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Post by paridave42 on Nov 22, 2017 18:42:39 GMT
There was a reason MEA died an ugly death while the multiplayer lived on for a bit... micro transactions. Now EA has released Battlefront 2 and the shit is hitting the fans because of... loot crates... Seriously. EA is being called out for their predatory practices. Will this have an effect on future Bioware games? I would suspect so in that multi-player maybe scaled back to where the money they make isn't worth the money they make, which might be really good for single player story lines.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 22, 2017 18:51:42 GMT
Hmmm, there's quite a few leaps in there, OP. The next obvious sign of company direction will be Anthem, I reckon.
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Post by geralt on Nov 22, 2017 20:00:57 GMT
This story is still very much a fluid situation and thus still unfolding. So it's still very hard to tell what the ultimate outcome of it all will be. It's at least proved once more if enough people band together and refuse to handover money, ONLY THEN will EA start to listen. While a win in the temp pulling of lootboxes, it's only a battle won and not the war. If EA bring something else back into SWBF2 but not as outrageous and enough of the masses tolerate it, then we'll just see things gradually return over time after EA proved they went way too far at this present moment.
What the regulators decide will also play a huge part in how this will end up too. If lootboxes are indeed ruled as gambling, then in some major countries that would result in games vanishing out of site, as they would earn a certification of "adult" putting it alongside the likes of pornography and other extreme content. Which would mean it can't be displayed in unlicensed premises, and would be de-listed from store website searches. In short their potential to market a product out would be so curtailed it would actually be pointless having the lootboxes included for the game earning such a limiting rating.
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Post by abaris on Nov 22, 2017 20:39:56 GMT
SWBF2 got a lot of flak even in mainstream media for the shameless cash grabbing it features. That's highly unusual and probably even more damaging than if it was confined to the dedicated game mags. Good for Bioware? I don't think so, seeing as their next game is Anthem. A game concept that can only be successful via microtransactions.
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Post by Cyberfrog on Nov 22, 2017 21:05:31 GMT
There was a reason MEA died an ugly death while the multiplayer lived on for a bit... micro transactions. I very much doubt it. Where's the MP DLC financed by these microtransactions? Oh, the "games as a service" nonsense isn't going away. My hope is that publishers will again become averse to the perception of giving players competitive advantages if they pay extra. For the record, I don't support a ban. But when a game allows you to "gamble" with real money, I do support M-rating the game.
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Post by abaris on Nov 22, 2017 21:07:53 GMT
For the record, I don't support a ban. But when a game allows you to "gamble" with real money, I do support M-rating the game. That would be outright illegal in some countries. Where the state holds a monopoly on gambling.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 23, 2017 2:37:28 GMT
Yup, fortunately Belgium stepped in to safe the day. This is getting very ugly fast and I couldn't be happier. At the very least it should mean fewer micro-transactions for Anthem. EA MAY finally learn from their mistakes.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 23, 2017 3:18:05 GMT
I don't see how this is good for Bioware. All EA has to do is dump the RNG to their microTs and they'll still make bank, there is a proper way to do microTs and EA should know better being how they've got highs with less aggressive setups.
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Post by Scathane on Nov 23, 2017 4:04:25 GMT
Yup, fortunately Belgium stepped in to safe the day. This is getting very ugly fast and I couldn't be happier. At the very least it should mean fewer micro-transactions for Anthem. EA MAY finally learn from their mistakes. Authorities in the Netherlands are investigating Loot Boxes as well: if turns out they should be considered gambling, all games containing them would face a sales prohibition for the Low Lands. We're one of those countries abaris mentioned... ← While this is true for casinos, I checked and this isn't the case now. The matter to be decided upon now is whether loot boxes should be considered gambling. If so, one would need a government license but - since the Netherlands currently only has a license system in place for offline gambling - online games containing the same element are automatically in violation by providing unlicensed gambling and would thus be faced with a sales prohibition... #kafkaeatyourheartout
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 4:07:21 GMT
