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Post by Sartoz on Jan 5, 2018 17:31:43 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Can Bio + Anthem solve this problem?
From a SWBF2 player (from a post in REDDIT).
"I really love playing this game, its a lot of fun... when the teams are balanced, which is almost never. Every game is just a slaughter-fest for one of the sides, 9/10 games on GA and HvV end this way. It isn't fun when the enemy team is mindless and senseless to what's happening, but it also isn't fun when your team is mindlessly doing nothing.
- HvV is undeniably the worst offender. I am level level 15-20+ on most heroes and villains, but i consistently come up against enemy players that are level 0, or 1. I die only a couple times a game, ALWAYS place first on the leader board, and I'm rank 50. Which makes it extremely obvious (at least to me) that I'm a better player than most. Why am I still getting matched up with players that are not good at all? Where is the skill based match making? Or matching players based on card/hero/character ranks? I have easily played 100's of HvV games, STOP matchmaking me with players that are literally just starting. What's worse is this happens to both teams; usually I can carry my team when down a player, but not every time. I'm sick of terrible team mates, and terrible enemies. GIVE me a challenge, and make it a FAIR fight for all!
- GA; the epitome of mindless robots. I can't recall the amount of times I've seen people standing in front of a bomb, and not defusing it, or not killing the enemy holding square on the objective. Again, why am I getting matched with mindless morons? I'm legitimately confused. I'm rank 25+ on the 4 infantry classes, but if someone manages to kill me, they are level 0 or around that. Which leads me to believe my team is also like that; inexperienced, unknowing of whats happening around them, etc.
Make the game fair and fun for everyone DICE, match players of equal skill."
Now, if Anthem only has PvE, it may not be an issue. However, a ten year "game-as-a-service" with no PvP?. makes no sense. Ergo, can Bio prevent unbalanced teams when match making? The answer is a conditional yes and no. Why, you ask? ... because if there are not enough skilled players to make balanced teams then you will get unbalanced teams. And, if PvP is a core game mechanic .... the match making algorithm will just grab whoever is available going for balance if possible.
On the other hand, if 4-man co-op is the core mechanic that's a lot of MP a.k.a ME3MP, MEAMP.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 7, 2018 10:37:31 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Can Bio + Anthem solve this problem?
From a SWBF2 player (from a post in REDDIT).
"I really love playing this game, its a lot of fun... when the teams are balanced, which is almost never. Every game is just a slaughter-fest for one of the sides, 9/10 games on GA and HvV end this way. It isn't fun when the enemy team is mindless and senseless to what's happening, but it also isn't fun when your team is mindlessly doing nothing.
- HvV is undeniably the worst offender. I am level level 15-20+ on most heroes and villains, but i consistently come up against enemy players that are level 0, or 1. I die only a couple times a game, ALWAYS place first on the leader board, and I'm rank 50. Which makes it extremely obvious (at least to me) that I'm a better player than most. Why am I still getting matched up with players that are not good at all? Where is the skill based match making? Or matching players based on card/hero/character ranks? I have easily played 100's of HvV games, STOP matchmaking me with players that are literally just starting. What's worse is this happens to both teams; usually I can carry my team when down a player, but not every time. I'm sick of terrible team mates, and terrible enemies. GIVE me a challenge, and make it a FAIR fight for all!
- GA; the epitome of mindless robots. I can't recall the amount of times I've seen people standing in front of a bomb, and not defusing it, or not killing the enemy holding square on the objective. Again, why am I getting matched with mindless morons? I'm legitimately confused. I'm rank 25+ on the 4 infantry classes, but if someone manages to kill me, they are level 0 or around that. Which leads me to believe my team is also like that; inexperienced, unknowing of whats happening around them, etc.
Make the game fair and fun for everyone DICE, match players of equal skill."
Now, if Anthem only has PvE, it may not be an issue. However, a ten year "game-as-a-service" with no PvP?. makes no sense. Ergo, can Bio prevent unbalanced teams when match making? The answer is a conditional yes and no. Why, you ask? ... because if there are not enough skilled players to make balanced teams then you will get unbalanced teams. And, if PvP is a core game mechanic .... the match making algorithm will just grab whoever is available going for balance if possible.
On the other hand, if 4-man co-op is the core mechanic that's a lot of MP a.k.a ME3MP, MEAMP.
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Getting crushed means better "buy a lootbox" chance. It's so deeply in the system that the removal of the looty box doesn't help. Because implementing a fucking ranked matchmaking is counter productive to selling the mtx in the first place.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 7, 2018 10:41:31 GMT
"I have great idea! With people hating loot boxes so much - why don't we just rename them to story episodes and sell them in random containers, so even the SP idiots will have to buy them!"
"Nice, but what about their number - how many story pieces would we need to keep in inventory?!"
"Here's the thing: Once the story has been unlocked, duplicates that drop will be filled with fanart we rip from deviantart and such!"
"Get to work!"
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Post by Wulfram on Jan 7, 2018 15:42:08 GMT
I think it'll be good, but I'm not sure it'll be the sort of game I like playing.
