.'

I'm sorry, I totally missed too, that it is day and voting time. I'm at work now and I just have a short look during coffe break now. I probably won't be able to vote until evening (we have 9:00 am here in Germany), maybe I can sneak in during lunch time, but I'd like to go through all the posts again, like dragon did, to get an overview.
This round is a bit tricky so far, so I'd like to read carefully through all this again during break or in the evening.

Dragon: I really like your overview.

I do trust dragon and pela and if OG really is who he claims to be, I'd like to trust him too (always keeping in mind that we have all potential characters in the good/evil variety, but for now, I trust OG)

The rest are blank sheets, with adonniel looking suspicious, but as I said, before I'm going to vote, I will go through the posts again, maybe I missed a hint. I did look up all the participating characters in this game, I don't know yet, on ME Wiki to get a basic knowledge and to catch up on hints better, but I didn't get the bird reference for example and Garrus is my favorite character and Turians my favorite race, so I still have some playing and reading up to do to get all the references

BTW: dragontartare I might ask you for the help you offered soon, since I just started with Janei Shepard. As I said, I made her a Sentinel, since that playstyle works generally better for me, maybe teh archangel mission will go smoother with her. It can't be, that she can't manage to save her future husband.
I'm about to meet the elusive man.
Did I mention, that I really don't like Miranda? I only met her for five minutes and she is already rubbing me the wrong way. That ridiculous jumpsuite does nothing to make me taking her more serious