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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 29, 2017 15:21:26 GMT
Based on ME3, asari never had a substantial population. So while they technically could have more children it doesn't mean they would. We also don't have any idea how long a pregnancy takes. Salarians, while they can reproduce a lot, also have short life spans, which seems to work against them becoming too numerous. The ones who will obviously dominate the population are krogan, since each clutch can produce a lot of babies (increasing as genophage gets wiped out), they're extremely hardy and have long life spans.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Nov 29, 2017 21:36:10 GMT
Not to mention gestation periods for asari. Guessing they're on-par with human? Also Krogan...Because well um Kesh is expecting by the end of the game.
In terms of ME:A, I always wondered about the Asari. In Gil's mission, there's talk of chemical blockers. Throughout that mission, I got the impression that the writers forgot that the asari existed. It also felt like it was assumed that Alex would be in a heterosexual relationship with a human, and/or be interested in having human babies. Unless by chemical they're also including how asari use genetic information within themselves to create new asari since they take no RNA from their partners.
When Jill is talking with Alex, for example, she mentions removing those chemical blocks and maybe I missed something with the dialogue exchange, but I took it to mean that Jill was also removing them for Alex. Alex's reply would be, "that's nice, but my girlfriend is asari." Honestly, that whole mission was cringey.
If it was just the Initiative forgetting about them, are they leaving it up to the honor system? Peebee says she's in no hurry, Lexi has personal baggage, Sarissa also has baggage (read the datapads on Leusinia), and Keri doesn't say anything either way (though, I am guessing the assumption is that she would be too busy being a reporter to consider it). You think someone like Kalinda is going to wait for Tann or Addison to give her the green light? Sloane? ha ha ha.... Addison's friend ran away to have her kid.
If the Initiative just plain forgot, then yeah, there would be asari everywhere before humans or Turians.
When Cora makes the comment about what the Initiative militia will look like in a few hundred years, I had flashes of all the potential couples, including Alex having kids with Keri. It looked very blue...children of Athame all over the place.
Addison: *Skews her lips and glances between Alex and Keri* You can Embrace Eternity all you want, just no T'Vessa Tots yet...please.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 29, 2017 22:35:19 GMT
Yeah. That may not end well if the surrogate decides to keep the child... Taking it to extremes even.... there have been cases of such. relevance? Three examples: Surrogate commits suicide with child in hand to keep child. Surrogate kills the would be parents again to keep child. Surrogate kidnaps child to keep for themselves. Now I am not a mother nor father -nor would I ever want to be -AsexualityI however know someone who was a surrogate and they were all for it up to the birth. At which point the mother instinct kicked in and they wanted to keep the child.
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Post by sil on Nov 30, 2017 13:31:20 GMT
Based on ME3, asari never had a substantial population. So while they technically could have more children it doesn't mean they would. We also don't have any idea how long a pregnancy takes. Salarians, while they can reproduce a lot, also have short life spans, which seems to work against them becoming too numerous. The ones who will obviously dominate the population are krogan, since each clutch can produce a lot of babies (increasing as genophage gets wiped out), they're extremely hardy and have long life spans. There are a few lore sources that make it clear the asari are the most widespread species, likely due to the thousands of years of exploration and growth they have.
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Post by mannyray on Nov 30, 2017 21:20:37 GMT
Three examples: Surrogate commits suicide with child in hand to keep child. Surrogate kills the would be parents again to keep child. Surrogate kidnaps child to keep for themselves. Now I am not a mother nor father -nor would I ever want to be -AsexualityI however know someone who was a surrogate and they were all for it up to the birth. At which point the mother instinct kicked in and they wanted to keep the child. Again, relevance to the topic at hand? The issue simply was "can it be done."
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Post by vonuber on Nov 30, 2017 21:25:42 GMT
In the MET, humans were far more numerous than any other species population wise, based on codex entries. It was bonkers, and largely down to Earth having nearly double the population of, for example, Thessia.
Earth: 11.4 Billion Thessia: 5.5 Billion Palaven: 6.1 Billion Sur'Kesh is the only one that comes close at 10.3 Billion.