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Post by xochipilli on Jan 8, 2018 2:39:11 GMT
I'm mostly pessimistic. BioWare's record when it comes to telling a quality story with quality characters within an open world, exploration heavy game design is not good. I'm not overjoyed about so many years of BioWare development time for something that looks very MMOish and like a shooter with co-op elements, an area with already a lot to choose from. I also fear their issues with designing within an online multiplayer space in Frostbite, which are so evident in DAIMP and MEAMP, will not be resolved for Anthem.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 8, 2018 4:23:34 GMT
all i can say is that... i feel like the bioware i grew up with is long dead and has finally been tossed into a burning pyre. frankly i was using death figuratively, though it's kind of true as most of the old guard has left bioware by this point, IIRC. and as far as i can tell quality started taking hits with dragon age 2 & it just went slowly but surely downhill from then on. now, don't get me wrong i still loved that game, though i can still see the holes that were in it the textures & cut & paste level design for instance.
at this point i actually have very little faith in bioware/ea right now, though i can still wish for good games, i just don't think i'll see many, especially from a AAA outfit. and i'm still not thrilled they dropped the ball with MEA in favor of this. i just hope that somehow... somehow, against the odds anthem will be worth throwing mass effect under a bus for.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 8, 2018 7:27:48 GMT
"I have great idea! With people hating loot boxes so much - why don't we just rename them to story episodes and sell them in random containers, so even the SP idiots will have to buy them!""Nice, but what about their number - how many story pieces would we need to keep in inventory?!" "Here's the thing: Once the story has been unlocked, duplicates that drop will be filled with fanart we rip from deviantart and such!""Get to work!" Actually, after the story drops the first time, you can rank up the story 19 more times (to XX) so you can access different responses or choices.
How evil would that be? The standard ending is something á la Mass effect 3, but If you buy the lootboxes and rank up the story, you get a beautifully written ending!
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 8, 2018 10:17:43 GMT
"I have great idea! With people hating loot boxes so much - why don't we just rename them to story episodes and sell them in random containers, so even the SP idiots will have to buy them!""Nice, but what about their number - how many story pieces would we need to keep in inventory?!" "Here's the thing: Once the story has been unlocked, duplicates that drop will be filled with fanart we rip from deviantart and such!""Get to work!" Actually, after the story drops the first time, you can rank up the story 19 more times (to XX) so you can access different responses or choices.
How evil would that be? The standard ending is something á la Mass effect 3, but If you buy the lootboxes and rank up the story, you get a beautifully written ending!
giving darth sidious a run for his money now, are we?
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 8, 2018 10:36:49 GMT
Actually, after the story drops the first time, you can rank up the story 19 more times (to XX) so you can access different responses or choices.
How evil would that be? The standard ending is something á la Mass effect 3, but If you buy the lootboxes and rank up the story, you get a beautifully written ending!
giving darth sidious a run for his money now, are we? Think I should send EA my resume?
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 8, 2018 11:15:12 GMT
giving darth sidious a run for his money now, are we? Think I should send EA my resume? just beware that force lightning.
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Post by Raga on Jan 8, 2018 16:08:31 GMT
My prediction: It will probably be "meh" in quality and yet somehow succeed in getting enough people to dump enough money into crappy microtransactions that EA will double down on them even harder.
My hope: The game will be outrageously terrible, which seems to be only way to get people to not spend hundreds of bucks on shitty multiplayer.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jan 8, 2018 19:09:22 GMT
I'm slightly optimistic, I mean it's a Bioware game so that's a plus. No idea if I'll play it or not. Depends solely on the SP aspect and gameplay footage.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 12, 2018 15:07:34 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Anthem, as a D2 wannabe, may introduce:
(1) Seasonal content = free This includes but is not limited to: Banners, Guilds, Rewards, weekly/monthly events, new enemies and maps for the Open World.
(2) Purchasable content. This can include Gear, Forts, Battle Maps, new Stories, Cosmetics and Characters, as an example. Would I feel left outside if I can see the new stuff but was unavailable because I did not buy? If there is enough content in (1), I'd say no.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 12, 2018 15:30:20 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Anthem, as a D2 wannabe, may introduce:
(1) Seasonal content = free This includes but is not limited to: Banners, Guilds, Rewards, weekly/monthly events, new enemies and maps for the Open World.
(2) Purchasable content. This can include Gear, Forts, Battle Maps, new Stories, Cosmetics and Characters, as an example. Would I feel left outside if I can see the new stuff but was unavailable because I did not buy? If there is enough content in (1), I'd say no.
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Is the latter different than what Bioware has been doing for years? They build new content and sell it.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 12, 2018 18:07:07 GMT
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Anthem, as a D2 wannabe, may introduce:
(1) Seasonal content = free This includes but is not limited to: Banners, Guilds, Rewards, weekly/monthly events, new enemies and maps for the Open World.
