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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 27, 2017 11:09:14 GMT
I voted as per the role I'm given. Nothing to do with suspicion on anyone then. I've to say though, the tea remark is puzzling so I'm wondering about the person too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 11:10:13 GMT
I'm actually getting more suspicious about gervaise. The "I know who I am" line is the only instance where he refenred to his role. I understand he might be one of the roles the spies would like to eliminate, but without clues, I can't be sure. I've given quite a few clues but not obvious ones, unlike some other people. Mind you, I have no idea who you are but that's okay by me. Anybody can hint at a role without it being true. I find it amusing that I went from bottom of your list to the top, leapfrogging 2 people who are actually more dubious in the light of various claims that have been made. I refer again to the problem of who is Garrus?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 27, 2017 12:26:29 GMT
I might not pick up as many clues as others, because I only know one third of ME. I don't know who most of the people, you guys are referring to, are. That evil clone is still a mystery, why is that thing on our side, if it's an evil clone? Is it like Peeves or Filch in the Harry Potter novels? You can spoil me, if you like. So I try to go by behavior and reasoning here. And there seems to be one role who is important, because she can investigate every night, and that is Liara. This game doesn't seem to have a protective role like Cullen in the other game, the protective roles here only can use their ability once per game and some of them have to guess right, before they can protect like Kasumi, so their ability might only come into play if they are lucky.
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I like to give the question cave, adonniel, why so suspicious if gervaise? Just curious, I try to get a bigger perspective here.
The same question goes to romice.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 13:25:42 GMT
That evil clone is still a mystery, why is that thing on our side, if it's an evil clone? In the Citadel DLC there was a clone of Shepard trying to take over his identity. Apparently they were the result of experiments done by Cerberus when they had Shepard's body (see ME2 for why they did). Naturally as Shepard was such a hero figure it would be a very powerful role to adopt. Hence an evil clone, although you can have some sympathy for a figure who was not responsible for how they were brought into being or their morality for that matter since I assume it would be a case of nurture over nature. To be honest I was never quite clear on that. So far as this game is concerned the Clone will be imitating one of the heroes. From that point of view they are evil but they are not obliged to assist Cerberus any more than they are the heroes. It is entirely their choice. So potentially they are dangerous but not actually as dangerous as, say, EDI when indoctrinated who has no choice but to help Cerberus. Voting them off will remove the potential threat but is still wasting an opportunity to remove a spy.
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I 'm still suspicious, that dadi tries to flush out Liara. And yes, two people claiming the same role is suspicious too. Adonniel seems to be convinced, that Serza is the clone, if I interpret her post correctly, so she tries to convince us, she is Garrus? I 'm nor convinced here. I like to give the question cave, adonniel, why so suspicious if gervaise? Just curious, I try to get a bigger perspective here. The same question goes to romice. Don't you think aggressively claiming to be Garrus is foolheardy if you are actually not, considering that the following morning you will wake up dead with a bullet in your head even if you somehow dodge the voting? How else will Garrus react to someone taking their role? If I were a spy I'd be claiming a floating role (which is actually something that was I assumed I am) and saying that space/serza/og are evil because those are also floating roles and they don't fit on my chart. Spies will not claim Legion or Garrus because this will make them dead. Serza is an evil clone who want's one of the soldier roles or a spy faking evil clone. That's why he hinted Garrus or maybe he was even hinting Ashley as Space pointed out. Round 1 we had 4 voting bandwagons. Gerva, who is a highly active and analytical players, had stayed out of it until the very last 4th bandwagon which he started. So, when you're analyzing who had voted in parallel with who you can't even link any players to him. After I stated that this was suspicious and next round I intend to interrogate him for it - note intend means requires farther investigation not a hole in the head - he became extremely active and at the same time overly secretive. Gerva says we aren't allowed to claim roles. No one is asking him to claim one. But, there is a huge difference between avoiding the question and making a vague hint. - We are allowed to make hints in this game. - In my opinion he's avoiding and being slippery