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Post by vertigomez on Dec 17, 2017 17:59:29 GMT
I was answering a thread on reddit and it got me wondering... how much of Thedas (or the world outside of Thedas, however you want to call it) is there, and how much are we liable to see? Assuming Dragon Age remains a lucrative franchise and the devs want to continue and blah blah blah. From what I can tell, the current plot has stayed pretty consistent - the mystery of the Blight, lyrium, the ancient elves, etc. But just because THAT plot may be resolved in the future, doesn't mean there's no room for more games set in this universe. Thedas as we know it is one tiny chunk of a map. What are "the Sunless Lands" to the south and why are the Chasind the only ones who've explored them? The Qunari had another homeland before Par Vollen. Where was it? What drove them out? Who were the human inhabitants of Par Vollen before the Qunari arrived - what of those ancient pyramids they built, that appear to have some religious or mystical significance? WoT2 mentions seafaring dwarves from the east, and iirc Josephine has always wanted to explore what's beyond the Amaranthine Ocean. Why do people who cross into the Amaranth disappear or go crazy? Who are the Scaled Ones? Who are the Fex? How many above-ground thaigs have there been, really? There are dwarven ruins in Par Vollen. Who are the Executors, Those Across the Sea? Does anyone inhabit Viridis to the west? Who were the Voshai from across the Volca Sea, and why are they so interested in lyrium? Do they just not have it where they come from? What does that mean for the whole Titans / lyrium / blood debacle? Who the hell are the people of Par Ladi and why are they so rich and why are their defenses so good? There is SO MUCH we don't know about this setting that won't be solved with, "Solas did it." Map of known Thedas, for convenience: edit: having trouble finding a nice big clear map. If anyone has a link... 👀
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 18, 2017 6:32:19 GMT
Credit where credit is due, they've dangled quite a number of interesting mysteries in DA. Pouring over their lore, I've had the same questions. I'm sure we'll touch on at least some of those mysteries. For example, I'd be surprised if we didn't see the Scaled Ones at some point, as well as learning more about the Executers. But as there's still so much to explore on the map, I'd say the odds of actually exploring beyond it (in a realistic sense) are... pretty low. I'd love to see the franchise carry on to to the point where it would make sense to venture out beyond the map though. Never say never!
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Post by vit246 on Dec 18, 2017 7:12:29 GMT
To the west is the Further East of Essos. Along the way is Asshai, Yi Ti, Slaver's Bay, Valyria, the Free Cities, and finally Westeros.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 18, 2017 9:15:17 GMT
There are no Fex. They only exist as part of a madman’s riddle.
The Scaled Ones were krogan. It was an elaborate joke.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 18, 2017 11:18:20 GMT
^ well, that's plausible. We did see a trophy krogan head at the winter palace.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 18, 2017 12:16:50 GMT
I've always been a bit bothered how the map is kinda like upside down, with south being like northern europe and north being the more southern countries. It's in the southern hemisphere... that's how things work in that half of the world.
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Post by Mresa on Dec 18, 2017 12:35:35 GMT
I've always been a bit bothered how the map is kinda like upside down, with south being like northern europe and north being the more southern countries. It's in the southern hemisphere... that's how things work in that half of the world. Yes I thought about it but still, if we compare the vegetion of the most southern America, it's still more tropical than in north America. But I probably overthink this too much, draw too much comparison to real world.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 18, 2017 14:47:44 GMT
It's in the southern hemisphere... that's how things work in that half of the world. Yes I thought about it but still, if we compare the vegetion of the most southern America, it's still more tropical than in north America. But I probably overthink this too much, draw too much comparison to real world. Our planet happens to be top heavy as far as land goes. Doesnt have to be that way for every planet. I dont know what the climate is like in Argentina, but it seems to be further north than, say, Canada is south. Also oceans tend to make the coasts of continents warmer. There isnt as much 'inland' in the southern tip of South America. Visual aid: I'd like to know whether the other off map land masses have blights and so on, or is that phenomenon concentrated on our mapped region. There would probably be no deep roads under the entire planet. The Dwarven empire wasnt that big. The cynic in me says the writers only planned out the story as if the mapped part is the only part that exists.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 18, 2017 15:16:31 GMT
Here is what David Gaider had to say about it. (Emphasis mine.) I think expecting anything more is putting the cart before the horse. We've only experienced a small part of the actual continent, with many more regions, climates, people and cultures yet to explore. They could be on Dragon Age X before it's time to get to the lands beyond the continent we're familiar with.
