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Post by dragontartare on Feb 29, 2020 20:05:18 GMT
However, references in the narrative to "glowing" and the indoctrinated flying actually make me think of biotics more than anything else. So you think the "glowing eyes" mean someone with biotics was attacked? Also could the reference to the "prophet" mean Niftu Cal? I know he was a self declared god rather than a prophet but it could be a hint. May be he saved a fellow biotic. Also, Dragon, I am going to hope you are a hero because otherwise we are in serious trouble based off the roles I think you could be. I think the reference to the prophet is that NPC that yells at Shepard in ME2 if you interrupt his preaching. I figured it was for flavor. I actually thought the savior was a biotic, based on the narrative, though the references are far from definitive. If true, that could make the savior Niftu Cal or Aria.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 29, 2020 20:50:15 GMT
Might as well double post and ask a question while we wait Space and Gervaise, are you human?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 29, 2020 21:25:40 GMT
However, references in the narrative to "glowing" and the indoctrinated flying actually make me think of biotics more than anything else. So you think the "glowing eyes" mean someone with biotics was attacked? Also could the reference to the "prophet" mean Niftu Cal? I know he was a self declared god rather than a prophet but it could be a hint. May be he saved a fellow biotic. Also, Dragon, I am going to hope you are a hero because otherwise we are in serious trouble based off the roles I think you could be. I think it was just a reference to the mad prophet on Omega
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Post by seven on Feb 29, 2020 22:09:10 GMT
You see, if I had been on the spy team I would have suggested targeting someone else because the spies could then attempt to frame one or both of us the next voting round, as so long as the alignment of Charr's LI is unknown they could both potentially be evil. By attacking the LI, thus causing Charr's protection to activate, they have effectively shown both lovers to be heroes.
Gervaise, stop giving the bad guys ideas ! dadithinkimgay - sorry, cant get the multiple quote thing to work Technically I should be able to I guess, but, I don't recall it being mentioned.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 1, 2020 9:09:00 GMT
Pela, did we decide that humans should be regarded as a Council race or not? pelassarias
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Post by seven on Mar 1, 2020 9:15:20 GMT
I don't think we did. I didn't think they were but assumed they were to not rule anything out.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Mar 1, 2020 11:08:28 GMT
Hey everyone, the narrative was suppose to go out today, but unfortunately my terrible timing for falling sick and having a bit of a health scare has struck once again (I would go into a bit more detail on it, but it's pretty gross ). But everything's fine and better now, so the narrative will arrive tomorrow. Hope everything's alright,pela Speaking about health scare's this coronavirus has really created a pandemonium here...But i'm guessing that is the case in everyone's country. No,i am not!
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Post by pelassarias on Mar 1, 2020 17:45:51 GMT
Pela, did we decide that humans should be regarded as a Council race or not? pelassarias I think we talked about it,if I remember correctly , and I decided to have them count as a council race based on my interpretations. (Anderson or Udina becoming a human councilor towards the end of the first game, Shepard having significant influence in the galaxy and politics throughout the trilogy, etc).
If players don't necessarily agree with this however, I'm open to discussion about this.
Also, Hero, yeah that virus is causing a bit of a panic over where I'm at as well, amongst a lot of other places. So I hope everyone stays safe in the meantime.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 1, 2020 17:47:36 GMT
I thought humans became a council race as soon as they got a councilor? Edit: pela posted before I refreshed the page. Obviously I agree
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Post by seven on Mar 2, 2020 2:09:44 GMT
Long story short - I just finished ME1 last night which kinda suggested they did become council races.
I'll post screenshots tonight if anyone is interested.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 2, 2020 8:42:36 GMT
It would be helpful if a few more people gave their view on who they think was the protector overnight as there seems a difference of opinion on how to interpret the narrative.
This is important because if Dadi didn't protect me overnight then there is no actual proof he is Charr. As Dragon pointed out after he "saved" me from the tie-breaker, up to then there had seemed no evidence of Charr being in the game. So if the spies had realised this, then one of them could immitate Charr safely knowing they would not be found out until it was too late to do anything about it. However, if Dadi is Charr, then since I am a hero so is he and thus it narrows down the possibilities for the spies.
As I thought the narrative pointed towards Charr saving me (even though there are problems with this), this would leave the choice of spies between Seven, Dragon, Space and Hero.
Seven is a council race and says that technically they can use biotics even though it is not in the character description. So likely one of the Asari or Oriana (who I assume can use biotics like her sister - correct me if I am wrong). However, as Oriana gives blanket protection, if she is in the game and good then I'd have thought she would have used it by now. There is nothing in the narative to suggest that Oriana was the saviour last night so I am ruling out that role for the present.