rather than hinting and he's using the story 'we aren't allowed to claim roles' as means to justify his extremely dodgy answers. Gerva claims that revealing his role will endanger him. But also claims he isn't an important role. So lol, HOW is he in danger. We have Mira and Kas as good as revealed. These players cannot even be framed - real candidates to kick the bucket in danger of spies. Than we have Garrus and Liara the spies would want to target. IF (and I strongly doubt) Gerva isn't evil, then his death on the spy list is at the rock bottom - hey a floating role in a fight with another hero. How is he in danger from the spies soooo very much that he just must keep his identity very very secret. After I've posted my list with my guesses based on the game info so far and po I'm assuming 3 spies because Dragon said she wants a change from 2 and 4 spies will overpower 11 players too easily. Seems the most likely number. 1. spy 2. spy 3. spy 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli 8. Dia - space 9. Clone - serz 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. Wrex - OG
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 15:51:40 GMT
I might not pick up as many clues as others, because I only know one third of ME. I don't know who most of the people, you guys are referring to, are. That evil clone is still a mystery, why is that thing on our side, if it's an evil clone? Is it like Peeves or Filch in the Harry Potter novels? You can spoil me, if you like. So I try to go by behavior and reasoning here. And there seems to be one role who is important, because she can investigate every night, and that is Liara. This game doesn't seem to have a protective role like Cullen in the other game, the protective roles here only can use their ability once per game and some of them have to guess right, before they can protect like Kasumi, so their ability might only come into play if they are lucky. I 'm still suspicious, that dadi tries to flush out Liara. And yes, two people claiming the same role is suspicious too. Adonniel seems to be convinced, that Serza is the clone, if I interpret her post correctly, so she tries to convince us, she is Garrus? I 'm nor convinced here. I like to give the question cave, adonniel, why so suspicious if gervaise? Just curious, I try to get a bigger perspective here. The same question goes to romice. tarnation my keyboard disconnected and I didn't finish the post. Part 2 Lets continue. After we had that nice talk how Gerva isn't any important role. I've posted a chart, which is my present guess for all the roles. I said that Gerva doesn't fit on it. To this Gerva said that my chart is wrong and also implied that one of the roles I've assigned to someone is actually his. However, that being said, Gerva has completely REFUSED to clarify which or to go into further investigation. Why refuse? If someone was hinting at MY role, I'd be screaming that this person is evil. I didn't just randomly pick the roles form the skies, I assigned them because the players were hinting at those roles. I'm assuming Gerva doesn't want to point a finger at anyone because a) this will bring them into a conflict with that person and this will expose who's right. Why would you be afraid of exposing which person is right if you aren't evil? Also, if you start digging further at which role I may have assigned to a wrong person instead of Gerva, then this knocks off the list ALL roles except spy#3 slot in case we have just 2 spies or Serza. But, Gerva hinted earlier that she's an alien role. Evil Clone is a question if they're alien or not. If there is a role conflict on my list and someone was hinting at what they're not, I feel it's important to correct that misconception because this will reveal which party is lying. Dodging revealing which party is telling a lie smells fishy. I'm assuming 3 spies because Dragon said she wants a change from 2 and 4 spies will overpower 11 players too easily. Three seems the most likely number. 1. spy 2. spy 3. spy 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli 8. Dia - space 9. Clone - serz 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. Wrex - OG This is how I see the role list at present. I realize that I could be completely wrong and I'm open to changing it, but saying 'hey I know something you do not' and then refusing to say what sounds like a dodgy spy business.
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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2017 16:01:40 GMT
I'm sitting here and wondering...
When exactly did I become an evil clone?
I guess I'll stop wondering whether anyone ever drowned in that massive lake. Because I'll drown someone in it myself!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:03:12 GMT
I'm sitting here and wondering... When exactly did I become an evil clone? I guess I'll stop wondering whether anyone ever drowned in that massive lake. Because I'll drown someone in it myself! Since you claimed to be Aniken and then hinted at Garrus?
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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2017 16:19:01 GMT
Two questions.
Who's Aniken? When have I hinted at Garrus?