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Post by Sah291 on Dec 18, 2017 15:23:23 GMT
Assuming Thedas is earth like, then yeah I would guess the planet is probably much bigger, with whole other continents out there with civilizations...Thedas is just one continent in the southern hemisphere...but technology is limited enough for our local Thedosians that they haven't explored it, don't have adequate maps, etc.
It'll be interesting to find out how much the ancient elves and Tevinter explored and knew about the world though, since they seemed to have some knowledge of astronomy, and the elves had the Eluvian network. I thought that was one of the big hints in the introduction of the Astrariums. So I think there would be a high probability of elves living on other continents, or remote parts of Thedas, at the the very least. If they were able to sail to other regions, they would have had a means to travel back and forth relatively easily, with the Eluvians. They would have lost contact when the Empire fell, and the Eluvians went dormant. With the Eluvian network restored, it's possible we could end up on some really remote parts of Thedas as early as DA4.
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Post by tacsear on Dec 18, 2017 16:27:31 GMT
THEDAS IS FLAT!!!
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Post by Catilina on Dec 18, 2017 16:43:37 GMT
Of course it is, otherwise the people would fall into the space! Thus, only the dwarves are in big danger to falling into the sky.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 18, 2017 16:48:32 GMT
^ well, that's plausible. We did see a trophy krogan head at the winter palace. That, and there’s a krogan head next to the last Chronicles of a Forgotten War codex. My theory is that a small group of krogan accidentally crossed through an interdimensional portal and ended up in Thedas. Over the centuries, they were killed off in conflicts with the native Theodosians, as they were mistaken for beasts or invaders.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 18, 2017 22:14:11 GMT
^ well, that's plausible. We did see a trophy krogan head at the winter palace. That, and there’s a krogan head next to the last Chronicles of a Forgotten War codex. My theory is that a small group of krogan accidentally crossed through an interdimensional portal and ended up in Thedas. Over the centuries, they were killed off in conflicts with the native Theodosians, as they were mistaken for beasts or invaders. *dons tin foil hat* The Krogan drove the Qunari from their original homeland. The qunari are trying to conquer Thedas because they know it'll take an army the size of a continent to defeat the Krogan.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 18, 2017 22:30:05 GMT
Here is what David Gaider had to say about it. (Emphasis mine.) I think expecting anything more is putting the cart before the horse. We've only experienced a small part of the actual continent, with many more regions, climates, people and cultures yet to explore. They could be on Dragon Age X before it's time to get to the lands beyond the continent we're familiar with. Ooh, thanks for that quote. I don't think we necessarily have to explore every inch of Thedas as we know it before we get more than a glimpse of other realms, though... it'd be interesting if the Big Bad of another game (possibly the final game, the end of the Dragon Age and the start of a new age?) was from across the sea. The last time this happened was with the Qunari, and we still don't know what drove them out. The Qunari were the great unknown, the "scary foreigners" with a bizarre philosophy that no one understood. It would be so cool if we got to experience that sense of fear and awe first-hand. Honestly, my brain is thinking Thanos to Solas's Loki. Like, we think we know who the biggest fish is because it's within our experience, he's in our legends, people are familiar with the Veil even if they don't understand its hows and whys. But we don't see the big picture. Not that that will necessarily happen or even that it should, I just think it'd be interesting. And I think there's a reason there were so many of these tidbits in Inquisition and in WoT2. Assuming Thedas is earth like, then yeah I would guess the planet is probably much bigger, with whole other continents out there with civilizations...Thedas is just one continent in the southern hemisphere...but technology is limited enough for our local Thedosians that they haven't explored it, don't have adequate maps, etc. It'll be interesting to find out how much the ancient elves and Tevinter explored and knew about the world though, since they seemed to have some knowledge of astronomy, and the elves had the Eluvian network. I thought that was one of the big hints in the introduction of the Astrariums. So I think there would be a high probability of elves living on other continents, or remote parts of Thedas, at the the very least. If they were able to sail to other regions, they would have had a means to travel back and forth relatively easily, with the Eluvians. They would have lost contact when the Empire fell, and the Eluvians went dormant. With the Eluvian network restored, it's possible we could end up on some really remote parts of Thedas as early as DA4. Yes! This is so cool. There could be the elven equivalent of Kal-Sharok out there, and no one would know about it. And speaking of astronomy... those human-built pyramids on Par Vollen are theorized to have some astronomical significance. They're not tombs. Makes me wonder. I do wonder how far the Eluvian network really spreads, though. I assume they'd only be where the elves have gone, but who knows? Maybe Eluvian tech was part of the natural world once, and there are portals in pools of water or something.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 18, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