All gamers and their parents have to do is keep themselves disciplined. Bon't buy that shit and don't even look at the store for microtr-DLC. Really, it should not stop with EA. We deserve better than half finished games in which we fund the patches and remaining percentages of the full unbroken games. It's a trend that's been tolerated for over a decade and it's well past time for everyone to say enough is enough. I was so excited for GT Sport until I saw what a train wreck it is-- same for Dlcstiny during its original unvieling, There's so many games I couldn't give two fucks for if I poured over the globe twice over that it's so underwhelmming looking at all these lame franchises and the ones from yesteryear before their proverbial souls were swallowed up. So I say, keep up with the Batterfont thrashing. They deserve it... with no vaseline.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 23, 2017 4:21:12 GMT
Yup, fortunately Belgium stepped in to safe the day. This is getting very ugly fast and I couldn't be happier. At the very least it should mean fewer micro-transactions for Anthem. EA MAY finally learn from their mistakes. Authorities in the Netherlands are investigating Loot Boxes as well: if turns out they should be considered gambling, all games containing them would face a sales prohibition for the Low Lands. We're one of those countries abaris mentioned... ← While this is true for casinos, I checked and this isn't the case now. The matter to be decided upon now is whether loot boxes should be considered gambling. If so, one would need a government license but - since the Netherlands currently only has a license system in place for offline gambling - online games containing the same element are automatically in violation by providing unlicensed gambling and would thus be faced with a sales prohibition... #kafkaeatyourheartout So it's pretty bad for all people Belgium who wanted Battlefront 2.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 23, 2017 4:25:13 GMT
I wouldn't start to celebrate yet, for there is still plenty of room for the investigations to fall apart. I know I always bring this up, but don't forget what Blizzard did with China by finding a loophole in the new regulations so even if they do legislate they will do as little as possible to change the system to fit within the new rules and guidelines if there isn't corporate pushback. Depending on how the legislation is worded it might target other companies which then will join with the publishers and put pressure on the government not to pass the law. Of course then there could be just the publishers deciding that lootbox transactions are more important then the Belgian market and just geoblock them.
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Post by Scathane on Nov 23, 2017 4:27:50 GMT
Authorities in the Netherlands are investigating Loot Boxes as well: if turns out they should be considered gambling, all games containing them would face a sales prohibition for the Low Lands. We're one of those countries abaris mentioned... ← While this is true for casinos, I checked and this isn't the case now. The matter to be decided upon now is whether loot boxes should be considered gambling. If so, one would need a government license but - since the Netherlands currently only has a license system in place for offline gambling - online games containing the same element are automatically in violation by providing unlicensed gambling and would thus be faced with a sales prohibition... #kafkaeatyourheartout So it's pretty bad for all people Belgium who wanted Battlefront 2. Not really, our southern neighbours have not yet prohibited the game either. AFAIK, the only thing that's happened is that a Belgian Minister/State Secretary has publicly called for a prohibition of loot boxed games in Europe, so nothing definitive as of yet...
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Post by Fredward on Nov 23, 2017 4:32:39 GMT
Lol people hate EA so much they managed to bring legislative attention to its practices, that's actually funny. I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand, apparently multiplayer sales made up 61% of EAs revenue this year and I'm also pretty sure I read somewhere that lootboxes are turning out to be one of the most effective ways of getting people engaged with MP purchases (cuz it totally fucking is gambling). EA will not want to milk this cow so hard it dies. I also can't imagine any other large companies employing the same tactics will appreciate disproportionate attention drawn to it. I don't think think MP or microtransactions are going anywhere mind you but EA learning that if you miff gamers they're obsessive enough to do more than harm the immediate sales of your game isn't a bad thing.
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Post by PillarBiter on Nov 23, 2017 7:46:13 GMT
So it's pretty bad for all people Belgium who wanted Battlefront 2. Not really, our southern neighbours have not yet prohibited the game either. AFAIK, the only thing that's happened is that a Belgian Minister/State Secretary has publicly called for a prohibition of loot boxed games in Europe, so nothing definitive as of yet... It actually even got the state media's attention in belgium. And if anyone can blow anything up, it's them.
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Post by goishen on Nov 23, 2017 17:33:28 GMT
Holy hell.
SW : The Online Casino Version (formerly SWBF2) represents just greed on the part of EA, and furthermore, Disney. Pure and simple, black and white, greed. Not keeping the lights on for the next few years. Not keeping the developers working. Not even keeping those fat cats happy at the top. Pure and simple greed.
I certainly wonder how places like Iceberg Interactive makes money, because they are making money. I certainly wonder how places like TTG are making money. Because they are making money.