I might go have to get Garrus' girl, who just by the way is my little sister, to explain this to you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:30:00 GMT
I never met this Thrawn so far - and he can't be cooler than Garrus anyway to stay in the ME universe But you, Serza, were awful quick to jump on the bandwagon. I do believe Space Cowboy might be MEs version of Rita Skeeter, the way he urged people to vote for me. But you jumped right in - why? Fine, let me reiterate. Out of the two of you, Pela signed up second, you first. You thus occupy the first place on the two-lass list. (I'm starting with finger pointing at you, for each word I say the finger changes. Each word by either of you's names indicates finger jumps there when I say it) So there's... Fylimar Meeny Moe An By Toe He Fire Thanix Meeny Moe Pelassarias Eeny Miny Catch Agent The If Hollers The Eeny Miny As you can see the finger goes back to you. I literally have no better way to randomize beyond using an RNG (and trust me I could - ArmA's perfect for that sort of easy scripting!). I mean, I could change my vote if I get a better reason to vote for someone than utter and complete randomness, but so far, I have none. I'm not entirely sure who to vote for... Still a guessing game at this point. Btw, speaking of reporters- I"m cackling at the idea of Khalisah al-Jilani being a character/and or villian in one of these games. I assume her power would incorporate snide insinuations and/or disingenuous assertions lmao. Heh. Major nostalgia rn. Suits you fine. Randomness (on the first day!) is rewarded with nothing but suspicion. Oh well. I guess it ISN'T paranoia if they're really after you. I'll just go back to cleaning my rifle. That's not the real Sherlock, just an imposter. He deserves everything he gets. Fair point. No huge ones yet, but tbh I just want to get this game moving, and there isn't really much to go off on atm either. Pela, I'm wondering why you are not defending yourself against the vote. I realize it was random, but still. You mean you have a reason for me to change vote? The villains know which roles are not in play and if they want cover they might impersonate a role since no one will tell them 'no I'm this role, you're evil.' I'm disinclined to think there is Diana in this game, so, if someone claims Diana I'm likely to suspect they're spies faking inno. That's an interesting point what if the evil clone chooses a role not in play, are they informed or they spend a round pretending a role not in play? I don't know, you seem to underestimate Anakin's RNG's power. Could be any role in play far as we know, and from here it depends whether you want to presume innocence or guilt. I'm going to stick Pela to the bottom of my suspect list. She was just evil in two parallel games. Unless Dragon is pulling our leg for lulz so we'd never guess, her chances of being evil again don't seem star struck. I mean maybe, but unlikely. Great, now that that's sorted, all I have is nine more people to suspect. So... You claim you're innocent and so is Pela? How do we know you're not actually both spies, covering for each other? Here. Garrus says he calibrates his weapons all the time.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2017 16:42:10 GMT
Here. Garrus says he calibrates his weapons all the time. Ashley says she is cleaning her rifles in ME1 as default line when she has nothing new to say. EDIT Just saying. This was merely for in game info, not assigning a role to anyone for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:50:19 GMT
Here. Garrus says he calibrates his weapons all the time. Ashley says she is cleaning her rifles in ME1 as default line when she has nothing new to say. EDIT Just saying. This was merely for in game info, not assigning a role to anyone for them. Than what's all this talk from Gerva about being oh so unsure about who Garrus is. Unlike me, wouldn't he know the difference between Ashley claim and Garrus claim? Why not say, 'I think Serza was hinting at Ahsley.' Rather than casting suspicion on me by saying there is a duplicate roles claim if there actually isn't one. Unless Serza did claim Garrus and now backpedaling. In ME 1 Ashley says to me that she doesn't have time to talk. Never heard the rifles line from her. But, my renegade Shep is mean to her. Maybe later in the game?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2017 16:58:02 GMT
Ashley says she is cleaning her rifles in ME1 as default line when she has nothing new to say. EDIT Just saying. This was merely for in game info, not assigning a role to anyone for them. Than what's all this talk from Gerva about being oh so unsure about who Garrus is. Unlike me, wouldn't he know the difference between Ashley claim and Garrus claim? Why not say, 'I think Serza was hinting at Ahsley.' Rather than casting suspicion on me by saying there is a duplicate roles claim if there actually isn't one. Unless Serza did claim Garrus and now backpedaling. In ME 1 Ashley says to me that she doesn't have time to talk. Never heard the rifles line from her. But, my renegade Shep is mean to her. Maybe later in the game? It's been a while but I definitely remember Ash saying she has to clean the rifles so doesnt have time to talk. Maybe later yeah. I doubt its because of Shep being mean to her though. I'm really bad with clues and could be misreading. Is it possible Gerva is the clone? Or maybe a spy? I don't want to come across as defending anyone, just trying to piece all the clues together.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 27, 2017 17:01:04 GMT
I trust gervaise21, more than the people, he suspects anyway. I'm torn between adonniel and dadi at the moment, but because of his last strange posts ( first saying, he can't hint, then almost giving the role away and then saying, he has claimed that role before), I vote dadithinkimgayUnless you are Liara I find it odd that you are so willing to trust gervaise. I have a feeling that you aren't, however, because you would have a full list of people you'd trust by now. And I've explained why I hid my role, which lasted, what, 5 minutes until I realized the previous conversation and how pointless it was for me to do that. Honest mistake. Also, I gave my role away (hinted at but pretty much gave it away) purposely and have never claimed that role once before. As of right now, I only believe Adonniel and Space to be innocent. Space's role is obvious and Adonniel seems to be actively engaged. On the naughty list I have you and Gervaise. Gervaise is a particularly sweet talker and easily persuasive. I noticed that in the current Skyhold round taking place, however, he actually turned out to be innoccent. He's a hard one to read. I may end up voting for you simply because you are mislabeling my actions. I owned up to what I have done, but, again, I've never claimed any role in this game until I responded to you earlier with my hint.