Yes I thought about it but still, if we compare the vegetion of the most southern America, it's still more tropical than in north America. But I probably overthink this too much, draw too much comparison to real world. Our planet happens to be top heavy as far as land goes. Doesnt have to be that way for every planet. I dont know what the climate is like in Argentina, but it seems to be further north than, say, Canada is south. Also oceans tend to make the coasts of continents warmer. There isnt as much 'inland' in the southern tip of South America. Visual aid: I'd like to know whether the other off map land masses have blights and so on, or is that phenomenon concentrated on our mapped region. There would probably be no deep roads under the entire planet. The Dwarven empire wasnt that big. The cynic in me says the writers only planned out the story as if the mapped part is the only part that exists. I wonder about that, too. If lyrium is alive, if it's the blood of the Titans and the blood of the world, does that mean there have been other Blights that sprung up far away? Do the Titans only exist in this corner of the world, and the rest of the earth is just... earth? I don't doubt that the writers conceived Thedas as it is, but I'm willing to bet they've given some thought to what else is out there and what that means for their cosmology.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 18, 2017 22:48:45 GMT
That, and there’s a krogan head next to the last Chronicles of a Forgotten War codex. My theory is that a small group of krogan accidentally crossed through an interdimensional portal and ended up in Thedas. Over the centuries, they were killed off in conflicts with the native Theodosians, as they were mistaken for beasts or invaders. *dons tin foil hat* The Krogan drove the Qunari from their original homeland. The qunari are trying to conquer Thedas because they know it'll take an army the size of a continent to defeat the Krogan. Heh. Actually, I have a theory that the qunari are connected to the Old Gods, who transformed the qunari to resemble them. But when the qunari rejected their gods, they did something that forced the qunari to flee their homeland. This is based on the reverence that qunari have for dragons and the comments made by Kieran, Corypheus and the mosaic "Freed Are Slaves," which depicts seven magisters lording it over the qunari. (What if, instead of seven magisters, they were seven Old Gods?)
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Post by warden on Dec 18, 2017 22:49:33 GMT
Nothing interesting.
You are just overthinking because you are bored and you want to discuss about something, plain and simple. And that, my friend it's pretty licit to do.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 18, 2017 22:56:10 GMT
*dons tin foil hat* The Krogan drove the Qunari from their original homeland. The qunari are trying to conquer Thedas because they know it'll take an army the size of a continent to defeat the Krogan. Heh. Actually, I have a theory that the qunari are connected to the Old Gods, who transformed the qunari to resemble them. But when the qunari rejected their gods, they did something that forced the qunari to flee their homeland. This is based on the reverence that qunari have for dragons and the comments made by Kieran, Corypheus and the mosaic "Freed Are Slaves," which depicts seven magisters lording it over the qunari. (What if, instead of seven magisters, they were seven Old Gods?) I like this idea. And since we have all these people transforming into dragons, it wouldn't be so weird for seven magisters to have the same ability. Or vice versa. Like, they're dragons first but they took the shape of humans. Nothing interesting. You are just overthinking because you are bored and you want to discuss about something, plain and simple. And that, my friend it's pretty licit to do. I'm not bored, bro, I'm excited.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 19, 2017 4:55:50 GMT
*dons tin foil hat* The Krogan drove the Qunari from their original homeland. The qunari are trying to conquer Thedas because they know it'll take an army the size of a continent to defeat the Krogan. Heh. Actually, I have a theory that the qunari are connected to the Old Gods, who transformed the qunari to resemble them. But when the qunari rejected their gods, they did something that forced the qunari to flee their homeland. This is based on the reverence that qunari have for dragons and the comments made by Kieran, Corypheus and the mosaic "Freed Are Slaves," which depicts seven magisters lording it over the qunari. (What if, instead of seven magisters, they were seven Old Gods?) Sorry for quoting you again, but I remembered this codex entry. Given that it's ancient elven writing, it probably has to do with elves. But it made me think of your theory here. "His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine."