Take this fucking "games as a service" and stuff it right straight in your asshole. Because that's where shit belongs.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 23, 2017 18:38:52 GMT
All gamers and their parents have to do is keep themselves disciplined. Bon't buy that shit and don't even look at the store for microtr-DLC. Really, it should not stop with EA. We deserve better than half finished games in which we fund the patches and remaining percentages of the full unbroken games. It's a trend that's been tolerated for over a decade and it's well past time for everyone to say enough is enough. I was so excited for GT Sport until I saw what a train wreck it is-- same for Dlcstiny during its original unvieling, There's so many games I couldn't give two fucks for if I poured over the globe twice over that it's so underwhelmming looking at all these lame franchises and the ones from yesteryear before their proverbial souls were swallowed up. So I say, keep up with the Batterfont thrashing. They deserve it... with no vaseline. Quoting an excellent post and gif. They don't get my money in the theaters (Disney Star Wars), they pay me well for making their shit and show it to me for free (Marvel), and I refuse to buy anything EA makes (BF2/MEA/Anthem) anymore after DAI proved to me that the gaming media is a shillfront and that trash games would now be rewarded according to back-door buttfuckery. Bad for EA, bad for BioWare. Bad for all mobile gaming, which warms my heart - the mobile internet is a fucking constant sales push shoved in your face, and it has to stop.
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Post by goishen on Nov 23, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
Quoting an excellent post and gif. They don't get my money in the theaters (Disney Star Wars), they pay me well for making their shit and show it to me for free (Marvel), and I refuse to buy anything EA makes (BF2/MEA/Anthem) anymore after DAI proved to me that the gaming media is a shillfront and that trash games would now be rewarded according to back-door buttfuckery. Bad for EA, bad for BioWare. Bad for all mobile gaming, which warms my heart - the mobile internet is a fucking constant sales push shoved in your face, and it has to stop. I knew that advertising was a juggernaut, but I thought that after Netflix, YouTube, etc had come out, that they would learn their lesson. Apparently not, 'cause these fucking millenial snowflakes believe everything that is told to them. Just like they believe everything that is told to them about copyright. "Oh, well, you are stealing! I don't care how much CD sales were up in the year that napster came out." Please, god, shut up. Next thing is that they are gonna be telling us all that high fructose corn syrup isn't as bad as sugar. Watch. Why? Because someone from General Mills told them so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 2:20:31 GMT
All gamers and their parents have to do is keep themselves disciplined. Bon't buy that shit and don't even look at the store for microtr-DLC. Really, it should not stop with EA. We deserve better than half finished games in which we fund the patches and remaining percentages of the full unbroken games. It's a trend that's been tolerated for over a decade and it's well past time for everyone to say enough is enough. I was so excited for GT Sport until I saw what a train wreck it is-- same for Dlcstiny during its original unvieling, There's so many games I couldn't give two fucks for if I poured over the globe twice over that it's so underwhelmming looking at all these lame franchises and the ones from yesteryear before their proverbial souls were swallowed up. So I say, keep up with the Batterfont thrashing. They deserve it... with no vaseline. Pretty much spot on, my friend.
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Post by buffharrier on Nov 25, 2017 4:25:31 GMT
Another fantastic studio and franchise bought and buried by EA games. RIP
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 25, 2017 5:12:48 GMT
Next thing is that they are gonna be telling us all that high fructose corn syrup isn't as bad as sugar. Watch. Why? Because someone from General Mills told them so. Well, there were those ads pushing that HFCS is good and you should feel good for buying it, when really all they should have said is that our pecan pies are ass without it.
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Post by goishen on Nov 25, 2017 5:23:03 GMT
Next thing is that they are gonna be telling us all that high fructose corn syrup isn't as bad as sugar. Watch. Why? Because someone from General Mills told them so. Well, there were those ads pushing that HFCS is good and you should feel good for buying it, when really all they should have said is that our pecan pies are ass without it. And what did I tell you?
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 26, 2017 4:02:33 GMT
There was a reason MEA died an ugly death while the multiplayer lived on for a bit... micro transactions. Now EA has released Battlefront 2 and the shit is hitting the fans because of... loot crates... Seriously. EA is being called out for their predatory practices. Will this have an effect on future Bioware games? I would suspect so in that multi-player maybe scaled back to where the money they make isn't worth the money they make, which might be really good for single player story lines. IF -and that's a big one- EA HAD any sense, THEY would have looked at the mess which multiplayer caused for Ubisoft and AC and said NOOOOO. PEOPLE play ME and DA NOT for the ONLINE CRAP, BUT FOR SINGLE PLAYER. And they -Ubi- still make a fortune out of it. But without the added drama. EA one the other hand, want to have both cakes and to eat them!
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Post by thedarkprince on Nov 26, 2017 7:29:29 GMT
Only reason they pulled the microtransactions from Battlefront 2 was because of Disney. If Disney didn't step in I doubt EA gave a damn about what gamers were saying about them. Unfortunately EA owns Mass Effect and Dragon Age, so Disney will not step in to help Bioware.
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