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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2017 17:01:07 GMT
Oh, I was referencing...
...this.
Definitely no Anakin hints.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 17:02:59 GMT
Than what's all this talk from Gerva about being oh so unsure about who Garrus is. Unlike me, wouldn't he know the difference between Ashley claim and Garrus claim? Why not say, 'I think Serza was hinting at Ahsley.' Rather than casting suspicion on me by saying there is a duplicate roles claim if there actually isn't one. Unless Serza did claim Garrus and now backpedaling. In ME 1 Ashley says to me that she doesn't have time to talk. Never heard the rifles line from her. But, my renegade Shep is mean to her. Maybe later in the game? It's been a while but I definitely remember Ash saying she has to clean the rifles so doesnt have time to talk. Maybe later yeah. I doubt its because of Shep being mean to her though. I'm really bad with clues and could be misreading. Is it possible Gerva is the clone? Or maybe a spy? I don't want to come across as defending anyone, just trying to piece all the clues together. If Serza was hinting Ashley all along and Gerva claims I've overlapped something it would look more like this. But, I seriously don't trust Evil Clone claim from Gerva because he said he's an alien. No idea if EC is actually an alien. 1. spy 2. spy 3. spy (could be another hero) 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli 8. Dia - space 9. floating role 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. floating role ___ dodgiest claims: Wrex - OG Evil Clone (or not hence alien) - Gerva Ashley - Serza All of these are floating roles and suspicious as idk what.
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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2017 17:05:43 GMT
How am I dodgy?
Because I've literally been hinting at my character for the entire game and nobody bothered to pick up on the fine points of those hints?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 17:13:58 GMT
How am I dodgy? Because I've literally been hinting at my character for the entire game and nobody bothered to pick up on the fine points of those hints? You have been hinting in such a way that a lot of people have mistaken your hints for Garrus. Hinting in a double edged manner at a role is something the spies do to leave themselves room to get dodgy and if they get cornered with one role to jump onto another role by pointing out 'oh you've misunderstood, I really meant another role.' Sounds convenient to hint at EC and Garrus and Ashley at the same time. Ashley is a floating role that was present in the previous game. Makes this role claim questionable on its own, but this one isn't more questionable than any other floating role claim. It's more of your voting behaviour. You've been prodding players for roles but in such a manner that doesn't say invest to me, more like a person with a secret agenda a spy or EC. Made me think EC at first. But, you've just denied being EC.... Of course it is convenient to say you've been misunderstood and claim Ashley. Now I'm really unsure who you are.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2017 17:14:01 GMT
It's been a while but I definitely remember Ash saying she has to clean the rifles so doesnt have time to talk. Maybe later yeah. I doubt its because of Shep being mean to her though. I'm really bad with clues and could be misreading. Is it possible Gerva is the clone? Or maybe a spy? I don't want to come across as defending anyone, just trying to piece all the clues together. If Serza was hinting Ashley all along and Gerva claims I've overlapped something it would look more like this. But, I seriously don't trust Evil Clone claim from Gerva because he said he's an alien. No idea if EC is actually an alien. 1. spy 2. spy 3. spy (could be another hero) 4. Lia 5. Mira - tit 6. Garrus 7. Kas - fyli 8. Dia - space 9. floating role 10. EDI - proven smiles 11. floating role ___ dodgiest claims: Wrex - OG Evil Clone (or not hence alien) - Gerva Ashley - Serza All of these are floating roles and suspicious as idk what. In game the evil clone can't be alien, thats true. Here I suppose they could impersonate an alien though. But yeah either way seems like two different claims.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 17:17:02 GMT
Bit of clarification needed. I thought that Serza was hinting a Garrus because like Adonniel I picked up on that reference to cleaning his rifle and also a pining for Tali post and Garrus gets together with Tali if neither of them are with Shepard. Also Adonniel suggesting Serza was a Clone and then hinting she was Garrus naturally seemed to confirm the hints I was picking up on.