Dragon is a council race and can definitely use biotics. This means she is profiling similar roles to Seven, plus one other.
Space is familiar with the Citadel and has not yet answered Dragon's question about whether he is human or not. This could be an oversight on his part or possibly he knows his answer would be too revealing, so has been waiting to see what other people say first.
Hero is male and not human, which narrows him down to just 3 roles, two of which are protection roles but not guaranteed good, which is why it is vital to establish who was responsible for saving the hero in the night.
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Post by seven on Mar 2, 2020 9:41:01 GMT
I know saying this will make me a target over night, but we are running on a small margin for error here. Bad guys, if you could please look away for now I have not used my *ahem* skill yet. Also, secret not confirming but not denying handwave gesture to what Gervaise said.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 2, 2020 11:14:49 GMT
I totally missed Dragons question. Thanks Gervaise.
I’m not human.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 2, 2020 18:30:00 GMT
Well I have now narrowed down the possible roles still further but, of course, that doesn't help much because all of them can be either hero or villain. I've already said that I'm hoping Dragon is a hero because of the potential for harm from her likely roles. So on that basis, Dragon have you any idea who you are voting for? dragontartare
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 2, 2020 19:13:14 GMT
Not yet. I'll be updating my notes this evening now that we have more clues, though. I'll cast an initial vote at that time.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 2, 2020 19:21:35 GMT
I'm convinced the spies targeted Gervaise to call my bluff. Unless it was a blanket protection, It wouldn't make much sense for another person to waste their power like that, considering the fact that I am already protecting Gervaise. I bluffed about my power last game, it'd make total sense for them to think I did it again.
I'm worried about who to vote out this round. From my perspective, it's definitely between Hero, Dragon, Seven, and Space. We just have to narrow it down. That being said, I'm curious as to who the others will vote for. I'm going to see what happens between the 4 before I cast mine.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 2, 2020 21:14:17 GMT
One think occurs to me, Gervaise might not have been the one attacked. That would mean there is another protector out there, right?
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 3, 2020 0:35:38 GMT
Does Glyph count as male? Because if not, then we have a problem, because while Glyph clearly acted last night, we don't appear to have a Glyph. Here's what I have:
1. dadithinkimgay - Charr? has not spent much time on "that hub" (the Citadel) Could be: Nyreen, Kirrahe, Niftu Cal, Glyph, Oriana, Charr
2. gervaise - has spent a lot of time on the Citadel Is human Could be: Dr. Michel, Bailey
3. seven - countervoted for dadi technically should be able to use biotics, but it isn't mentioned Could be: Oriana, given that clue??
4. Space Cowboy - knows the Citadel well Not human Could be: Aria, Aethyta
5. Catilina - Feron
6. OG - Morinth
7. Hero - male Not human Could be: Kal'Reegar, Kirrahe, Niftu Cal
8. dragontartare - is council race Can use biotics Could be: Nyreen, Aria, Aethyta
The only possible Glyph I have is dadi, but if he's Charr, then no one else can be Glyph. If Glyph is male (whereas I thought of Glyph as technically genderless), then Hero would have to be Glyph.
Pela, would you have informed us if one of the players were blocked from voting during this round? (If so, then no one has been blocked, which means Glyph is good.)
Right now, my suspicion is on seven. If you're good Oriana, why not use your blanket protection power on night 1, rather than risk being eliminated before you could use it at all? I suspect either you're not Oriana at all and are using her as a cover (assuming she isn't even in the game), or you're an evil Oriana.
Anyone see any glaring holes in this idea before I vote?
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Post by seven on Mar 3, 2020 0:41:53 GMT
First night is hit or miss, I tend to hoard my powers until I think they're most useful, in which case is kinda good for us this round because we are running out of heroes. If I use them first night, others might also use theirs at the same time, it kinda gets wasted if we are all doing the same time. Just some food for thought.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 3, 2020 2:08:33 GMT
Any thoughts about this part of the narrative?