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 19, 2017 5:46:20 GMT
Sorry, you misunderstood me, vertigomez. What I meant was that the mosaic Freed Are Slaves depicts seven magisters commanding qunari slaves, but Gatsi’s notes indicate that the mosaic was altered; seven other figures preceded the magisters in the carving. My theory is that those were the Old Gods.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 19, 2017 19:50:59 GMT
There were a lot of codices which then made it into WoT2 about the lands beyond the map as we know Thedas. In each case it would seem there is a land beyond the sea and the reason we don't know more about them is that ships exploring there tended not to return.
To the east of the Amaranthine Ocean is said to be the "untouched verdant land" dubbed Amaranth. It is said to be uninhabited by any civilised race or even any creature larger than a bird. After the initial "discovery" though further expeditions to explore it did not return.
To the west of the Volca Sea were traders called the Voshai, who seemed obsessed with obtaining lyrium by trade and whose most important members seemed to be dwarves. Then they stopped coming so some Tevinter merchants mounted expedition to try and re-establish contact but they didn't return. Finally the Voshai resumed trade after many years, reporting a massive cataclysm in their homeland.
To the north of Seheron and Par Vollen within the Boeric Ocean are the rest of the Boeric Islands, including the mystical Par Ladi, whose residents appear fabulously wealthy but are uninterested in the outside world and reject any approaches, often with violence. It is believed they may protect their sanctuary with magic.
Finally to the south is a sea of ice and then the "sunless lands" which approximate to Antarctica.
So there is potential for extensive exploration in any direction in the future if the franchise lasts that long. At the very least I think they should eventually reveal exactly where the Neromenians and Qunari came from since both groups came from "over the sea" and initially landed in the north of Thedas.
However, the information contained in Trespasser raises an interesting point. Did Solas raising the Veil only affect the area that we know as Thedas or the entire world? If the former, why was this? If the latter, did it have the same catastrophic outcome for the people in those places?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 19, 2017 19:59:32 GMT
Yes I thought about it but still, if we compare the vegetion of the most southern America, it's still more tropical than in north America. But I probably overthink this too much, draw too much comparison to real world. You are only really thinking about Brazil and the northern countries in South America when it comes to tropical vegetation. There is a desert landscape that runs down the length of the south-western side and much of Argentina is more temperate in climate. The southern tip of the continent is bleak and cold. So if you widened the area of the continent the climate and vegetation would very much match that of Thedas. However, the designers seem often to forget this and so we got lush sub-tropical looking vegetation in the Arbor Wilds and Frostback Basin, even though both equate to regions not far from the Artic Circle in our own world. The original design for Ferelden in DAO got it just about right for the Korcari Wilds and the area around Ostagar.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 20, 2017 0:16:49 GMT
However, the designers seem often to forget this and so we got lush sub-tropical looking vegetation in the Arbor Wilds and Frostback Basin, even though both equate to regions not far from the Artic Circle in our own world. The original design for Ferelden in DAO got it just about right for the Korcari Wilds and the area around Ostagar. The Arbor Wilds and the Frostback Basin appear to be temperate rainforests. Lots of lush vegitation and colourful birds but also cold and wet penty of the time.
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