Anyway, apparently Serza seems to have confirmed my assertion that your list is wrong with regard to him. Now do you know who I am? Vote me off if you must but I am not a spy.
Incidentally anyone who still thinks Fylimar is a spy needs their brains testing. Who in the hell do you think saved Miranda last night?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2017 17:25:35 GMT
I voted as per the role I'm given. Nothing to do with suspicion on anyone then. I've to say though, the tea remark is puzzling so I'm wondering about the person too. I totally missed the tea remark. There is no mention of tea in game that I remember so was probably literally that poster talking about getting some literal tea
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 17:30:07 GMT
Bit of clarification needed. I thought that Serza was hinting a Garrus because like Adonniel I picked up on that reference to cleaning his rifle and also a pining for Tali post and Garrus gets together with Tali if neither of them are with Shepard. Also Adonniel suggesting Serza was a Clone and then hinting she was Garrus naturally seemed to confirm the hints I was picking up on. Anyway, apparently Serza seems to have confirmed my assertion that you list is wrong with regard to him. Now do you know who I am? Vote me off if you must but I am not a spy. Incidentally anyone who still thinks Fylimar is a spy needs their brains testing. Who in the hell do you think saved Miranda last night? Gerva, you and Serza are like this this round: I'll just 'role hint' at very vague and slippery something that's really nothing and can be read as three things at the same time. What I am suppose to make of claims like that other than totally spy or EC who might potentially side with spies. Er... well no I'm not sure who you are. This would mean you're EC after you claimed alien? Just seems odd. We haven't really gotten anything out of romice and pela though. These two also need poking.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2017 17:32:30 GMT
Here I suppose they could impersonate an alien though.
If the Evil Clone is impersonating an alien character they are going to imply they are an alien, even if the reality is somewhat different. Otherwise the rules should state they can only impersonate a human character.
If the Evil Clone is impersonating an important character then they are going to act as though they are that character. If they are expected to say "I am an Evil Clone", there is not much point in having the role.
"Each day, you must impersonate one of the hero roles by giving at least one hint. How subtle the hint is, is up to you." There is nothing in the rules that says you must be obvious in your hints.
Why is it necessary to make obvious hints as to your identity in order to be presumed innocent?
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ღ Grumpy Old Man
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Space Cowboy
They call me a Space Cowboy
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Aug 17, 2016 20:09:17 GMT
August 2016
spacecowboy
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2017 17:40:45 GMT
Here I suppose they could impersonate an alien though.
If the Evil Clone is impersonating an alien character they are going to imply they are an alien, even if the reality is somewhat different. Otherwise the rules should state they can only impersonate a human character.
If the Evil Clone is impersonating an important character then they are going to act as though they are that character. If they are expected to say "I am an Evil Clone", there is not much point in having the role.
"Each day, you must impersonate one of the hero roles by giving at least one hint. How subtle the hint is, is up to you." There is nothing in the rules that says you must be obvious in your hints.
Why is it necessary to make obvious hints as to your identity in order to be presumed innocent?
I agree with you, just trying to stay neutral in the discussion. I've figured out very few roles really. I'm certainly not pointing fingers at anyone and saying they are that. (well except the person I voted for ) Really, it's just me analyzing things in my own way.
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The Pathfinder
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Serza
Rendering planets viable since 2017
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August 2016
serza
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2017 17:48:08 GMT
How am I dodgy? Because I've literally been hinting at my character for the entire game and nobody bothered to pick up on the fine points of those hints? You have been hinting in such a way that a lot of people have mistaken your hints for Garrus. Hinting in a double edged manner at a role is something the spies do to leave themselves room to get dodgy and if they get cornered with one role to jump onto another role by pointing out 'oh you've misunderstood, I really meant another role.' Sounds convenient to hint at EC and Garrus and Ashley at the same time. Ashley is a floating role that was present in the previous game. Makes this role claim questionable on its own, but this one isn't more questionable than any other floating role claim. It's more of your voting behaviour. You've been prodding players for roles but in such a manner that doesn't say invest to me, more like a person with a secret agenda a spy or EC. Made me think EC at first. But, you've just denied being EC.... Of course it is convenient to say you've been misunderstood and claim Ashley. Now I'm really unsure who you are. Alright. Go back those fourteen or so pages, and give me every hint of mine that points at Garrus, and I'll explain why it doesn't point at him. Seriously, I remember paraphrasing Whitman many pages ago. How would Garrus even KNOW about Walt Whitman?
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