Adding up all the Asari colonies mentioned in the game and you still fall short of Earth's population. Quite remarkable for a race who have been settling the galaxy for 2,000 years and can breed with literally anything.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 30, 2017 21:26:22 GMT
Three examples: Surrogate commits suicide with child in hand to keep child. Surrogate kills the would be parents again to keep child. Surrogate kidnaps child to keep for themselves. Now I am not a mother nor father -nor would I ever want to be -AsexualityI however know someone who was a surrogate and they were all for it up to the birth. At which point the mother instinct kicked in and they wanted to keep the child. Again, relevance to the topic at hand? The issue simply was "can it be done." Relevance is that though it can be done there can -and many times is fallout with surrogacy. Fallout that can be harsh no matter if of the homogeneous or all others.
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Post by mannyray on Nov 30, 2017 21:36:09 GMT
Again, relevance to the topic at hand? The issue simply was "can it be done." Relevance is that though it can be done there can -and many times is fallout with surrogacy. Fallout that can be harsh no matter if of the homogeneous or all others. again, the simple issue was whether it could be done or not. Whatever triggered you, your point is not relevant.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 30, 2017 21:55:47 GMT
Three examples: Surrogate commits suicide with child in hand to keep child. Surrogate kills the would be parents again to keep child. Surrogate kidnaps child to keep for themselves. Now I am not a mother nor father -nor would I ever want to be -AsexualityI however know someone who was a surrogate and they were all for it up to the birth. At which point the mother instinct kicked in and they wanted to keep the child. This isn't relevant to the thread topic. Whoever keeps the kid, it has still been born; the birthrate hasn't taken a hit. I guess the suicide case would be relevant. Has that ever actually happened?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 30, 2017 23:42:17 GMT
Relevance is that though it can be done there can -and many times is fallout with surrogacy. Fallout that can be harsh no matter if of the homogeneous or all others. again, the simple issue was whether it could be done or not. Whatever triggered you, your point is not relevant. Three examples: Surrogate commits suicide with child in hand to keep child. Surrogate kills the would be parents again to keep child. Surrogate kidnaps child to keep for themselves. Now I am not a mother nor father -nor would I ever want to be -AsexualityI however know someone who was a surrogate and they were all for it up to the birth. At which point the mother instinct kicked in and they wanted to keep the child. This isn't relevant to the thread topic. Whoever keeps the kid, it has still been born; the birthrate hasn't taken a hit. I guess the suicide case would be relevant. Has that ever actually happened? Didn't say it was not possible -just saying that caution needs to be applied for if not it will not matter in the end. Those were three examples - not necessarily possibilities that have occurred but could occur. Surrogacy has greater complications than normal childbirth. -Health complications and the detriment of the surrogate many times leading to death. -Fraud of birth mother or the adoptive parents. -Child/Mother/Womb commercialization. -Psychological health of the surrogate involved -the three examples are of this. And then what good is surrogacy if the one bringing the next generation into existence themselves die in the process? The prior better be less than the latter.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 1, 2017 6:38:57 GMT
What does any of this have to do with the thread? Surrogacy has nothing much to do with species birthrates. The limiting factor isn't sperm.
And what on earth is this bit about?
You seem to be going on some weird crusade here.
But what the hell, I'll play. What are you actually proposing? This is primarily an issue for gay males, of course; females, straight or gay, have no problem reproducing at will.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Dec 1, 2017 6:52:02 GMT
In the MET, humans were far more numerous than any other species population wise, based on codex entries. It was bonkers, and largely down to Earth having nearly double the population of, for example, Thessia. Earth: 11.4 Billion Thessia: 5.5 Billion Palaven: 6.1 Billion Sur'Kesh is the only one that comes close at 10.3 Billion. Adding up all the Asari colonies mentioned in the game and you still fall short of Earth's population. Quite remarkable for a race who have been settling the galaxy for 2,000 years and can breed with literally anything. That is surprising. I guess Asari attempt to control their population.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 1, 2017 19:26:41 GMT
Based on ME3, asari never had a substantial population. So while they technically could have more children it doesn't mean they would. We also don't have any idea how long a pregnancy takes. Salarians, while they can reproduce a lot, also have short life spans, which seems to work against them becoming too numerous. The ones who will obviously dominate the population are krogan, since each clutch can produce a lot of babies (increasing as genophage gets wiped out), they're extremely hardy and have long life spans. There are a few lore sources that make it clear the asari are the most widespread species, likely due to the thousands of years of exploration and growth they have. As someone else posted, the numbers shown in-game suggest humans are the most populous species in the galaxy. Asari are, at best, third.