(2) Purchasable content. This can include Gear, Forts, Battle Maps, new Stories, Cosmetics and Characters, as an example. Would I feel left outside if I can see the new stuff but was unavailable because I did not buy? If there is enough content in (1), I'd say no.
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Is the latter different than what Bioware has been doing for years? They build new content and sell it. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Yes, because I'm not referring to the standard DLC of past Bio SP games.
This is a ten year game-as-a-service model. I'd expect EA to sell the game for about $80. I also see it, at this time, as mostly a MP game. New content is expected to be made available but I doubt it will be a DLC-SP type.... more like MEAMP... content in dribs and drabs. This may fracture the player base unless Bio is very careful. D2 seems to be suffering from such added content.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 12, 2018 18:32:58 GMT
Is the latter different than what Bioware has been doing for years? They build new content and sell it. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Yes, because I'm not referring to the standard DLC of past Bio SP games.
This is a ten year game-as-a-service model. I'd expect EA to sell the game for about $80. I also see it, at this time, as mostly a MP game. New content is expected to be made available but I doubt it will be a DLC-SP type.... more like MEAMP... content in dribs and drabs. This may fracture the player base unless Bio is very careful. D2 seems to be suffering from such added content.
🌸 Even D2 offers singleplayer DLC and they’ve promised more substantial content after receiving backlash for the meager first expansion. So you’re assumptions here come across less as reasoned and more as leaping to the worst possible scenario just because
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 12, 2018 19:27:36 GMT
Is the latter different than what Bioware has been doing for years? They build new content and sell it. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Yes, because I'm not referring to the standard DLC of past Bio SP games.
This is a ten year game-as-a-service model. I'd expect EA to sell the game for about $80. I also see it, at this time, as mostly a MP game. New content is expected to be made available but I doubt it will be a DLC-SP type.... more like MEAMP... content in dribs and drabs. This may fracture the player base unless Bio is very careful. D2 seems to be suffering from such added content.
🌸 It's a new IP - no way with a new IP are they going to be the first to raise the basic standard price of $60 - that would screw them over more than having pay to win MTXs. They may have more versions of the game at different price points (deluxe and collecters eddition etc.) but that's pretty standard for new AAA titles at the moment. The only time we might see a price rise is the next generation and even then I wouldn't be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 19:32:52 GMT
I liked Destiny 2. That but better would be good. Time to walk on broken glass.
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Post by bizantura on Jan 13, 2018 1:55:55 GMT
Anthem will be the nail in Bioware's coffin. The next RIP on EA's list. Making story-driven RPG's is not the same as creating loot box infested play to win online fodder. I do fear that the Western game multinationals will produce nothing else but play to win online fodder.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 13, 2018 2:27:16 GMT
Remains to be seen what the game will be like. Seems premature to write it off when we've only seen 7 minutes (and those 7 minutes were well received).
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 13, 2018 6:06:55 GMT
i'm still kind of holding a grudge over my belief that andromeda suffered because anthem got the resources andromeda needed to thrive, instead we got "meh". so, from the get go... anthem has to make up for a completely other game before breaking even in my mind, fair or not, that's how i feel. now, if anthem is a decent game and microtransactions aren't annoying (which i doubt on both counts) i'll give it a shot. though it still has a lot to answer for before i even start playing it. yes, i know i'm being unreasonable... but, i have a right to be... right?
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Post by bizantura on Jan 13, 2018 14:39:47 GMT
Remains to be seen what the game will be like. Seems premature to write it off when we've only seen 7 minutes (and those 7 minutes were well received). I admire your optimism. For Bioware itself I hope Anthem will be a succes. Personally, I do not care since it is not a game a would buy/play anyway. It seems the games I like to play Bioware isn't making anymore nor much by other developers. And the RPG's the indies make is not my cup of tea either. Seems a long dry spell is coming forth.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 13, 2018 16:07:40 GMT
Personally, I do not care since it is not a game a would buy/play anyway. That's fair enough, game fashions evolve.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 15, 2018 18:19:30 GMT
Remains to be seen what the game will be like. Seems premature to write it off when we've only seen 7 minutes (and those 7 minutes were well received). I admire your optimism. For Bioware itself I hope Anthem will be a succes. Personally, I do not care since it is not a game a would buy/play anyway. It seems the games I like to play Bioware isn't making anymore nor much by other developers. And the RPG's the indies make is not my cup of tea either. Seems a long dry spell is coming forth. -(_ANTHEM_)-
There are many role playing games coming out in 2018. Some look awesome (from trailers).
Then again, I sometime go back and play Diablo, Dungeon Siege, RTS games and recently, I re-installed an old favourite of mine from the DOS days... Search for the Stars. I run FREEDOS1.2 NET as a virtual machine under Oracle's Virtualbox.
RFST, imo, was a prelude to the 4x space strategy games such as Galactic Civilizations, Alpha Centauri, MOO, Imperium Galactica 2... etc.
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Post by vhiran on Jan 18, 2018 4:17:39 GMT
It'll be good
IF there's one thing Bioware does right
it's the first installment of a new IP.
Every fucking time they have hit a grand slam.
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