This makes me think there is some sort of connection between one of the agents and whoever they attacked, but what? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 3, 2020 3:00:19 GMT
First night is hit or miss, I tend to hoard my powers until I think they're most useful, in which case is kinda good for us this round because we are running out of heroes. If I use them first night, others might also use theirs at the same time, it kinda gets wasted if we are all doing the same time. Just some food for thought. interesting indeed Edit: We are all probably reading too much into it. Here’s the deal. I only Know that I can protect Gervaise. It’s debatable if Gevaise was targeted. Whoever has a protection role 100% has a better understanding, on their side, how things went. IF someone has a protection role and they used it for someone other than Gervaise or myself - well, then, done deal. But that’s up to them. If they protected myself, then they’d know that I was targeted, which means I’m innocent, which makes Gervaise innocent. If they protected Gervaise, it doesn’t count for my innocence, but it sure does count for Gervaise. From that, how would I know Gervaise is innocent? I know I had a lucky guess from last game, but it’d be especially risky for me to *pretend* to be a role and simultaneously declare my love in the same round. And let’s just say Gervaise is evil - that would mean that I am evil, which means someone other than myself DEFINITELY used their ability. No one has even made any hint to say as such. So, as I was saying, if a player protected someone last night, it’s completely up to them to vote accordingly- even if they were Kal, they wouldn’t have anything to lose as the game is cutting pretty short... The fact that no one has spoken up makes me think otherwise. Gervaise is now in danger. So.... Dragon, Space, Seven, and Hero are making me think right now.... and I trust none of them
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 3, 2020 3:54:53 GMT
Any thoughts about this part of the narrative? This makes me think there is some sort of connection between one of the agents and whoever they attacked, but what? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it? Could be a clue to their role, but no idea what it would be.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 3, 2020 18:50:59 GMT
The only possible Glyph I have is dadi, but if he's Charr, then no one else can be Glyph. If Glyph is male (whereas I thought of Glyph as technically genderless), then Hero would have to be Glyph. To be honest, the moment I saw in the narrative that Glyph was in the game I thought it was probably Space as he was the only person who categorically stated he knew the Citadel well. (which Glyph does in the Citadel DLC). Then Space saying he was not human pretty much clinched it as the only people familiar with the Citadel are human apart from Glyph. I certainly wouldn't think he was either Aria or Aethyta as I wouldn't say either of them know the Citadel "well". So unless it becomes apparent that someone is unable to vote this round, that would suggest Space is good Glyph. Suggesting Space is either Aria or Aethyta also presents something of a problem to me since I thought they were two of the roles you were most likely to be, Dragon. Which is why I said it would be bad news for us if you are evil as it would rebound on us if we tried to vote you off. There is one other role you could be, so in view of what you said regarding Space, I am going with that. I agree with your probable roles for Hero; Kal'Reager; Kirrahe or Niftu Cal. I also agree with the likely role for Seven in view of the hints she has been giving. I'm going to have to trust Dadi because the narrative sounded to me like he saved me and the trouble is now that if someone votes for him it could be because they know they were doing the protecting last night or it could be a spy capitalising on the situation.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 3, 2020 19:20:56 GMT
The only possible Glyph I have is dadi, but if he's Charr, then no one else can be Glyph. If Glyph is male (whereas I thought of Glyph as technically genderless), then Hero would have to be Glyph. To be honest, the moment I saw in the narrative that Glyph was in the game I thought it was probably Space as he was the only person who categorically stated he knew the Citadel well. (which Glyph does in the Citadel DLC). Then Space saying he was not human pretty much clinched it as the only people familiar with the Citadel are human apart from Glyph. I certainly wouldn't think he was either Aria or Aethyta as I wouldn't say either of them know the Citadel "well". So unless it becomes apparent that someone is unable to vote this round, that would suggest Space is good Glyph. Suggesting Space is either Aria or Aethyta also presents something of a problem to me since I thought they were two of the roles you were most likely to be, Dragon. Which is why I said it would be bad news for us if you are evil as it would rebound on us if we tried to vote you off. There is one other role you could be, so in view of what you said regarding Space, I am going with that. I agree with your probable roles for Hero; Kal'Reager; Kirrahe or Niftu Cal. I also agree with the likely role for Seven in view of the hints she has been giving. I'm going to have to trust Dadi because the narrative sounded to me like he saved me and the trouble is now that if someone votes for him it could be because they know they were doing the protecting last night or it could be a spy capitalising on the situation. I see your point about Glyph and Citadel DLC, though Aria and Aethyta both spend the majority of ME3 on the Citadel (Aria kind of hanging out, and Aethyta running the cafe) which is why I thought of them. I'll need to re-evaluate possible roles, but since no one has come forward to suggest that they, not dadi, were last night's savior, I'm inclined to believe the Charr theory for now. That would put the spies as seven, and either space or hero (whoever isn't Glyph). I'm casting an initial vote for seven for all the reasons I gave earlier, but I'm open to changing if this vote encourages anyone to give up more information.
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