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Post by sil on Dec 2, 2017 0:10:38 GMT
There are a few lore sources that make it clear the asari are the most widespread species, likely due to the thousands of years of exploration and growth they have. As someone else posted, the numbers shown in-game suggest humans are the most populous species in the galaxy. Asari are, at best, third. We see only a small fraction of the planets that have been colonised, there are many others referenced in the lore. Typically only the star systems that have some relevance to the plot of the games. We don't even see all the clusters ingame, for example, we know the Nemean Abyss, Motan Cluster, Meade Cluster and Andura Sector and the cluster beyond the Kappa Iota Relay aren't in the games but they're in the lore. I believe it's said that 2% of the galaxy has been explored, which is roughly 2 billion star systems. Not all of those are colonised, but there will be more than just the few dozen we see in the games.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 2, 2017 0:18:14 GMT
Stealthfox94 said: mannyray said: Surrogacy was brought up as a valid way to counter the claim that there could be no kids from such relations -makes the relevance. Exactly. How do they procreate? Do they self-inseminate and then regurgitate the child out through their mouths at term? I doubt it. So unless glass jar babies have been perfected then a womb is needed -thus a surrogate woman is needed... or a sex change operation. And what on earth is this bit about? You seem to be going on some weird crusade here. But what the hell, I'll play. What are you actually proposing? Numbers. It all boils down to numbers. Not birthrates. Population numbers -specifically in Andromeda. The Human A.I. has a Limited Number of people to begin with -20,000. If some are solo-genius then they will not produce offspring - naturally. Thus the population reproduction is not being maximized to highest potential so all the following things must occur: 1. All who want population increase -must pair off and increase max population density. 2. For sake of the health of all set maximum birth limit per person to 20. 3. Those who don't want to be involved must be offset by others who will have to have more children. 4. Those who do want to be involved but not able to capitulate must contribute in some other form -DNA, RNA, or genetic material. 5. These who will bare more children more likely to become surrogates if given incentive - much to #4 appeal. 6. If surrogacy is necessary due to the state of wanting being high enough then the health of surrogate both mental and physical is a must. Surrogates must be kept in healthy state...if not... Scenario: A surrogate carrying twins dies before birth and then the loss to the total population is not just minus 1 but a net loss of 2. So if the population is 22,006 with this surrogate included and there is only this ONE surrogate... Then the population would become -if the twins are carried to term: 22,008. Yet if the surrogate dies then the population becomes 22005. Or the race faces decline and in long term extinction if only using surrogacy as means of extending the civilization. My whole point was advisement of caution if the A.I. were to use such methods: Mental and physical health of current surrogates is old west level of care and technology.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 2, 2017 4:41:59 GMT
Of course, the krogan will still be around. They would face decreasing populations.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 3, 2017 20:35:19 GMT
Stealthfox94 said: mannyray said: Surrogacy was brought up as a valid way to counter the claim that there could be no kids from such relations -makes the relevance. But this is just mannyray's poor choice of words introducing confusion. Surrogacy is a legal and social concept, not a medical concept. Legal arrangements around the proposed child have nothing to do with the pregnancy itself. Ummm... birthrate is a number. Point 1 is nonsense. You don't need to pair people off for breeding. If anything, that introduces inefficiencies into the process. Really, if the AI wanted to maximize population growth in Andromeda, they shouldn't have brought any males at all. An all-female crew with sperm banks would have better genetic diversity and double the birthrate. That also takes care of point 4. And point 6 is a bit silly. The health of any prospective mother is a must. Surrogacy is not relevant. The point 6 confusion seems to continue here: What does her being a surrogate have to do with this math? That would be true for any woman bearing twins. You seem to be having some sort of paranoid fantasy about surrogacy being dangerous, but it's not clear what the substance of the fantasy is.
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